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ch33zw1z

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Future Trump cabinet nominee

Why not, has everyone forgotten how Trump praised the other guy from Montana for body slamming a reporter?

https://www.apnews.com/b154544a9a9c42ab8d77b8848313c324

This is conservatives in our country:

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ImpulsE69

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Guns make ending life super easy. There is not a honest person who would argue otherwise. The man here could have mowed down dozens of people before anyone could stop him. How many people would you speculate he could have beaten to death before anyone stopped him?

Like I said, what sad commentary from you. The argument is not whether or not people are violent, it's how much they get to impact others before it stops.

So again, it's about the sensationalism rather than the actual background causing the issue to begin with. The sad commentary is that people keep falling for it. Any action against another human is bad. 1 or a dozen it doesn't matter.
 

ch33zw1z

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So again, it's about the sensationalism rather than the actual background causing the issue to begin with. The sad commentary is that people keep falling for it. Any action against another human is bad. 1 or a dozen it doesn't matter.

Answer the question then. How many peoe do you think he could beat to death before someone stopped him versus how many could he shoot to death?

If you dont think 1 or a dozen matters, then you should try talking to 1 or a dozen families about the death of their loved ones. Or maybe 5 or 6 dozen at a time like in Vegas. It's about how much we are willing to let violent people impact the world around them. You need to be honest with yourself here.
 
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ImpulsE69

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Answer the question then. How many peoe do you think he could beat to death before someone stopped him versus how many could he shoot to death?

If you dont think 1 or a dozen matters, then you should try talking to 1 or a dozen families about the death of their lives ones. Or maybe 5 or 6 dozen at a time like in Vegas. It's about how much we are willing to let violent people impact the world around them. You need to be honest with yourself here.

So you're still saying it's about the sensationalism. That is pure emotion behind your statement. Be honest with yourself. You aren't even trying to look for another answer even when faced with incidents like this where no gun is involved (and there are others daily). I'm not saying you are okay with this, but how is this any less tragic? Because numbers? You're trying to lean on numbers now, but I guess I'd ask back, what number is acceptable to you? What number makes you feel okay with the world? Then ask yourself are guns the real issue or is it just really shitty humans looking for excuses and ways to hurt others. Then maybe you'll understand why I think the gun angle is a bunch of bs.

In the time it will take to 'remove guns' from the equation, there are other things that also will take time that need to be addressed, and frankly, no one is even talking about those. It's just guns guns guns.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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So you're still saying it's about the sensationalism. That is pure emotion behind your statement. Be honest with yourself. You aren't even trying to look for another answer even when faced with incidents like this where no gun is involved (and there are others daily). I'm not saying you are okay with this, but how is this any less tragic? Because numbers? You're trying to lean on numbers now, but I guess I'd ask back, what number is acceptable to you? What number makes you feel okay with the world? Then ask yourself are guns the real issue or is it just really shitty humans looking for excuses and ways to hurt others.

You brought guns up right away. I've repeatedly called for more strict screenings on this forum, in real life, and specifically mental health screenings.

There's is not acceptable number. Yet, that doesn't mean that 1 versus 12 is inconsequential. That's ridiculous.

I'll take your inability to even offer a speculative answer as your answer. It's obvious that killing machines are extremely effective at their only job in life, and an honest person would be able to admit that.

Your callous indifference is sad.
 
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jackstar7

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So you're still saying it's about the sensationalism. That is pure emotion behind your statement. Be honest with yourself. You aren't even trying to look for another answer even when faced with incidents like this where no gun is involved (and there are others daily). I'm not saying you are okay with this, but how is this any less tragic? Because numbers? You're trying to lean on numbers now, but I guess I'd ask back, what number is acceptable to you? What number makes you feel okay with the world? Then ask yourself are guns the real issue or is it just really shitty humans looking for excuses and ways to hurt others. Then maybe you'll understand why I think the gun angle is a bunch of bs.

In the time it will take to 'remove guns' from the equation, there are other things that also will take time that need to be addressed, and frankly, no one is even talking about that. It's just guns guns guns.
Pretending emotions are not a part of life is really really stupid.

Also, people talking about getting rid of the guns are also talking about how men need to figure out how to operate within society. Too many are rapists and we need to shut this whole thing down until we can figure it out. Also, where were they radicalized?
 

ImpulsE69

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I'll take your inability to even offer a speculative answer as your answer. It's obvious that killing machines are extremely effective at their only job in life, and an honest person would be able to admit that.

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There was no inability, it simply wasn't necessary to answer because you know I know the answer just as well as you. It made no difference to the conversation other than you trying to prove a point that I addressed multiple times.
 

ImpulsE69

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Pretending emotions are not a part of life is really really stupid.

Also, people talking about getting rid of the guns are also talking about how men need to figure out how to operate within society. Too many are rapists and we need to shut this whole thing down until we can figure it out. Also, where were they radicalized?

People don't always make the best decisions when emotions are involved...aka Trump in office as an example. No one is disputing emotions are a way of life, but it is about being objective in emotional situations, or you just end up with a bunch of 'but think of the children' moments.
 

ch33zw1z

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There was no inability, it simply wasn't necessary to answer because you know I know the answer just as well as you. It made no difference to the conversation other than you trying to prove a point that I addressed multiple times.

