Moral obligation of sperm and egg donors

[sandorski]

Couldn't they just make an App in Visual Basic to fix the kids Liver. WTF?

 

[swanysto]

Well, it should be on the sperm bank. They have taken a product, however bad, and sold it. It is their job to take the necessary precautions.

However, if a kid showed up at my door asking for liver tissue, I would probably help him/her out unless all the booze has made my liver unusable to other people.

 

[pcgeek11]

How do you think you would feel if you had a one night stand, 20 years later a kid shows up at your house claiming you were his father. Would you at least treat the child as if he/she were your own? Would you treat the kid any different then you treat the children you had with your wife?

Or if you donated sperm for some weekend party money. 20 years later a young adult shows up at your home. Do you treat him/her any differently then you would treat the kids you had with your wife?

If we shun responsibility, are we any better then animals?

Responsibility not found... Yes I would treat them both different as they are total strangers.

 

[MotF Bane]

How do you think you would feel if you had a one night stand, 20 years later a kid shows up at your house claiming you were his father. Would you at least treat the child as if he/she were your own? Would you treat the kid any different then you treat the children you had with your wife?

Or if you donated sperm for some weekend party money. 20 years later a young adult shows up at your home. Do you treat him/her any differently then you would treat the kids you had with your wife?

If we shun responsibility, are we any better then animals?

No responsibility at all for the donated sperm child. Your responsibility is waived.

 

[Texashiker]

Responsibility not found... Yes I would treat them both different as they are total strangers.

Because a child shows up half grown, or grown, somehow makes them less of a person, and less deserving of your attention?

While my uncle was in the navy (before he got married), he had a relationship with a lady on base. The relationship lasted only a couple of months before my uncle was transferred to another base.

18 years later this young lady knocks on his door, introduces herself and says something like "I am your daughter". My aunt had a difficult time dealing with this kid just appearing out of nowhere. My uncle accepted the young lady, I think there was a DNA test to prove he was her dad, and now they have a relationship.

No responsibility at all for the donated sperm child. Your responsibility is waived.

What is the difference between a donation at a clinic, and having a one night stand?

Where does society draw the line for being responsible for the children?

Had sex on the hood of a car - responsible.
Had sex in a bed - responsible.
Donated at a clinic - not responsible.

Donating sperm does not bring a child into the world. Whomever initiates the insemination is responsible for that child. Seems very cut and dry.

How about this - man gets a blowjob, woman uses sperm to impregnate herself. Man is ordered to pay child support.

Might not be safe for work - http://mensnewsdaily.com/2011/02/27/man-receives-oral-sex-ordered-to-pay-child-support/

 

[HardcoreRobot]

Donating sperm does not bring a child into the world. Whomever initiates the insemination is responsible for that child. Seems very cut and dry.

For the example of one night stand, that did produce a child, so you are responsible. Though at 20 years old there should no longer be any legal responsibility.

In either case, not raising a child would basically mean they are complete strangers, regardless of DNA. So I think it would be natural to have no attachment. Similar to how parents that adopt kids would make extreme sacrifices for them, even though they do not share genetic material. Spending lives together is what grows bonds and attachment, not DNA.

As far as undergoing surgery to save your child's life. I would do it, but I wouldn't pretend like I have any right to tell anyone else they have to.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

Because a child shows up half grown, or grown, somehow makes them less of a person, and less deserving of your attention?

While my uncle was in the navy (before he got married), he had a relationship with a lady on base. The relationship lasted only a couple of months before my uncle was transferred to another base.

18 years later this young lady knocks on his door, introduces herself and says something like "I am your daughter". My aunt had a difficult time dealing with this kid just appearing out of nowhere. My uncle accepted the young lady, I think there was a DNA test to prove he was her dad, and now they have a relationship.




What is the difference between a donation at a clinic, and having a one night stand?

Where does society draw the line for being responsible for the children?

Had sex on the hood of a car - responsible.
Had sex in a bed - responsible.
Donated at a clinic - not responsible.




How about this - man gets a blowjob, woman uses sperm to impregnate herself. Man is ordered to pay child support.

