More evidence of liberal media bias

Taggart

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?The President and I continued to talk, by the way, after the interview....And I said, ?Will you call for tax increases, in fact, if that?s required?? And he said there won?t have to be tax increases, that he believes that it?s very important not to throw a curve to the economy at this particular moment.?
? ABC?s Diane Sawyer following a live interview with President Bush on Good Morning America, September 1.

?Just before we went on the air, Diane and Robin, I asked her [Hillary Clinton] ? given the fact that it?s going to cost so much for recovery and with what we?re spending in Iraq ? whether we?re not going to have to raise taxes.?
? ABC?s Charles Gibson following an interview with Senator Clinton, September 7 Good Morning America.

?Are you going to maintain that we can pay for this, we can pay for the war in Iraq, and we can pay for the rising healthcare costs in this country without raising taxes? These are astronomical dollars we?re talking about that will cost the federal treasury.?
? ABC?s Charles Gibson to White House counselor Dan Bartlett on Good Morning America, September 15.

?The last thing in the world that George W. Bush wants to do is raise taxes, but the amount of money that we?re talking about here ? we?re talking about many, many, many tens of billions of dollars ? can that be done without raising taxes??
? ABC?s Ted Koppel to George Stephanopoulos during live coverage following Bush?s September 15 speech.

George Stephanopoulos: ?You say roll back the tax cuts for the wealthy. He [President Bush] says no tax increase of any kind. We?re spending $5 billion a month in Iraq, probably $200 billion on Katrina. Something?s got to give.?
Former President Bill Clinton: ?Well, that?s what I think.?
? ABC?s This Week, September 18.

NPR?s Nina Totenberg: ?I was very happy to see him take responsibility and to not pretend that the buck stops someplace else. But it would have been a great opportunity to say, ?Look, I?m for tax cuts, but we need a Katrina tax, we need to really pay, to do this and to pay for it.??
Moderator Gordon Peterson: ?You want more taxes.?
Totenberg: ?I want more taxes, yes.?
? Inside Washington, September 17.



Why can't the media ask 'With our commitments in Iraq and the aftermath of Katrina, doesn't this mean there will have to be major cost cutting in the federal budget?' Instead they think that raising taxes is the key to covering the costs. If they were unbiased they would ask if raising taxes and/or cutting federal programs was the correct action. Instead the liberal media imply that they want tax hikes.

The majority of Americans think higher taxes are wrong. Even liberals know this! Just look at the way they frame the idea that GWB's tax cuts should be withdrawn. They say 'repeal the tax cuts.' They don't say 'raise taxes!' If they said 'raise taxes' their political future would be very much in doubt because only hard-line liberals think raising taxes is a good thing. They are, in fact, in favor of raising taxes, but try to spin their way out of it.
 

Engineer

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With figures like Delay saying that the budget is already fat free and others saying that the most that they could squeeze out of the budget would be $20 billion, I guess it's either:

A: Raise taxes

B: Borrow from foreign countries, etc.

I guess I hate the deficit enough to say A. Actually, I've written my Senators and Reps begging to cut spending but they respond with a form letter "I always keep an eye on spending and waste" type of response! :roll:

I understand that "cutting" is better, but can you get "EITHER" side to do it? NO.

At what point does the deficit become so large that both sides have no choice but to raise taxes?
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: Taggart
?The President and I continued to talk, by the way, after the interview....And I said, ?Will you call for tax increases, in fact, if that?s required?? And he said there won?t have to be tax increases, that he believes that it?s very important not to throw a curve to the economy at this particular moment.?
? ABC?s Diane Sawyer following a live interview with President Bush on Good Morning America, September 1.

And a response from a different question from the same interview:

DIANE SAWYER, HOST, GOOD MORNING AMERICA: Some people have said that the oil companies themselves should simply forfeit some of their profits in this time of national crisis. A conservative commentator, a popular one called last night for a 20 percent reduction in the profits. Do you call on.

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: What I'd like to see is corporate America make sure that they contribute to helping these victims, that there be an outpouring of contributions to -- for the relief efforts.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

No, the big contribution would be if the oil companies would give up 20 percent of their profits. They'd still make a gazillion dollars. So obviously the president didn't answer Ms. Sawyer's question.

Can you guess the "raving liberal" who made this response? While I'm not too aware of her politics as a whole, I can guess Diane Sawyers leanings; however, considering the deficits, the hurricanes and the occupation of Iraq, it's a fairly understandable question - regardless of politic affiliation. (Unless you don't understand basic economics)
 

JustAnAverageGuy

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I don't see how that demonstrates liberial bias. The questions they asked could have easily been followed up by "Then what programs do you plan to cut expendatures on?"
 

