More Cash for Clunkers news. Ordered Cars now allowed...

MikeMike

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Sure, there are some benefits to this, but this government run program is a joke... Dealers are receiving money, but have no idea what transaction they are for, 4 out of 5 applications are denied, so far only 2% of all processed requests have been paid, when you make a mistake, you dont get told what mistake you made, just figure it out and fix it... what a joke...


U.S. allows clunker rebates on factory orders after dealer complaints

Chrissie Thompson
Automotive News
August 13, 2009 - 5:54 pm ET

The U.S. government has agreed to allow dealers to submit cash-for-clunkers transactions for vehicles ordered from factories instead of just those purchased at a dealership.

That decision came today from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration in response to dealers' complaints about dwindling inventory on lots. The news came amid reports that the agency has rejected about 80 percent of cash-for-clunkers transactions.

Dealers who want to file deals for an ordered vehicle must first obtain the new car's vehicle identification number from a manufacturer, NHTSA said in a statement. Reimbursement requests still must have all required documents for the trade-in vehicle.

The announcement came a day after a NHTSA conference call with dealer group leaders. During the call, NHTSA officials said the government is rejecting four out of every five deals made under the incentive, according to three dealer group heads who listened.

In addition, NHTSA said dealers have only received payments for 2 percent of the processed voucher requests, said Jim Appleton, president of the New Jersey Coalition of Automotive Retailers.

"Dealers cannot continue to operate without getting paid," Appleton said.

Even the dealers who have received some payments are "flipping out," according to Appleton. The payments that appear in their bank accounts don't indicate their corresponding transaction number.

"You just got $4,500, but you don't know for which deal," he said.

Karen Aldana, a NHTSA spokeswoman, said she couldn't yet confirm any news from the conference call.

Dealers must apply

The clunkers program gives consumers up to $4,500 for trading in gas-guzzling vehicles for replacements with better fuel efficiency. Dealers must apply for reimbursements for the consumer vouchers.

The widespread rejections are "an indication of a broken system," said Pete McNamara, president of the New Hampshire Automobile Dealers Association, who was also on the call.

"If 80 percent of your kids fail a test, that means someone's either not teaching you to write, or it's a confusing test," he said.

The government said the No. 1 reason dealers are seeing transactions rejected is they are not writing "junk automobile, cars.gov" on both sides of the trade-in vehicles' title, according to McNamara. Many dealers had thought they were following instructions to make sure the titles had a "label" when they affixed stickers with those words to both sides of the titles. But those stickers could be peeled off, so the NHTSA officials said dealers need to handwrite the words, according to McNamara.

"The advice to my dealers was, 'Break out the permanent marker,'" he said.

Dan Smith, NHTSA's associate administrator for enforcement, was among the agency officials on the call, said McNamara.

Reasons for rejection

Other top reasons for a deal's rejection included missing signatures on paperwork, absent proof of insurance for the trade-in vehicle or mismatched vehicle identification numbers for the trade-in.

A top 10 list is posted at cars.gov/dealersupport with explanations of how to avoid making a mistake on a transaction.

NHTSA rejected about 13,000 deals overnight for having at least three errors on their "summary of sale" form, McNamara said. Those rejections will not come with explanations of how the dealer erred.

"They just told us to have the dealers go through the whole thing," he said. "The dealer's got to start from scratch."

NHTSA, which oversees the $3 billion cash-for-clunkers program, said dealers have submitted 338,659 transactions into an online system. Those reimbursements would total $1.4 billion.

NHTSA officials told conference call participants they are increasing the number of people processing the transactions to 1,200 from about 200. The officials also said NHTSA is still seeking a way to wind down the program before funding runs out.

McNamara's suggestion? "Even if there's money left in the program, that's fine. Just don't let it run out and have dealers and consumers harmed at the end of it."

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CPA

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And half of the country wants these morons to run healthcare.
 

JKing106

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And the Neocons will come up with every pathetic bullshit excuse to criticize and demonize an incredibly successful and popular program. Keep bending over, guys.
 

Andrew1990

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Originally posted by: JKing106
And the Neocons will come up with every pathetic bullshit excuse to criticize and demonize an incredibly successful and popular program. Keep bending over, guys.

If my future taxes are paying for this program, I certainly want every detail and problem worked out.

Is it too much to ask that all the details on this cash for clunkers program is well documented?



 

MikeMike

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Originally posted by: JKing106
And the Neocons will come up with every pathetic bullshit excuse to criticize and demonize an incredibly successful and popular program. Keep bending over, guys.

so, you see no problems with what i am pointing out? or are you ignoring these issues and just going "lalalalallalalalaobamasiahllalalalalal"
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Andrew1990
Originally posted by: JKing106
And the Neocons will come up with every pathetic bullshit excuse to criticize and demonize an incredibly successful and popular program. Keep bending over, guys.

If my future taxes are paying for this program, I certainly want every detail and problem worked out.

Is it too much to ask that all the details on this cash for clunkers program is well documented?

C4C has been paid by other Programs, the Bank Bailouts IIRC. IOW, the money was already allocated, it was just diverted from the other program.
 

xj0hnx

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Andrew1990
Originally posted by: JKing106
And the Neocons will come up with every pathetic bullshit excuse to criticize and demonize an incredibly successful and popular program. Keep bending over, guys.

If my future taxes are paying for this program, I certainly want every detail and problem worked out.

Is it too much to ask that all the details on this cash for clunkers program is well documented?

C4C has been paid by other Programs, the Bank Bailouts IIRC. IOW, the money was already allocated, it was just diverted from the other program.

