Montana Man Slams 13-Year-Old to Ground, Fracturing His Skull, for Not Removing Hat During Anthem

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ImpulsE69

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Not talking about gun culture. I'm talking about the culture of misogyny, violence, and entitlement that leads to both localized domestic violence, and nearly every mass shooter. It's a subset of men and what are men doing to respond to it? Or do you simply just accept it as a reality that people are going to get mass murdered from time to time and no one should bother trying to stop it? You see it as a quixotic pursuit?

I don't think I want to type enough to go into the book required to go over everything about these questions, so I'll keep it simple and state that I am not for 'not doing anything'. I've posted suggestions in other threads. I'm for finding the actual cause because I don't believe a person being shot is any more tragic than what happened to this kid. I am all for stricter gun laws. Finding a happy medium is the problem - because no matter what laws go into play, I don't think it will stop gun violence. It certainly won't stop violence in general. We live in a country where people randomly walk up to people passing by on the street and punch them in the face so they can post the video on the internet. No, it's going to require a lot more than gun control to fix what is going on here.
 

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And I agree, but again you're putting numbers on it as if 1 bullet is any different than 12. I'm trying to understand the mindset that says when someone gets shot it is more tragic than if something else happens to them.

1 life or 12 lives, no difference, amirite?

You literally brought the gun bs into the thread. How about address the topic, and leave it at that, assuming you're being honest in this post.
 

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1 life or 12 lives, no difference, amirite?

As long as it didn't come from a gun it's no concern of yours amirite?

Wanna fix the world? Let's take some other countries approach: Break a law, lose the limb. Everybody wins.
 
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Amused

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Why is this thread being hijacked by an irrelevant gun debate to distract from the fascist nationalism that is the subject of this thread?

Imagine thinking that a piece of fabric was more important than a child's right to have a fully intact skull.
 

ImpulsE69

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Why is this thread being hijacked by an irrelevant gun debate to distract from the fascist nationalism that is the subject of this thread?

I'll apologize for that. It was not my intent. However, you cannot segregate this from the other violence that is occurring. It is all related even if a gun wasn't used. (which was my initial point).
 

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As long as it didn't come from a gun it's no concern of yours amirite?

Wanna fix the world? Let's take some other countries approach: Break a law, lose the limb. Everybody wins.

Strawman for the win. I've said nothing to infer what you're trying to say ive said.

You, on the other hand, are replying like a jackass. For some reason, you can't bring yourself to admit that guns are really good at their job, even better than hands.

And in the end, you come off like a callous dick who can't seem to comprehend the difference between 1 and 12 lives. They both (and each number between) hold value.

The OP is indeed a terrible situation. Even tragic that nationalism leads people to think this is ok, or even justified. You want to pursue mental health problems as the root cause, youll see me agreeing with you.

You want to pretend like guns don't enable people to cause extensive harm, injuries, or casualties in a very short amount of time, well...you won't get me to stand with you.
 

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Strawman for the win. I've said nothing to infer what you're trying to say ive said.

You, on the other hand, are replying like a jackass. For some reason, you can't bring yourself to admit that guns are really good at their job, even better than hands.

And in the end, you come off like a callous dick who can't seem to comprehend the difference between 1 and 12 lives. They both (and each number between) hold value.

The OP is indeed a terrible situation. Even tragic that nationalism leads people to think this is ok, or even justified. You want to pursue mental health problems as the root cause, youll see me agreeing with you.

You want to pretend like guns don't enable people to cause extensive harm, injuries, or casualties in a very short amount of time, well...you won't get me to stand with you.

You're making assumptions and inferring things I've never said. Huh...wow...crazy right? So then you resort to name calling. That's the internet way of saying 'you lost the argument'.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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You're making assumptions and inferring things I've never said. Huh...wow...crazy right? So then you resort to name calling. That's the internet way of saying 'you lost the argument'.

Your callous indifference is dually noted.

You've had multiple chances to deny what I've said repeatedly. You haven't.
 
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Why is this thread being hijacked by an irrelevant gun debate to distract from the fascist nationalism that is the subject of this thread?

Imagine thinking that a piece of fabric was more important than a child's right to have a fully intact skull.
If a child is allowed to wear a hat during the anthem, then the terrorists win.
 

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Here is a man who was told he was worthless and needed his head slammed into the ground as a child if he showed disrespect to authority. He is a Stockholm victim, a terrorist perp. His intent was to brutally punish what he was warned never to be by threat of it happening to him. We become what we fear and will never easily consciously remember what that is. The last thing authoritarians believe in is the concept of seeking mental help. Discipline, Order, Respect with all of it's emotional numbness. There is only love, the one truth we all stand in terror of.
 

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Your callous indifference is dually noted.

You've had multiple chances to deny what I've said repeatedly. You haven't.

You mean where you made wrong assumptions and statements about my position and character on the matter? I'm having a genuine conversation. You're the one getting bent out of shape because you disagree. It's typical ATOT mentality. Nothing I've said is out of line and I didn't ignore your obvious bait questions. I know it sucks when people throw your own bs back at you, hopefully it makes you realize how bad it looks.
 
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Here is the basic answer: You can't stop violence. It is a part of human nature. No society has ever been so peaceful that they did not have homicides much less fights. So the argument that we just need to stop the violence is not a realistic solution.
 
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ch33zw1z

Lifer
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You mean where you made wrong assumptions and statements about my position and character on the matter? I'm having a genuine conversation. You're the one getting bent out of shape because you disagree. It's typical ATOT mentality. Nothing I've said is out of line and I didn't ignore your obvious bait questions.

We disagree with how effective guns are at ending life. And if we don't, then you need to reconsider your replies here.

We also disagree with the value of life. Again, if we don't then Reconsider your replies in this thread.
 

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We disagree with how effective guns are at ending life. And if we don't, then you need to reconsider your replies here.

We also disagree with the value of life. Again, if we don't then Reconsider your replies in this thread.

That's just it. We do agree on those. We disagree on the issues behind them and how to resolve them.
 

ch33zw1z

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That's just it. We do agree on those. We disagree on the issues behind them and how to resolve them.

I dont think we do. I think you may have been trying to play the "gotcha" game here. I think increased gun control via heavily scrutinized mental health condition is a good first start. Maybe review some of my posts, as I've already said this. I also do not think it's the ONLY thing we can do.
 

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You all know of course that this all never would have happened if the kid was wearing a red MAGA cap, right?