More Budget Fun

[PeshakJang]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrzxtoepgAU

Sen. Sessions calls out the President for blatantly lying to the American people, in stating that by 2015, under his budget, the national debt would not be increasing.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTuzmyMwH7E

Sessions confronts Obama's budget director on the blatant lie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdcQGJF_jmY&NR=1

Treasury Secretary admits that the President's budget is completely unsustainable over the next 10 years, as designed.

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When I heard the president in his press conference say that by 2015, we would no longer be adding to the national debt, I happened to be looking at the consolidated chart which showed that indeed, we continued to add to it each year. I am glad that somebody is calling him out on his bullshit. Pretty disgusting hearing people try to spin it like this budget takes us anywhere near where we need to go.

On top of that, any casual analysis of the budget makes it pretty evident that even the current projections, which are pretty dismal, are based on the rosiest of economic forecasts, with little reduction in spending, and all future deficit "reductions" coming in the form of higher projected tax revenues.

I suppose my spending in the form of credit card debt far beyond what I can afford isn't a problem, since I plan on getting a big fat raise in a few years.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Yes, both parties are filled with lying and self-serving spendthrifts when it comes to the budget.

Dems = raise taxes to keep spending like drunken monkeys.

Repubs = cut health care and any social programs we think are un-Christian, but keep up the corporate welfare and waste $3 billion on a redundant jet engine. Make unfunded tax cuts so the wealthy can "trickle down" on us.

 

[PeshakJang]

Yes, both parties are filled with lying and self-serving spendthrifts when it comes to the budget.

Dems = raise taxes to keep spending like drunken monkeys.

Repubs = cut health care and any social programs we think are un-Christian, but keep up the corporate welfare and waste $3 billion on a redundant jet engine. Make unfunded tax cuts so the wealthy can "trickle down" on us.

At least now, it seems, the budget is actually a legitimate issue and not just a way to score points.

The President had a chance to actually put forth a budget that could put us on the right track. The voice of the American people is pretty loud and clear on what we want now, and the problems we face financially are imminent.

Unfortunately, he did the exact opposite. He put forth a budget that his own treasury secretary admitted was completely unsustainable. He says we need to make hard cuts, but he wants tens of billions in new spending for trains. He literally has no concern, seemingly, for what the budget and debt actually do or mean... as is evident by his blatant lie regarding the deficit by 2015.

 

[irwincur]

"but keep up the corporate welfare"

At least this keeps people employed. Better to have them working then to have the government (I mean the Chinese government) pay them to sit on their asses.

 

[sportage]

In other words.... we're all screwed unless we have our own right wing radio talk show...
Guess a lot of us here do.

 

[FDF12389]

Gotta admit with his budget he should not be pushing these trains.

 

[MovingTarget]

...and Jeff Sessions' plan is what exactly? We all saw how his party (subset) acted 'responsibly' the last time they were in control of the budget process. More tax cuts for the wealthy, more military expenditure, more ignoring the crumbling of national infrastructure, more deficits when times were good. (That would've been the time for austerity, when the economy was doing "well", not now.)

It really bugs me that my state reelected him. Anyway, he does have a point, but I find it hard to take too seriously with all the other hot air he spews. What does the CBO say about the projected deficit by then?

 

[Moonbeam]

At least now, it seems, the budget is actually a legitimate issue and not just a way to score points.

The President had a chance to actually put forth a budget that could put us on the right track. The voice of the American people is pretty loud and clear on what we want now, and the problems we face financially are imminent.

Unfortunately, he did the exact opposite. He put forth a budget that his own treasury secretary admitted was completely unsustainable. He says we need to make hard cuts, but he wants tens of billions in new spending for trains. He literally has no concern, seemingly, for what the budget and debt actually do or mean... as is evident by his blatant lie regarding the deficit by 2015.

The voice of the American people is loud and clear my ass. We are exactly where the American people want us to be. The American people want government services and don't want to pay for any of them and there isn't a Republican anywhere who is going to survive taking away their perks. Republicans are a joke. And they are worthless liars too. All they do is label Democrats spenders. They won't cut anything that will cost them a vote.

 

[IKnoWhatsBest4U]

Quit complaining. The only other alternative is to raise taxes.

That's the only way we can pay for medicare and medicaid.

 

[FDF12389]

The voice of the American people is loud and clear my ass. We are exactly where the American people want us to be. The American people want government services and don't want to pay for any of them and there isn't a Republican anywhere who is going to survive taking away their perks. Republicans are a joke. And they are worthless liars too. All they do is label Democrats spenders. They won't cut anything that will cost them a vote.