Taggart

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Originally posted by: Strk

And a response from a different question from the same interview:

DIANE SAWYER, HOST, GOOD MORNING AMERICA: Some people have said that the oil companies themselves should simply forfeit some of their profits in this time of national crisis. A conservative commentator, a popular one called last night for a 20 percent reduction in the profits. Do you call on.

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: What I'd like to see is corporate America make sure that they contribute to helping these victims, that there be an outpouring of contributions to -- for the relief efforts.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

No, the big contribution would be if the oil companies would give up 20 percent of their profits. They'd still make a gazillion dollars. So obviously the president didn't answer Ms. Sawyer's question.

Can you guess the "raving liberal" who made this response?

She's referring to Bill O'Reilly. He's a lot of things (including arrogant;)), but on certain issues he's certainly not a conservative. That call for giving up profits falls into the more left-leaning things he promotes. So yes, Diane Sawyer asking the President if oil companies should just give up profits still shows her promoting liberal ideals.
 

Taggart

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Originally posted by: Engineer
With figures like Delay saying that the budget is already fat free and others saying that the most that they could squeeze out of the budget would be $20 billion, I guess it's either:

A: Raise taxes

B: Borrow from foreign countries, etc.

I guess I hate the deficit enough to say A. Actually, I've written my Senators and Reps begging to cut spending but they respond with a form letter "I always keep an eye on spending and waste" type of response! :roll:

I understand that "cutting" is better, but can you get "EITHER" side to do it? NO.

At what point does the deficit become so large that both sides have no choice but to raise taxes?

Well, IMHO opinion higher taxes are not the answer, and never will be. We have to push harder for budget cuts.
 

Taggart

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Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
I don't see how that demonstrates liberial bias. The questions they asked could have easily been followed up by "Then what programs do you plan to cut expendatures on?"

That's my point, they just assume that raising taxes is the only answer.
 

Jhhnn

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Go ahead, taggart, tell us all about how the answer is cutting spending, when 1/3 of all non-SS expenditures are done on borrowed money...

Tell us about how such drastic cuts won't hit the economy like a torpedo to the powder magazine, or how the politicians responsible could survive in office...

Where ya gonna cut? Pull out of Iraq? Noooo. other Military? Nooooo. Senior drug pharma pork? noooo. DHS? noooo... Red State farm subsidies and highway pork? Heavens noooo...

Faced with a strong dose of fiscal reality, rightwing fanbois act like they've been stunned with a blow to the head... It's your heroes who have raised spending to uprecedented levels, even as they parade in their smaller govt rhetoric...

Suffering from a bit of cognitive dissonance? Gee, I can't imagine why... maybe you need to look at the underlying belief structure that you're using...
 

Taggart

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
how the politicians responsible could survive in office...

The same would be true for ANY politician if they called for tax increases, don't kid yourself.
 

JustAnAverageGuy

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Originally posted by: Taggart
Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
I don't see how that demonstrates liberial bias. The questions they asked could have easily been followed up by "Then what programs do you plan to cut expendatures on?"

That's my point, they just assume that raising taxes is the only answer.

That's my point. How do you know that that ISN'T the next question they asked?
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: Taggart

She's referring to Bill O'Reilly. He's a lot of things (including arrogant;)), but on certain issues he's certainly not a conservative. That call for giving up profits falls into the more left-leaning things he promotes. So yes, Diane Sawyer asking the President if oil companies should just give up profits still shows her promoting liberal ideals.

Except none of your questions really show a left-leaning bias. They're all questions based on "How on earth do you plan on sustaining all of this and still keep the tax cuts?" Are those left leaning questions? Not really. I think anyone who has a little concern over their money in the future would like to know how he plans to spend so much money and keep taxes cuts.

Here is why I can't stand these political hacks who believe Dubya is infallible. I'm not a big Reagan fan, yet he would realize when taxs cuts couldn't be sustained. Bush Sr. I actually do like and again, he realized when our economy could not support tax cuts. Are they somehow liberal because they can look at a budget and go "damn, I hate to do this, but I'm going to have to raise taxes...?"
 

Taggart

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Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
Originally posted by: Taggart
Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
I don't see how that demonstrates liberial bias. The questions they asked could have easily been followed up by "Then what programs do you plan to cut expendatures on?"

That's my point, they just assume that raising taxes is the only answer.

That's my point. How do you know that that ISN'T the next question they asked?

because they didn't
 
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Yup.

