More B.S. propagated under the name of Islam

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: magomago
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7997749.stm

This is not an insult to Islam in any way at all. This is, however, an insult to the parents. It did not even say the couple did anything wrong - simply that the parents did not approve it. It is all about maintaining a power structure, and nothing to do about religion.
Religion is simply used to rationalize their actions and convince any poor population, who generally don't know that much about the details of religion anyways, that what they are doing is right.

Geez...such B.S.

Another testimonial for have a strong separation of church and state and having a humanist secular philosophy.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield


There is support for this in any religious book you can find. Religion works out of fear and trust as a combo, all religions work that way.

Actually the religions themselves don't work that way. Instead what we have are people who will believe anything a so called priest/minister/prophet tells them without really deciding things for themselves. People like to be part of the group, and if the group believes something then most people go along, despite the actual text they base things on saying something totally different.

There is so much that is done in the name of religion that the religion itself never condones.

It is like taliban that claim this is a war authorized by God , its a jihad. The Koran never says that. It says you have the right to defend yourself but you must NOT become the aggressor.
The minute you start instigating a fight you have gone against what the religion teaches.

They are stretching it to say 'well its just one long battle, they started it, we are just defending our land" , but ask a muslim cleric. He will tell you they are taking it out of context and it is not meant to be used that way.

Really, so you don't get rewarded for being good and punished for being bad, hell was invented in Christianity somewhere along the creation of the KJV, before that it wasn't even mentioned in any Christian text (it's actually a concept that comes from Norse mythology, the woman Hel who guarded the lakes of fire, with two faces, one of beauty and one of rotting flesh (the two faced, hmm, i wonder wich other mythological book has that in it?) where those that disobeyed the gods would go).

You don't have to argue with me about the Talibans completely taking the Koran and converting it to something completely diffrent, i already know that.

There are good people and bad people of every religion or non religion, the problem happens when they get followers BASED on religion, usually insecure followers of a religion looking for something more than just prayer, there are a LOT of them around the world.

There is support for murder of innocents in all both the Bible and the Koran, i'll stand by my word on this one and if you know the Koran too, you do know that i am right.

 

[Modelworks]

The KJV bible has so many translation errors that I wouldn't use it for a basis of anything. Almost every day I hear of a new word in the KJV bible that was mistranslated and means something totally different. If you look at the founding of religions it is really interesting that God starts out as a peaceful entity who does not use fear but instead tries to guide humanity. Then as the religions progress , God gets more and more vengeful. It is almost like the religions said, well we tried the nice approach and that isn't working, so lets scare the people.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
The KJV bible has so many translation errors that I wouldn't use it for a basis of anything. Almost every day I hear of a new word in the KJV bible that was mistranslated and means something totally different. If you look at the founding of religions it is really interesting that God starts out as a peaceful entity who does not use fear but instead tries to guide humanity. Then as the religions progress , God gets more and more vengeful. It is almost like the religions said, well we tried the nice approach and that isn't working, so lets scare the people.

Exactly my point and good on you.

That is why religions of today are horrible concepts of trying to follow a higher power, you really need to do that on your own, some people just try to find a community so they can hate others, some people try to find a community just to belong, some people walk their own way believing and some people walk their own path without believing.

This man that i quote speaks of the truth.

 

[palehorse]

Moral of the story: Destroy/undermine/obliterate/demolish/eliminate the Taliban by any/all means possible.

got it. no problem. we're on it.

help, or get the fuck out of our way.

 

[MrMatt]

Originally posted by: yllus
Honestly, the best thing I could get out of this story when I read it in my morning paper is that it will hopefully strength everyone's resolve against the existence of the Taliban.

This was the first of a triple-whammy of in-the-name-of-Islam idiocy I got to read in the paper today. The others:

Brother confesses to killing pregnant sister to protect his family's honour

A Jordanian man confessed to stabbing to death his pregnant sister and mutilating her body to protect the family honour. Prosecutor Mohammed al-Tarawneh said the man turned himself into police and has been charged with murder, The Associated Press reported. The 28-year-old married woman was five months pregnant and had moved back in with her family after an argument with her husband. Her brother believed she was seeing other men.

Attempts to introduce harsher sentences for honour killings have been blocked in Jordan's parliament. Some members of government have also urged judges to consider honour killings equal to other homicides and punishable by up to 15 years in prison. But many in the judiciary still hand down lenient punishments of half of that or less.

Immigrant charged with hiring hit men to kill daughter for wearing miniskirt

An Azeri immigrant has been charged with hiring hit men to kill his daughter for wearing a miniskirt. His arrest follows the detention last week of two other citizens of Azerbaijan who confessed to murdering the 21-yearold university medical student. "They admitted to being paid 100,000 rubles [$3,650] by the girl's father. They said he wanted to punish his daughter for flouting national traditions and wearing a miniskirt," a police source said yesterday.

The victim was abducted on the street on March 8, taken to the suburbs, then shot twice in the head. Russia has experienced a revival of conservative religious tradition since the fall of the Soviet Union in its Russian Orthodox and large Muslim communities.

What absolute idiots. I don't know what it is about Islam that fosters the idea that honour amongst your peers in the community is more important than the preciousness of life itself. I'd say it's a result of the uneducated nature of the community in which Islam just happens to be the dominant religion, but that doesn't explain the same crimes occurring here in Canada and in other parts of the West.

If these people took half the time that they put into doing retarded shit like this, and invested it into their countries maybe they wouldn't live in such shit holes.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
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(1) Really, so you don't get rewarded for being good and punished for being bad, hell was invented in Christianity somewhere along the creation of the KJV, before that it wasn't even mentioned in any Christian text (it's actually a concept that comes from Norse mythology, the woman Hel who guarded the lakes of fire, with two faces, one of beauty and one of rotting flesh (the two faced, hmm, i wonder wich other mythological book has that in it?) where those that disobeyed the gods would go).

You don't have to argue with me about the Talibans completely taking the Koran and converting it to something completely diffrent, i already know that.

There are good people and bad people of every religion or non religion, the problem happens when they get followers BASED on religion, usually insecure followers of a religion looking for something more than just prayer, there are a LOT of them around the world.

(2) There is support for murder of innocents in all both the Bible and the Koran, i'll stand by my word on this one and if you know the Koran too, you do know that i am right.

Re: #1 (underlined sentence) Agreed, you don't get 'rewarded' for being good or bad (if you mean get to heaven). That would technically mean you earned it. Not possible according to some/many theologies.

Re: #2 (underlined sentence), faulty premise under some/many theologies - there are no such thing as 'innocents' ('original sin' etc.).

Just saying....

Fern