Neither will democrats, both parties are blatantly corrupt.

 

[PeshakJang]

...and Jeff Sessions' plan is what exactly? We all saw how his party (subset) acted 'responsibly' the last time they were in control of the budget process. More tax cuts for the wealthy, more military expenditure, more ignoring the crumbling of national infrastructure, more deficits when times were good. (That would've been the time for austerity, when the economy was doing "well", not now.)

It really bugs me that my state reelected him. Anyway, he does have a point, but I find it hard to take too seriously with all the other hot air he spews. What does the CBO say about the projected deficit by then?

So when the Republicans take back full control, and submit a budget that is twice as bad, can I look back and ask where the Democrats were, and excuse them because of this?

I agree that the Republicans spent way too much, but for Christ's sake, it has to stop somewhere. This administration has added more to the debt in 1 year than the entire cost of both wars over 10 years, all the while saying it is needed to get us out of the problems that too much spending in the past caused. No more.

 

[CPA]

The voice of the American people is loud and clear my ass. We are exactly where the American people want us to be. The American people want government services and don't want to pay for any of them and there isn't a Republican anywhere who is going to survive taking away their perks. Republicans are a joke. And they are worthless liars too. All they do is label Democrats spenders. They won't cut anything that will cost them a vote.

somewhat agree, however there are state republicans that are cutting, Christie, Perry, Brewer, being a few. They may not cut what you believe should be cut, but they are taking on areas that have been sacred cows for too long. As Christie said the other day: "We must raise social security retirement age. There I said it. Guess what, I'm still standing here"

 

[Moonbeam]

Neither will democrats, both parties are blatantly corrupt.

No that is not the point. The point is that one of those two parties claims to be the party of fiscal responsibility. There is no worse form of scum on the planet than those who vilify the competition to win office for not cutting spending and have no intention of doing it either. Stop defending scum. It rubs off. We're talking about bad and real shit here.

 

[bamacre]

No that is not the point. The point is that one of those two parties claims to be the party of fiscal responsibility. There is no worse form of scum on the planet than those who vilify the competition to win office for not cutting spending and have no intention of doing it either. Stop defending scum. It rubs off. We're talking about bad and real shit here.

Kinda like how the left gained power by promising to reduce the warfare state, then they got elected, and increased the budget for the DoD.

 

[fskimospy]

At least now, it seems, the budget is actually a legitimate issue and not just a way to score points.

The President had a chance to actually put forth a budget that could put us on the right track. The voice of the American people is pretty loud and clear on what we want now, and the problems we face financially are imminent.

Unfortunately, he did the exact opposite. He put forth a budget that his own treasury secretary admitted was completely unsustainable. He says we need to make hard cuts, but he wants tens of billions in new spending for trains. He literally has no concern, seemingly, for what the budget and debt actually do or mean... as is evident by his blatant lie regarding the deficit by 2015.

I'm interested to hear what you think the voice of the American people is pretty loud and clear on.

 

[fskimospy]

So when the Republicans take back full control, and submit a budget that is twice as bad, can I look back and ask where the Democrats were, and excuse them because of this?

I agree that the Republicans spent way too much, but for Christ's sake, it has to stop somewhere. This administration has added more to the debt in 1 year than the entire cost of both wars over 10 years, all the while saying it is needed to get us out of the problems that too much spending in the past caused. No more.

The administration didn't say that the cause of our problems was too much spending in the past, or anything even remotely approaching that.

 

[Moonbeam]

Kinda like how the left gained power by promising to reduce the warfare state, then they got elected, and increased the budget for the DoD.

Not unlike that at all. And Republicans love it.

 

[itsmydamnation]

Quit complaining. The only other alternative is to raise taxes.

That's the only way we can pay for medicare and medicaid.

you could actually reform the health care system, its insane that even before the new "universal" health care stuff that the USA government spends more in all terms ( per capita, absolute etc) then any other government in the world and then then there is still a requirement private insurance and a massive amount of people that cant afford hospital treatment.

just about every other 1st world country does health care better, maybe its time to instead of throwing money at a problem actually fix it. But im sure that doesn't fit the pure capitalism is the best rhetoric.

the "average" person in Australia pays around the same amount of tax as the average person in the USA yet has a far better health system and a massive social wealth fare system as well.

i might sound leftist here (im not) but to me more and more im seeing capitalism as being no better then communism just with different rules.

 

[theeedude]

Sessions sounds angry and paranoid.

 

[BoberFett]

Kinda like how the left gained power by promising to reduce the warfare state, then they got elected, and increased the budget for the DoD.

It's completely different. When the left increases military spending it's because they care about people.