It always burns me that neither the MSM nor any politician (of either party) ever seem to consider spending reductions as an option when they talk about trying to reduce the deficit or the national debt.

Tom Delay's comment about there being "no fat in the budget left to cut" made me want to scream.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: Taggart
Originally posted by: Engineer
With figures like Delay saying that the budget is already fat free and others saying that the most that they could squeeze out of the budget would be $20 billion, I guess it's either:

A: Raise taxes

B: Borrow from foreign countries, etc.

I guess I hate the deficit enough to say A. Actually, I've written my Senators and Reps begging to cut spending but they respond with a form letter "I always keep an eye on spending and waste" type of response! :roll:

I understand that "cutting" is better, but can you get "EITHER" side to do it? NO.

At what point does the deficit become so large that both sides have no choice but to raise taxes?

Well, IMHO opinion higher taxes are not the answer, and never will be. We have to push harder for budget cuts.


Not going to happen. It's "deficitville, part 10 trillion" for us. I'm starting to feel like the rest of the population, "I don't feel the deficit, so it must not be real or my problem". Let them borrow it and worry about it later, even though I feel it will hurt us far more than tax increases will over the long run. Laffer curve revisited....
 

Taggart

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Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: Taggart

She's referring to Bill O'Reilly. He's a lot of things (including arrogant;)), but on certain issues he's certainly not a conservative. That call for giving up profits falls into the more left-leaning things he promotes. So yes, Diane Sawyer asking the President if oil companies should just give up profits still shows her promoting liberal ideals.

Except none of your questions really show a left-leaning bias. They're all questions based on "How on earth do you plan on sustaining all of this and still keep the tax cuts?" Are those left leaning questions? Not really. I think anyone who has a little concern over their money in the future would like to know how he plans to spend so much money and keep taxes cuts.

Here is why I can't stand these political hacks who believe Dubya is infallible. I'm not a big Reagan fan, yet he would realize when taxs cuts couldn't be sustained. Bush Sr. I actually do like and again, he realized when our economy could not support tax cuts. Are they somehow liberal because they can look at a budget and go "damn, I hate to do this, but I'm going to have to raise taxes...?"

You haven't addressed my point about how they only call for tax increases. Why don't they ask about budget cuts? Not that it is a good idea, but why don't they also ask if increasing the federal debt is an option?

In my experince, liberals that don't believe the media is biased see them through their liberal 'filter' and think they are mainstream.
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: Taggart
You haven't addressed my point about how they only call for tax increases. Why don't they ask about budget cuts? Not that it is a good idea, but why don't they also ask if increasing the federal debt is an option?

In my experince, liberals that don't believe the media is biased see them through their liberal 'filter' and think they are mainstream.

Yes, because no one has ever brought up a decrease in spending and this adminstration - ever...... Has Dubya ever decreased the spending on anything? Well, except on funding for national security issues like the program for dismantling Russia's nukes.

 

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Originally posted by: Taggart
?The President and I continued to talk, by the way, after the interview....And I said, ?Will you call for tax increases, in fact, if that?s required?? And he said there won?t have to be tax increases, that he believes that it?s very important not to throw a curve to the economy at this particular moment.?
? ABC?s Diane Sawyer following a live interview with President Bush on Good Morning America, September 1.

?Just before we went on the air, Diane and Robin, I asked her [Hillary Clinton] ? given the fact that it?s going to cost so much for recovery and with what we?re spending in Iraq ? whether we?re not going to have to raise taxes.?
? ABC?s Charles Gibson following an interview with Senator Clinton, September 7 Good Morning America.

?Are you going to maintain that we can pay for this, we can pay for the war in Iraq, and we can pay for the rising healthcare costs in this country without raising taxes? These are astronomical dollars we?re talking about that will cost the federal treasury.?
? ABC?s Charles Gibson to White House counselor Dan Bartlett on Good Morning America, September 15.

?The last thing in the world that George W. Bush wants to do is raise taxes, but the amount of money that we?re talking about here ? we?re talking about many, many, many tens of billions of dollars ? can that be done without raising taxes??
? ABC?s Ted Koppel to George Stephanopoulos during live coverage following Bush?s September 15 speech.

George Stephanopoulos: ?You say roll back the tax cuts for the wealthy. He [President Bush] says no tax increase of any kind. We?re spending $5 billion a month in Iraq, probably $200 billion on Katrina. Something?s got to give.?
Former President Bill Clinton: ?Well, that?s what I think.?
? ABC?s This Week, September 18.