Might not be safe for work - http://mensnewsdaily.com/2011/02/27/man-receives-oral-sex-ordered-to-pay-child-support/

Yes, I have heard of that case and I disagree with the ruling. Also, I don't think there MUST be any strong bond between parent and child. If your kid is a dick, you are legally responsible to care for them until they are of age, then move on with your life. Just how if you parent is an asshole, and you want to buy an old camaro and run off into the sunset to never deal with them again, thats OK to. But, we are talking adults. Adults make their own decisions. For children, the adult responsible for them is legally bound to care for them until they are 18

In reality, loving families create strong bonds that have them risk their lives for each other. But thats not always the case, and certainly shouldnt be law.

 

[MotF Bane]

What is the difference between a donation at a clinic, and having a one night stand?

Where does society draw the line for being responsible for the children?

Had sex on the hood of a car - responsible.
Had sex in a bed - responsible.
Donated at a clinic - not responsible.

The clinic is a legal donation with a whole bunch of paperwork to back it up. Sex with another person has no legal dismissal of liability (although at this point it almost seems necessary, thank you court system and crazy women).

How about this - man gets a blowjob, woman uses sperm to impregnate herself. Man is ordered to pay child support.

Might not be safe for work - http://mensnewsdaily.com/2011/02/27/man-receives-oral-sex-ordered-to-pay-child-support/

He should not be liable for the child support. The court should recognize that the mother is completely insane. Failing that, he should win his suits for money from her, to at least equal the value of the child support.

 

[Texashiker]

The court should recognize that the mother is completely insane.

I lol'ed

The clinic is a legal donation with a whole bunch of paperwork to back it up. Sex with another person has no legal dismissal of liability (although at this point it almost seems necessary, thank you court system and crazy women).

One thing that separates us from the rest of the animal world, is how we treat our children. If you take that away, does society suffer? Are we any less human if we shun our children?

Is signing parental rights away, just a legalized way to be a dead-beat parent?

 

[CountZero]

Because a child shows up half grown, or grown, somehow makes them less of a person, and less deserving of your attention?

While my uncle was in the navy (before he got married), he had a relationship with a lady on base. The relationship lasted only a couple of months before my uncle was transferred to another base.

18 years later this young lady knocks on his door, introduces herself and says something like "I am your daughter". My aunt had a difficult time dealing with this kid just appearing out of nowhere. My uncle accepted the young lady, I think there was a DNA test to prove he was her dad, and now they have a relationship.




What is the difference between a donation at a clinic, and having a one night stand?

Where does society draw the line for being responsible for the children?

Had sex on the hood of a car - responsible.
Had sex in a bed - responsible.
Donated at a clinic - not responsible.




How about this - man gets a blowjob, woman uses sperm to impregnate herself. Man is ordered to pay child support.

Might not be safe for work - http://mensnewsdaily.com/2011/02/27/man-receives-oral-sex-ordered-to-pay-child-support/

If you had sex you are responsible. That's it. It is completely cut and dry. Everything else, including crazy woman syndrome, should leave the father not legally responsible. If they want to be part of the kids life they have that choice since they are the father but if they want no part they should have no obligation.

I actually disagree with the court's decisions on these cases. What's best for the child shouldn't trump the fact that in the case you linked and for a sperm donor the biological father shouldn't be legally responsible.

 

[bfdd]

I am going to guess you have no real life experiences with your own children? What are you, 19, 20, 21,,, years old to be making those kinds of comments.

Come back when you have children, or when you get some morals and values.

Think about this just for a minute, a man my dad worked with, one day the child support office sent him a letter saying he owed something like $25k or $30k in back child support. Seems he fathered a child 15 or so years earlier with a fling. He never knew he had a child with the lady, much less owed back support.

Where does society draw the line on supporting the children we produce?

Is it ok for a donor to turn their back on a child, but its not ok to have sex, then turn your back?

Yes it is ok for a donor to turn their back on a child, just like Walmart has every right to turn their back on the victims of Columbine. They are selling a good, it is not their responsibility what the buyer does with it. Life is hard, not everyone can live and just because you might think there is a "right to life" doesn't mean the rest of us have to help them live it.

 

[Texashiker]

Yes it is ok for a donor to turn their back on a child, just like Walmart has every right to turn their back on the victims of Columbine.

What I get from your post, life is nothing more then a commodity and family holds no higher place then strangers on the street.

 

[pcgeek11]

Because a child shows up half grown, or grown, somehow makes them less of a person, and less deserving of your attention?