The answer, to an honest person, would have been simple. Guns enable a person to cause large amounts of death in a very short amount of time. That's a fact.

You brought guns up in your first reply to the topic. As I said, your callous indifference is sad.
 

BoomerD

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What the fuck do guns have to do with this thread?

No one was shot, no one (apparently) even had a gun...

Stop dragging every thread into "OMFG! Guns are bad!"
 

ImpulsE69

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The answer, to an honest person, would have been simple. Guns enable a person to cause large amounts of death in a very short amount of time. That's a fact.

You brought guns up in your first reply to the topic. As I said, your callous indifference is sad.

And I agree, but again you're putting numbers on it as if 1 bullet is any different than 12. I'm trying to understand the mindset that says when someone gets shot it is more tragic than if something else happens to them.
 

IronWing

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People don't always make the best decisions when emotions are involved...aka Trump in office as an example. No one is disputing emotions are a way of life, but it is about being objective in emotional situations, or you just end up with a bunch of 'but think of the children' moments.
We gave up on "think of the children" after Sandy Hook. it turns out that we don't really give a shit about children.
 

ImpulsE69

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What the fuck do guns have to do with this thread?

No one was shot, no one (apparently) even had a gun...

Stop dragging every thread into "OMFG! Guns are bad!"

You can blame me for that..but I'm trying to get to the point.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
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What the fuck do guns have to do with this thread?

No one was shot, no one (apparently) even had a gun...

Stop dragging every thread into "OMFG! Guns are bad!"
Read the thread. Impulse brought the gun to a "drop on your head" fight.
 

jackstar7

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People don't always make the best decisions when emotions are involved...aka Trump in office as an example. No one is disputing emotions are a way of life, but it is about being objective in emotional situations, or you just end up with a bunch of 'but think of the children' moments.
Do you imagine yourself being objective? Do you know that you don't come off that way?

Also, what is your answer to the culture of men that subscribe to misogyny, guns, and entitlement?
 

jackstar7

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I know that...guns still don't belong in this.
No one is coming to take away your precious. Relax.

Well, except me. I want to take all the guns away, but I'm powerless to do so, so again, relax, dude.

We can talk about guns in every thread. They're pretty top-of-mind right now.
 

BoomerD

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BoomerD

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No one is coming to take away your precious. Relax.

Well, except me. I want to take all the guns away, but I'm powerless to do so, so again, relax, dude.

We can talk about guns in every thread. They're pretty top-of-mind right now.

I don't currently own any guns...so good luck taking them, but you might as well bash your head repeatedly into a moving semi as to take away the guns. Thankfully, the second amendment exists to prevent that.

So...we're gonna turn EVERY thread into a "Guns are BAD!" thread now?

Seems like that's only gonna serve to dilute your message rather than enhance it.
 

ImpulsE69

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Do you imagine yourself being objective? Do you know that you don't come off that way?

Also, what is your answer to the culture of men that subscribe to misogyny, guns, and entitlement?

You probably also think based on my pro gun stance that I own guns right? You can't always tell everything about someone from their posts.

I'm not really clear on your question. Gun culture is real, I don't deny that. I do think there is a culture of 'bad men', but that has always existed since the dawn of civilization..generally alpha males, etc. Misogyny plays a role in there by default as well. Ratio wise, much of the bad side of all of this is down, but the population being higher than ever ups the overall numbers of 'bad' incidents. The immediate media coverage makes it seem far worse than it is. In no way am I downplaying anything. I'm actually trying to accomplish the opposite. I don't know which entitlement you are referring to. White privledge? Or just general entitlement held by practically everyone?
 

jackstar7

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I don't currently own any guns...so good luck taking them, but you might as well bash your head repeatedly into a moving semi as to take away the guns. Thankfully, the second amendment exists to prevent that.

So...we're gonna turn EVERY thread into a "Guns are BAD!" thread now?

Seems like that's only gonna serve to dilute your message rather than enhance it.

My point was calm down. Let people talk about what they want, thread policeman, but thanks for suggesting suicide over another consideration of the wording of 2A. Brave of you.

You probably also think based on my pro gun stance that I own guns right? You can't always tell everything about someone from their posts.

I'm not really clear on your question. Gun culture is real, I don't deny that. I do think there is a culture of 'bad men', but that has always existed since the dawn of civilization..generally alpha males, etc. Misogyny plays a role in there by default as well. Ratio wise, much of the bad side of all of this is down, but the population being higher than ever ups the overall numbers of 'bad' incidents. The immediate media coverage makes it seem far worse than it is. In no way am I downplaying anything. I'm actually trying to accomplish the opposite. I don't know which entitlement you are referring to. White privledge? Or just general entitlement held by practically everyone?

Not talking about gun culture. I'm talking about the culture of misogyny, violence, and entitlement that leads to both localized domestic violence, and nearly every mass shooter. It's a subset of men and what are men doing to respond to it? Or do you simply just accept it as a reality that people are going to get mass murdered from time to time and no one should bother trying to stop it? You see it as a quixotic pursuit?
 

BoomerD

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My point was calm down. Let people talk about what they want, thread policeman, but thanks for suggesting suicide over another consideration of the wording of 2A. Brave of you.

Not suggesting suicide...merely saying you will accomplish as much by doing that as you will trying to take away guns.