I'm setting up a new audio system and am looking for a recommendation for cables that are good, but not as expensive as Monster Cables.
Monster Cable Substitute
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If you don't want to do the diy route, try acoustic research cables, you can get them at Best Buy. About 50-60% cheaper than monster, same quality and everything. Keep in mind that if you are doing digital (optical (toslink), digital coax, etc.) its not going to matter how good or how crappy the cable is, just as long as it gets there. For everything else (S-video, component, composite, whatever), try to get some pretty good cables, especially if you have some nice equipment.
Accessories4less.com has some deals sometimes on higher end stuff.
FWIW, I don't buy Monster on principal but I have lots of AR cables. If I had $10,000 components, I would probably go a little more high end but for my equipment, AR is probably just fine.
FWIW, I don't buy Monster on principal but I have lots of AR cables. If I had $10,000 components, I would probably go a little more high end but for my equipment, AR is probably just fine.
I have well over $10,000 in speakers alone.
Let me assure you copper wire is copper wire.
There are only so many mines, and so many extrusion facilities.
They are all they same except for the jacket.
That is right - the copper wire in all the different brands of audiophool wire is extruded from the same exact plant.
Some wire companies add in resistors, which makes short runs sound liek long runs of wire.
What matters marketing.
NO ONE HAS EVER DISTINGUISHED BETWEEN ELECTRICAL LAMP CORD WIRE CUT FROM A 20 YEAR OLD LAMP, AND UBER EXPENSIVE CABLES IN ANY ABX TEST DONE.
Let me assure you copper wire is copper wire.
There are only so many mines, and so many extrusion facilities.
They are all they same except for the jacket.
That is right - the copper wire in all the different brands of audiophool wire is extruded from the same exact plant.
Some wire companies add in resistors, which makes short runs sound liek long runs of wire.
What matters marketing.
NO ONE HAS EVER DISTINGUISHED BETWEEN ELECTRICAL LAMP CORD WIRE CUT FROM A 20 YEAR OLD LAMP, AND UBER EXPENSIVE CABLES IN ANY ABX TEST DONE.
Here are my data and testing conditions.
Prove me wrong.
No one selling these expensive wires has been able to.
I doubt someoen from ATOT is goign to chaneg that.
http://www.pcavtech.com/abx/abx_wire.htm
Prove me wrong.
No one selling these expensive wires has been able to.
I doubt someoen from ATOT is goign to chaneg that.
http://www.pcavtech.com/abx/abx_wire.htm
ahem. Some speakers are more susceptible to wire than others. Particularily electrostats where it has been proven that you get high frequency rolloff on the order of 2-3 dbs with certain cable.
Go look at the testing results.
Read what I said.
That will cause a 2 to 3db roll off on the highs (duh) They have built a wire with resistors, so it is by definition a fvcking crossover. And by definition makign the sound worse.
We can duplice this easily.
So, if the $1,000 per foot cable has a resistor in it, we can take our lamp cord and add a resistor to it also.
Run the ABX test, they sound the same. If they sound the same, there is clearly no way to say one sounds better or worse from listening, but we can assume the one rolling off the highs is less desirable, unless of course you like that sound. Who can argue with a persons subjective opinion. Point is, let's say you like that? You want to add a resistor to some zip cord or pay $2,000? WHy do you think they are called audiophools?
Wire manufaturers have been invited to disprove this with any speaker and any listenign material. None have succeded.
I'm so sick of hearing this. SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH. Of all the topics that have been discussed once every three days, THIS is the one.
do a simple search for
"cable"
and there are 8 topics similar to this one.
To save you the trouble;
buy Acoustic Research
do a simple search for
"cable"
and there are 8 topics similar to this one.
To save you the trouble;
buy Acoustic Research
No, the conclusion is buy cheap crap from home depot. Obviously you have either not searched or not read my extensive testing and supporting data.
Right, with music no one can tell.
With test tones, some can tell.
BUT, it is nto an apples ot apples test. IN all those cases, one of the wires, always the uber expensive one, has a resister soildered into it inside the connector. So, If we add the same value resistor to the zip cord, it will be indistiguishable from the Uber cable even with test tones.
I have searched, and does your data take into consideration the difference between analog and digital??
If you search you will find that while the actual CABLE might be the same, AR gets you better connectors. So while your cable might be the same now, what about in 8 months? Feel like dragging your tv out and jiggling the interconnects?
"There goes your daaata, out the window.." (to the tune of that doggie in the window)
Nor have you done the math on a 15Khz wave on a 1 ohm speaker and compared the results from lamp cord and thicker stuff give the appropriate impedance/capacitance of each cable at 10 feet.
AR like others have said, are probably fine.. Ive got AR in my home theater setup.. I only bought them cause they were available. matters not to me..
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