More anti-smoking measures, Philadelphia

[Mr. Pedantic]

Nope, it was spot on, you are disgusting.

The sad thing is that even after I point out that you're wrong, you can't see where.

Nope.. we should prosecute people that cause accidents.

Drinking has little to do with it (beyond educating people that if they drinj, they are more likely to cause accidents)

-John

That's like having the death penalty for suicide.

 

[SolMiester]

You find the smell unpleasant, therefore it should be banned from any place you intend to go in public? OK, if people disliking the smell is enough rationale for a ban, then I should mention that I find other people's BO to be incredibly unpleasant. Therefore, I think it should be a misdemeanor to go out into public without using deoderant. If you want to stink to high heaven in your own home, be my guest. But no, not anywhere where I'll be downwind.

+1

 

[Zorkorist]

Nah, it's just normal human behaviour.

Like smoking and drinking, and eating.

You are legislating against the very base of human behavior.

-John

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Nah, it's just normal human behaviour.

Like smoking and drinking, and eating.

You are legislating against the very base of human behavior.

-John

Appeal to tradition.

 

[Zorkorist]

Appeal to a Brave New World.

-John

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Are you always this stupid, or just on the internet?

 

[dali71]

I don't know if it's an allergy or just a sensitivity, but any time I'm exposed to second hand cigarette smoke, I get a headache. Since I believe that a person's individual freedom ends where another person's begins, I have no problem with smoking being prohibited in public places not specifically designated for it.

 

[Zorkorist]

Tolerance, is a word you might want to research, Dali.

You tolerate me, and I tolerate you.

Once you get the Government involved, then all bets are off, obv.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Pastor Martin Niemöller

-John

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Tolerance, is a word you might want to research, Dali.

You tolerate me, and I tolerate you.

Once you get the Government involved, then all bets are off, obv.

-John

Just like how you should tolerate someone hitting you over the head with a baseball bat? Because that will give you a headache too.

 

[ch33zw1z]

It saddens me that this has to be a law. Why do smokers seemingly not think about the people around them? I've gotten in to arguments with parents at the playground who are smoking around the kids, literally ON the playground. At least walk 50' away so it's not such direct contact. Does nicotine kill brain cells? If they had thought about others more often maybe it wouldn't have been escalated to this extent.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I don't know if it's an allergy or just a sensitivity, but any time I'm exposed to second hand cigarette smoke, I get a headache.

You're not alone.

 

[airdata]

Good. anti-smoking laws are about public health. The simple fact is that cigarettes contain poisonous chemicals. If you want to smoke, that's fine... great. Maybe they should not be banning smoking, just the delivery method.

Cigarettes and cigars are just inefficient. You light them, hit them and then they sit there and burn as you chit chat with your co workers outside, or while your newborn baby rides shotgun with you in your car. As much or more smoke comes off of the cigarette while it's not even being hit than when it's being hit.

It's just irresponsible and rude to walk around polluting the air other people may be breathing. Smokers should take this into consideration and go smoke where they're not going to impact anybody else.

It's comparable to going to a bar and taking a drink and then forcing everybody else to take a drink regardless of who they are or how old they are.

 

[piasabird]

Some subjects require a higher level of blunt delivery.

Anyone that smokes cigarrettes is a moron and an ignorant person. When I see school kids at the bus stop smoking cigarrettes, I just assume that they are stupid. I know they teach kids not to smoke at school. If you smoke you should not be allowed to go to school or receive welfare or financial aid or any aid from the government. There is no excuse for this ignorance. If you want to smoke then you should not be able to get medical insurance either.

 

[piasabird]

How can any person that claims to be intelligent smoke cigarrettes?

 

[Ackmed]

I'm all for public bans. I shouldn't have to smell your smoke. It really annoys me when some smuck sucks down a cigarette right out side the door, and flicks the butt on the ground. And I've got to walk thru the cloud. Thankfully most government buildings I'm around make you smoke 50 feet from the doors.

Want to smoke? Smoke in your car or home. Or a designated smoking area in a public place.

 

[Zebo]

This is ridiculous. When we fly into Ontario California airport to visit my parents and drive to costa mesa I can't even see the billboards on fwy my eyes start watering and nose closing. Basically cars have to be 100x worse than walking in a bar and I hear nothing about banning them.

Not to mention freedom of association. Freedom of proprietor being violated. If you don't like it GTFO not infringe on his freedoms.

 

[evident]

I think smoking is bad but I also think people should be allowed to start and stop it on their own.
This hatred so many people have for smokers irritates me.
Especially when I get shat on for hating illegals or welfare leeches or politicians.

have you ever been overseas? anytime i come back to the hotel i need to take a shower because everyone smokes everywhere. hotel elevators, the lobby, bars, you name it.
one thing i love about coming back to philly is that people can't do that shit.

 

[p0nd]

This is ridiculous. When we fly into Ontario California airport to visit my parents and drive to costa mesa I can't even see the billboards on fwy my eyes start watering and nose closing. Basically cars have to be 100x worse than walking in a bar and I hear nothing about banning them.

there's mountains of legislation aiming to reduce emissions that has been passed. iirc california is on the leading edge of such laws as well.

Not to mention freedom of association. Freedom of proprietor being violated. If you don't like it GTFO not infringe on his freedoms.

So smokers should have the privilege to pollute the air others breathe, and endanger the safety of asthmatics, children and other sensitive people in public? Where can they "GTFO" to if smoking is allowed everywhere?

 

[Zebo]

Go to a different restaurant. We have smoke free places where I live and that's all I'll go to. But I'm not about to make someone accommodate me in their business.

Violates their freedom which I'm not into. Same reason I think drugs, prostitution, etc should be legal too. Freedom rather than oppression is just how I roll.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Smoker's should be free to smoke, but I should be free to punch a smoker in the face for blowing their disgusting, poisonous, stinky ass 2nd hand smoke in my face.

 

[xj0hnx]

The sad thing is that even after I point out that you're wrong, you can't see where.

You pointed out nothing other than your opinion.

Go to a different restaurant. We have smoke free places where I live and that's all I'll go to. But I'm not about to make someone accommodate me in their business.

Violates their freedom which I'm not into. Same reason I think drugs, prostitution, etc should be legal too. Freedom rather than oppression is just how I roll

Yip, this is one of those issue that you get to see how self righteous, and totalitarian people really are.

 

[fskimospy]

Hey guys, local government, right? That's what conservatives are all about.

If you don't like how a municipality does their business, don't go there. Why are you trying to restrict a local area's right to self government?

 

[Murloc]

it's a very good thing for everyone.
Cancer and health is the most obvious reason, but secondhand smoking is very uncomfortable in general.
If I'm relaxing in a park, I sure as hell want to breathe the air, not cough because of the stinging odour of a drug addict.

Your freedom ends where the one of another starts.
Prostitution should be legal. Drugs (including cigarettes) in private use are not inherently wrong if it wasn't for the price the whole society has to pay when you can't work, need healthcare etc.

Someone smoking beside me in a public place I paid or will pay for with my taxes is violating my freedom to choose whether to smoke or not.
Someone banging a prostitute is not. Land of the free huh?

 

[Zebo]

Hey guys, local government, right? That's what conservatives are all about.

If you don't like how a municipality does their business, don't go there. Why are you trying to restrict a local area's right to self government?

I don't know about conservatives but Individual liberty > community.

And it's not like you have no choice to go into their establishment or not so the negative health effects on you are a non sequitur.