More Cash for Clunkers news. Ordered Cars now allowed...

[Genx87]

Courtesy removal.

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

The government said the No. 1 reason dealers are seeing transactions rejected is they are not writing "junk automobile, cars.gov" on both sides of the trade-in vehicles' title, according to McNamara. Many dealers had thought they were following instructions to make sure the titles had a "label" when they affixed stickers with those words to both sides of the titles. But those stickers could be peeled off, so the NHTSA officials said dealers need to handwrite the words, according to McNamara.

"The advice to my dealers was, 'Break out the permanent marker,'" he said.

Dan Smith, NHTSA's associate administrator for enforcement, was among the agency officials on the call, said McNamara.

Reasons for rejection

Other top reasons for a deal's rejection included missing signatures on paperwork, absent proof of insurance for the trade-in vehicle or mismatched vehicle identification numbers for the trade-in.

Were the dealers instructed to do this from the beginning? If so, then this means the dealers need to learn how to fcking read instructions. Why the hell should the government reimburse dealers that submit missing signatures, no proof of insurance, or wrong VIN's? The first issue, I can understand (peeling stickers on the title). But the rest, there's no excuse. When you apply for any rebate, you make sure everything is covered because you don't want them rejecting it. Hell, in our peon world you get ONE chance to get the rebate right. These dealers are lucky to get a second chance to resubmit stuff.

The payment with no identification issue needs to be fixed, no doubt. But the rejections, aside from the peeling sticker issue, there's no excuse to bitch: they did it to themselves.

I deal with several government agencies in my job. Some of the agencies make things very easy (e.g. fill out his form, instructions are in plain English), and some of them are downright cryptic. Based on the number of rejected C4C applications, I'm guessing that the government chose cryptic for this program.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: chucky2
How hard would it be for the .gov to setup a secure website where these places put in their business tax ID, the new and used vehicle VIN's, other pertitent info, and get a C4C unique ID number for that transaction?

All the eBusiness sites that do multiple $Billions of dollars each year do this, and it works.

Could not that have been easily done with C4C???

Chuck

It would have taken 6 months to a year to finish the bid process. The lowest bidder will win... and of course they will be the most incompetent company and it will take another 1-3 years to implement the system while the people that own the company milk the government for all they can.

 

[chucky2]

The government has no current web designers at its fingertips? I can't believe in a nation like the US, with as large as the Fed is, they don't have the experience and manpower to pull something like what I described off.

Granted, I don't know how to code, however, I cannot image the simple secure website I talked about, with the requisite backend, would be so hard and time consuming to implement, especially considering how much overhead it would save.

Chuck

 

[Patranus]

You now have companies 700k in the hole because the government hasn't paid them back.

Obama did say that he wanted fewer car dealerships, well, this is one way to do that.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
Medicare operates with >5% overhead. Private companies push 20% overhead. Just pointing that out

Disproven repeatedly. Medicare operates with low overhead because they push the overhead onto clinics.

My wife works in medical billing and it's the 80/20 rule in effect. I hear all the time about how government medical assistance programs are 20% of the claims and 80% of the work.

If the Democrats get their way we'll eventually truly see what the overhead of US government healthcare is. It will be a hell of a lot more than 5%.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
Medicare operates with >5% overhead. Private companies push 20% overhead. Just pointing that out

Disproven repeatedly. Medicare operates with low overhead because they push the overhead onto clinics.

My wife works in medical billing and it's the 80/20 rule in effect. I hear all the time about how government medical assistance programs are 20% of the claims and 80% of the work.

If the Democrats get their way we'll eventually truly see what the overhead of US government healthcare is. It will be a hell of a lot more than 5%.

It's also "low overhead" because the overhead costs are disguised in other operating costs. When Congress debates crap and spends money doing research, analyzing, whatever THAT is just like executive management debating in the conference room. Oh wait, but that overhead is counted in private insurance companies. What about collecting revenue? The IRS takes care of that with FICA. Medicare Administration sits on their asses and rakes in the money.

People need to stop echoing the same lies over and over again.

