More DUHversion from the Fear President

[Starbuck1975]

Yeah, diverting a plane, and ripping a completely innocent passenger from his seat and grilling him is really making me feel safe. Keep lapping up the propaganda though, otherwise you might expose yourself to reality.

Another way of putting it...flagging a potential terrorist and later discovering it as being a case of mistaken identity.

The man targeted by this check has made no claims of being "ripped" from his seat and "grilled."

What is the appropriate balance for national security? Would you have preferred that this man was entering the United States with malicious intentions and somehow managed to fly below our radar screen?

No security measures are fullproof...no matter how well designed the armor, your enemy will find chinks. Yet, suffering the inconvenience of having my plane diverted is a small price to pay for erring on the side of security.

 

[conjur]

Jet Diverted to Maine in False Alarm
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050518/ap_on_re_us/flight_diverted


I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

 

[Train]

to qualify as a "diversion", wouldnt there have to be some sort of attention concentrated elsewehere to be diverted from?

Whats the American public's attention being diverted away from? American Idol? Desperate Housewives? The NBA Playoffs?

I fail to see how any of these would warrant a diversionary tactic on the part of any political entitity.

 

[conjur]

Galloway's testimony.

The president's falling approval ratings (now down to 43%)

Garnering support for a new Patriot Act

Garnering support for war against Iran




P-R-O-P-A-G-A-N-D-A

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: conjur
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Like I said, there would have to be a concentration of attention on any of those things to qualify a diversion. I see no evidence of that. (and this board does not constitute the general public)

All of the issues you mentioned probably had a total sum of attention equal to 1/10th of the attention on the Michael Jackson trial.

Perhaps you are just trying to use a current event to attract more attention to the things you would like more attention on?

 

[Starbuck1975]

The president's falling approval ratings (now down to 43%) Garnering support for a new Patriot Act Garnering support for war against Iran

The national news media has devoted zero effort to covering these stories, so there would be no need to divert the American public's attention away from these issues...a diversion tends to require something to divert attention away from, and as others have pointed out, the country is more fixated on American Idol, the Michael Jackson trial and May sweeps then what is going on in the White House.

 

[conjur]

It's to bolster the poll ratings, increase support for the "terruh" President, and divert attention from things like the Downing Street Memo. And, it's been working. Where's the memo in the press?

 

[Starbuck1975]

It's to bolster the poll ratings, increase support for the "terruh" President, and divert attention from things like the Downing Street Memo. And, it's been working. Where's the memo in the press?

A somewhat futile propoganda effort considering that it will only appeal to 51% of the country...propoganda is only as effective as those it can sway or manipulate, and I doubt very highly that those who did not vote for Bush would so easily fall for such slight of hand efforts.

Given that the election is over, what are the benefits of Bush engaging in such propoganda efforts...he will not face re-election, and at this stage in the game, public support or dropping numbers in the polls will not change the fact that he won a second term.

Also, where are the Democrats on these issues...should they not be countering such propganda with their own message that illustrates otherwise? Although it is a bit late in the game to be pointing out the failings of this Administration.

 

[MCWAR]

You guys should not take conjur to serious. He is just a right wing guy disguised as a lefty who says the most crazy things he can think of to make the left look far out on the fringe kook level.

 

[Jmman]

Wow, what a surprise, more melodrama from the tin foil hat crowd...........:roll:

 

[skyking]

What purpose does it serve to divert a plane from a Boston, MA landing to a Bangor, ME landing? Was this just to "land the plane ASAP at the nearest airport"?

EDIT: Found my answer in the article:

Bangor International Airport has become a stopping-off point for problem flights because it is the last major U.S. airport for jets headed across the Atlantic and the first for incoming flights.

I personally think that is a crap policy for a flight that will be about 15 minutes longer if it continues to the destination. It makes sense going on to Chicago or something like that.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: MCWAR
You guys should not take conjur to serious. He is just a right wing guy disguised as a lefty who says the most crazy things he can think of to make the left look far out on the fringe kook level.

:shocked: You're new here, huh?

 

[Starbuck1975]

What purpose does it serve to divert a plane from a Boston, MA landing to a Bangor, ME landing? Was this just to "land the plane ASAP at the nearest airport"?

Bangor is the first airport on American soil that most planes encounter after crossing the Atlantic...also, unlike Logan Airport, the Bangor airport is not located in a heavily concentrated urban area.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

It's to bolster the poll ratings, increase support for the "terruh" President, and divert attention from things like the Downing Street Memo. And, it's been working. Where's the memo in the press?

A somewhat futile propoganda effort considering that it will only appeal to 51% of the country...propoganda is only as effective as those it can sway or manipulate, and I doubt very highly that those who did not vote for Bush would so easily fall for such slight of hand efforts.

Given that the election is over, what are the benefits of Bush engaging in such propoganda efforts...he will not face re-election, and at this stage in the game, public support or dropping numbers in the polls will not change the fact that he won a second term.

Also, where are the Democrats on these issues...should they not be countering such propganda with their own message that illustrates otherwise? Although it is a bit late in the game to be pointing out the failings of this Administration.

Where are the Democrats? Take a look at Pelosi and Conyers and the letters they've submitted to the administration to investigate various scandals and problems. What has come of that, though? Not a damn thing.

The GOP has the WH, and both houses of Congress and they still want more.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Where are the Democrats? Take a look at Pelosi and Conyers and the letters they've submitted to the administration to investigate various scandals and problems. What has come of that, though? Not a damn thing.

Pelosi has emerged as a rhetoric spouting attack dog and nothing more...I have listened in on a few of her press conferences, and she would perhaps garner more public support and interest if she refrained herself from engaging in the finger pointing rhetoric that allows the Republicans to easily dismiss her efforts as partisan nonsense.

You often mention the boy who cried wolf...Pelosi has been crying wolf for years now.

 

[conjur]

Hmmm...

Jammed Radio Signal Cited in Capital Plane Incident
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/24/politics/24plane.html

WASHINGTON, May 23 - A Black Hawk helicopter dispatched to intercept a private plane that entered forbidden airspace here on May 11 directed the plane's pilots to tune to a frequency that was not usable at the time, the Department of Homeland Security acknowledged on Monday.

A crewman on the helicopter, kneeling in the open doorway, held up a sign instructing the men on an errant Cessna to tune to an emergency frequency. But at the time the frequency was jammed by a device on an airplane on the ground, an emergency locator transmitter, which broadcasts on that frequency to alert rescuers in case of a crash. There was no crash, and officials are not certain why or from where the transmitter was broadcasting.

 

[mismajor99]

Back in 2000 I supported Bush over Gore, thinking mabey GW had a chance to do something good, but all I see is propaganda and BS. Cheney Rove and Wolf are raping the hell out of our economy while the majority of the american population just sits by. The President is nearly a puppet in a really big chess game, unfortunaley we are all the expendible pawns. I used to think the left were complete morons but I must say, they make a lot of sense and I'm glad to see people on this forum expressing their views. I just wish we had more than two parties in this country.
The older I get the more it seems that the dems and repubs are the same party out for lining personal pockets. If someone not aligned with either party were ever allowed to take office, they would probably get a cap in their ass. I love America but our politicians are just downright dirty mofo's.

I'm sick to my stomach. Thanks for letting me rant.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Ozoned
conjur is "not a Dem"

He is a lost soul. Way to many forks in the road for him so he just walks in circles. Heh heh....

:laugh: :thumbsup:

CsG