NPR?s Nina Totenberg: ?I was very happy to see him take responsibility and to not pretend that the buck stops someplace else. But it would have been a great opportunity to say, ?Look, I?m for tax cuts, but we need a Katrina tax, we need to really pay, to do this and to pay for it.??
Moderator Gordon Peterson: ?You want more taxes.?
Totenberg: ?I want more taxes, yes.?
? Inside Washington, September 17.



Why can't the media ask 'With our commitments in Iraq and the aftermath of Katrina, doesn't this mean there will have to be major cost cutting in the federal budget?' Instead they think that raising taxes is the key to covering the costs. If they were unbiased they would ask if raising taxes and/or cutting federal programs was the correct action. Instead the liberal media imply that they want tax hikes.

The majority of Americans think higher taxes are wrong. Even liberals know this! Just look at the way they frame the idea that GWB's tax cuts should be withdrawn. They say 'repeal the tax cuts.' They don't say 'raise taxes!' If they said 'raise taxes' their political future would be very much in doubt because only hard-line liberals think raising taxes is a good thing. They are, in fact, in favor of raising taxes, but try to spin their way out of it.


It's not a bias. It's an opinion. You disagree with this opinion. So.... that's it...
 

Taggart

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Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: Taggart
You haven't addressed my point about how they only call for tax increases. Why don't they ask about budget cuts? Not that it is a good idea, but why don't they also ask if increasing the federal debt is an option?

In my experince, liberals that don't believe the media is biased see them through their liberal 'filter' and think they are mainstream.

Yes, because no one has ever brought up a decrease in spending and this adminstration - ever...... Has Dubya ever decreased the spending on anything? Well, except on funding for national security issues like the program for dismantling Russia's nukes.

What, so you think the media believes he might increase taxes? That's even less likely. I'm just using your standard.
 

Taggart

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Originally posted by: Tango

It's not a bias. It's an opinion. You disagree with this opinion. So.... that's it...

But reporters are not SUPPOSED to express an opinion, that IS a bias. They are supposed to give an unbiased account of what they report.
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: Taggart
What, so you think the media believes he might increase taxes? That's even less likely. I'm just using your standard.

When he refuses to do one thing, what other options does he have open? And my standard? What is that? That spending is out of control and it needs to be decreased so I don't get raped on my taxes when I get older?
 

Taggart

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Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: Taggart
What, so you think the media believes he might increase taxes? That's even less likely. I'm just using your standard.

When he refuses to do one thing, what other options does he have open? And my standard? What is that? That spending is out of control and it needs to be decreased so I don't get raped on my taxes when I get older?

When I said 'your standard': You said 'no one has ever brought up a decrease in spending and this adminstration - ever.' Well, no one should be bringing up the President and tax increases either, because he has CUT taxes.

A reporter can't pick and choose what fiscal policy options are the answer. They can't leave out the option of decreasing spending or increasing the debt, or any other possibility at covering costs. If they only ask about raising taxes, they are indirectly telling the public that this is the ONLY option to covering costs. And this, in fact, is a liberal view.
 

glenn1

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I don't find it "liberal" that they ask the President if he plans to raise taxes. It seems like an utterly reasonable question to ask at this point, and not like it's completely out of the question as a possibility (anyone who thinks a politician won't raise taxes is kidding themselves, and yes that includes Bush - google "read my lips, no new taxes" if you're still not convinced). To be sure I'm glad he said "no," but I'm glad it was asked.
 

Taggart

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Originally posted by: glenn1
I don't find it "liberal" that they ask the President if he plans to raise taxes. It seems like an utterly reasonable question to ask at this point, and not like it's completely out of the question as a possibility (anyone who thinks a politician won't raise taxes is kidding themselves, and yes that includes Bush - google "read my lips, no new taxes" if you're still not convinced). To be sure I'm glad he said "no," but I'm glad it was asked.

My point is that the media is acting like raising taxes is the only answer. That is why I included the quotes.
 

Steeplerot

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What does raising taxes have to do with liberal bias? :confused:

We have endless posts in here from "lefty" types and I rarely see raising taxes even come into the picture...who likes taxes? ick...
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
What does raising taxes have to do with liberal bias? :confused:

We have endless posts in here from "lefty" types and I rarely see raising taxes even come into the picture...who likes taxes? ick...

Nobody, but who likes endless borrowing either? Taxes suck...deficits suck...cutting spending is the answer, but it's not going to happen. The big ole 10 trillion mark is just 10% away....see you there NEXT year. People want all the goddamn service and pork of the government but never want to pay for it...........

I say pay or take it away...period.