 

[TheSkinsFan]

They now have 1200 chuckleheads sitting in some warehouse sorting paperwork for this debacle??! LOL! that's fucking AWESOME!

I simply can't wait for the Government to run healthcare for 300 million people... boy oh boy, that's gonna be FUN!! :laugh:

Does anyone here know of any stats for the current number of healthcare transactions in the U.S. per day?

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Red Herring
Like the Billions that went missing in Iraq? Well at least we know where the C4C money went.

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Any time a demo program fails in any way it's ok because it's not Bush and it's not Iraq, you should know that by now.

As much as Bush fucked things up while president. His legacy will be worse because it will allow democrats to fuck things up equally as bad or worse and let them use the Bush card.

Perhaps not even consciously, but I wonder if some want to screw things up just because if they don't it will feel to them like they didn't get their turn in when they had a chance. Like, if a guy buys something expensive that his wife knows they cannot afford she's ok with it if they buy something else for her that they really, really can't afford. It's like that. Bush fvcked the country up but if the dems can do it then they're even.

Were the dealers instructed to do this from the beginning? If so, then this means the dealers need to learn how to fcking read instructions.

Who knows, but I can only assume that since most dealerships are not run by mentally retarded monkeys that if 80% of them are getting it wrong there is something not just wrong with them but wrong with the process/training.

The government has no current web designers at its fingertips? I can't believe in a nation like the US, with as large as the Fed is, they don't have the experience and manpower to pull something like what I described off.

Granted, I don't know how to code, however, I cannot image the simple secure website I talked about, with the requisite backend, would be so hard and time consuming to implement, especially considering how much overhead it would save.

Stop using logic, that's your first mistake. Of course it wouldn't be that hard to do. They already used a website where dealers can look around and register, but this portion of it, the one that matters, the one that pays the dealers, well that can't be done digitally. Has to use paper with manual review and people having to use pens so it can't be erased, otherwise it would just be too easy and too reliable.

Obama did say that he wanted fewer car dealerships, well, this is one way to do that.

ha. I bet some dealerships that were already hurting and desperate for this C4C money are now very eagerly waiting for their money.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
They now have 1200 chuckleheads sitting in some warehouse sorting paperwork for this debacle??! LOL! that's fucking AWESOME!

So sad. So that's only about 200 per person out of the first 250k to go through. What a waste of time, plus you know that the training to those 1200 is not going to be received the same. As chuck said, make a computer do it and bob's your uncle. One system to test and put in place, not 1200 people who all do something differently.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
They now have 1200 chuckleheads sitting in some warehouse sorting paperwork for this debacle??! LOL! that's fucking AWESOME!

I simply can't wait for the Government to run healthcare for 300 million people... boy oh boy, that's gonna be FUN!! :laugh:

Does anyone here know of any stats for the current number of healthcare transactions in the U.S. per day?

Really? Still trying to push that one?

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
Medicare operates with >5% overhead. Private companies push 20% overhead. Just pointing that out

Medicare also only pays the hospital ~80% of actual costs back to the hospital.

 

[Andrew1990]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Andrew1990
[That may be so, but I don't think it would hurt to know exactly what went where.

Like the Billions that went missing in Iraq? Well at least we know where the C4C money went.

Well look at what not documenting everything in Iraq left us? Almost a trillion in debt. So, why don't we learn from past mistakes and learn to document every detail so we are not screwed as a nation again.

Now I am not the best at keeping track of stuff, but that is why I dont work for the FEDs. Is it really that hard to write down the details?

 

[Patranus]

NY dealers pull out of clunkers program

NEW YORK (AP) - Hundreds of auto dealers in the New York area have withdrawn from the government's Cash for Clunkers program, citing delays in getting reimbursed by the government, a dealership group said Wednesday.

The Greater New York Automobile Dealers Association, which represents dealerships in the New York metro area, said about half its 425 members have left the program because they cannot afford to offer more rebates. They're also worried about getting repaid.

http://www.breitbart.com/artic...A63RC81&show_article=1

Obummer!

Obama did say that there were too many car dealerships in the USA. I guess this is one way to get ride of them.