While my uncle was in the navy (before he got married), he had a relationship with a lady on base. The relationship lasted only a couple of months before my uncle was transferred to another base.

18 years later this young lady knocks on his door, introduces herself and says something like "I am your daughter". My aunt had a difficult time dealing with this kid just appearing out of nowhere. My uncle accepted the young lady, I think there was a DNA test to prove he was her dad, and now they have a relationship.

If a stranger shows up at my door and says he/she is my child they are a stranger still valid claim or not. They are not mine until proven otherwise. I didn't say I would chase them away with a shotgun or be rude. I would however question the claim.

18 years later. The mother should have contacted me long before that. If they were actually mine I would accept it. That however doesn't entitle them to demand back child support etc... If they made demands... I would then chase them away with a shotgun.

 

[lyssword]

That's why evolution is about diversity, instead of getting one type of person

 

[Wreckem]

Can we please move past the CSI is fiction, and stop focusing just on Wilsons Disease?

At what point do parents get to pick and choose that their moral obligations are to the children? Is it only when the child was planned? Is it only when the parents are married?

Is there any real difference between a one night stand, and making a "donation" at a clinic?

Perhaps men should have women sign a contract before a one night stand, stating that if she gets pregnant, the man can not be held responsible for support of the child.

1. Legally speaking, yes there is a HUGE difference. Non martial children are legally yours if they can prove paternity via DNA. Donor children can never be legally yours(the donor).

2. Contract like that wouldn't be legally enforceable.

 

[sandorski]

If a woman takes Sperm from a Clinic, gets Pregnant, then changes her mind, can she then claim the Donor Raped her? :sneaky:

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Without moral/ethical considerations, there'd be no legal obligations.

You haven't had much experience with the courts I see.

 

[Wreckem]

Oh and for those that say it couldn't happen. In the US there are multiple donor fathers with 100+ kids. There is one with over 150. You also have to remember 15-20 years ago regulations on screening weren't as tight and some diseases weren't discovered/testable yet. Sure now they screen for everything under the sun, but before DNA testing and the human genome project was finished, there wasn't a whole lot of genetic screening.

 

[Howard]

Should be treated the same way as STIs.

 

[CountZero]

What I get from your post, life is nothing more then a commodity and family holds no higher place then strangers on the street.

Sperm banks provide a valuable service for those that could not otherwise have children. Adding any kind of legal or even moral obligation to the donor is a sure way to kill sperm banks.

 

[Texashiker]

1. Legally speaking, yes there is a HUGE difference.

Ok, "why" is there a huge difference?

Why is there a difference between a one night stand where there was no intention of having a child, and donating? In both situations, the person does not want to take responsibility for the children produced from the act.

Legally there is a difference.

Morally, is there any real difference?

There is also a difference between mans law, and natural law. Mans law grants donation clinics special status, but what about natural law?

 

[IAteYourMother]

No way the biological father has a moral obligation to donate a part of his liver... that obligation might even be debatable for a real father.

 

[IronWing]

There is also a difference between mans law, and natural law. Mans law grants donation clinics special status, but what about natural law?

Natural law says whatever it is that you want it to say. It's like a god, it is exactly what you want it to be.

 

[Wreckem]

Ok, "why" is there a huge difference?

Why is there a difference between a one night stand where there was no intention of having a child, and donating? In both situations, the person does not want to take responsibility for the children produced from the act.

Legally there is a difference.

Morally, is there any real difference?

There is also a difference between mans law, and natural law. Mans law grants donation clinics special status, but what about natural law?

Natural law, as you are using it, doesn't exist outside of philosophy.

Also there was a point in the not so distant past, fathers didn't have any obligations to non martial children, and adopted children were looked even more down upon than "bastard" children. The law has changed a lot, but donors and surrogates will never have any legal obligations to the children the begat.

 

[Texashiker]

but donors and surrogates will never have any legal obligations to the children the begat.

What makes those parents any better then animals?

Is there a real difference between someone making a donation at a clinic, and a male dog hooking up with a female dog in heat? Both males do their thing, leave, and have no moral obligation to the offspring.

Even in the animal world, some species share the rearing of the offspring. Should the penguin hold more respect then someone who donates at a clinic? Penguins take turns holding the egg on their feet so the mom and dad can take breaks to go eat. That is more then some human parents will ever do for their children.