And who's paying for that? Or did the Obama fairy just create some more money?
 

Andrew1990

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Andrew1990
Originally posted by: JKing106
And the Neocons will come up with every pathetic bullshit excuse to criticize and demonize an incredibly successful and popular program. Keep bending over, guys.

If my future taxes are paying for this program, I certainly want every detail and problem worked out.

Is it too much to ask that all the details on this cash for clunkers program is well documented?

C4C has been paid by other Programs, the Bank Bailouts IIRC. IOW, the money was already allocated, it was just diverted from the other program.

That may be so, but I don't think it would hurt to know exactly what went where.
 

ZeGermans

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Originally posted by: CPA
And half of the country wants these morons to run healthcare.

This is not at all comparable and the majority of the cash for clunkers criticism is your typical slew of right-wing lies.
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: Andrew1990
Originally posted by: JKing106
And the Neocons will come up with every pathetic bullshit excuse to criticize and demonize an incredibly successful and popular program. Keep bending over, guys.

If my future taxes are paying for this program, I certainly want every detail and problem worked out.

Is it too much to ask that all the details on this cash for clunkers program is well documented?

So this is coming from the same person who is not paying the IRS what he owes them??
So instead he is hiding the bill in hopes it will go away??
You have no room to talk!!

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2326234&enterthread=y
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: xj0hnx
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Andrew1990
Originally posted by: JKing106
And the Neocons will come up with every pathetic bullshit excuse to criticize and demonize an incredibly successful and popular program. Keep bending over, guys.

If my future taxes are paying for this program, I certainly want every detail and problem worked out.

Is it too much to ask that all the details on this cash for clunkers program is well documented?

C4C has been paid by other Programs, the Bank Bailouts IIRC. IOW, the money was already allocated, it was just diverted from the other program.

And who's paying for that? Or did the Obama fairy just create some more money?

Point is that it's not new Money.
 

Cuda1447

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: xj0hnx
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Andrew1990
Originally posted by: JKing106
And the Neocons will come up with every pathetic bullshit excuse to criticize and demonize an incredibly successful and popular program. Keep bending over, guys.

If my future taxes are paying for this program, I certainly want every detail and problem worked out.

Is it too much to ask that all the details on this cash for clunkers program is well documented?

C4C has been paid by other Programs, the Bank Bailouts IIRC. IOW, the money was already allocated, it was just diverted from the other program.

And who's paying for that? Or did the Obama fairy just create some more money?

Point is that it's not new Money.


No, the point is it is still our money.
 

Andrew1990

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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: Andrew1990
Originally posted by: JKing106
And the Neocons will come up with every pathetic bullshit excuse to criticize and demonize an incredibly successful and popular program. Keep bending over, guys.

If my future taxes are paying for this program, I certainly want every detail and problem worked out.

Is it too much to ask that all the details on this cash for clunkers program is well documented?

So this is coming from the same person who is not paying the IRS what he owes them??
So instead he is hiding the bill in hopes it will go away??
You have no room to talk!!

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2326234&enterthread=y

My Federal taxes are fine, which is what will be financing all of this in the end. So, yes, this is coming from me.

Thank you for your concern.
 

MikeMike

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Originally posted by: ZeGermans
Originally posted by: CPA
And half of the country wants these morons to run healthcare.

This is not at all comparable and the majority of the cash for clunkers criticism is your typical slew of right-wing lies.

what one LIE have i said in this thread?

your such a partisan hack that your rose colored glasses dont just turn things red, but they block out the sun...
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Andrew1990
Originally posted by: JKing106
And the Neocons will come up with every pathetic bullshit excuse to criticize and demonize an incredibly successful and popular program. Keep bending over, guys.

If my future taxes are paying for this program, I certainly want every detail and problem worked out.

Why? You didn't give a shit under Bush.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Andrew1990
[That may be so, but I don't think it would hurt to know exactly what went where.
Like the Billions that went missing in Iraq? Well at least we know where the C4C money went.

 

boomerang

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Andrew1990
Originally posted by: JKing106
And the Neocons will come up with every pathetic bullshit excuse to criticize and demonize an incredibly successful and popular program. Keep bending over, guys.

If my future taxes are paying for this program, I certainly want every detail and problem worked out.

Why? You didn't give a shit under Bush.
Oh, look - it's the fairness defense.

The rest of us have been out of 3rd grade for decades. Try thinking with your grownup head.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: boomerang

The rest of us have been out of 3rd grade for decades. Try thinking with your grownup head.
:roll: Doesn't sound like you made it out of the Third Grade.

 

boomerang

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: boomerang

The rest of us have been out of 3rd grade for decades. Try thinking with your grownup head.
:roll: Doesn't sound like you made it out of the Third Grade.
Just trying to communicate at his level.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: boomerang
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: boomerang

The rest of us have been out of 3rd grade for decades. Try thinking with your grownup head.
:roll: Doesn't sound like you made it out of the Third Grade.
Just trying to communicate at his level.
Miss Nancy would be proud;)
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: JKing106
And the Neocons will come up with every pathetic bullshit excuse to criticize and demonize an incredibly successful and popular program. Keep bending over, guys.

80% of claims are being denied, often without enough information to know what to fix. This is paperwork that costs money for everybody.

This is govt in a nutshell.
 

PokerGuy

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Originally posted by: CPA
And half of the country wants these morons to run healthcare.

Exactly. This is pretty much how every government program runs. Highly inefficient, slow , cumbersome, wasteful since money does not matter. With this kind of debacle associated with a tiny 4 Billion dollar program, how efficient do you suppupse the trillion dollar health care scam is going to be?