Monsanto flavored corn coming to walmart

[xBiffx]

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18563_162-4048288.html

Again, nothing but bullshit. Read something with some background instead of cooked up fanatical news stories.

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/brs/aphisdocs/09_20101p_fpra.pdf

The cross pollination rate (with and without pollinators) is less than 1.5% beyond one meter from the pollen source (Garber, et al., 1926; Carviness, 1966; Ahrent et al., 1994; Ray, et al., 2003; Yoshimura, et al., 2006). At greater distances from the pollen source, cross pollination rates decrease rapidly. Based upon these factors, it is unlikely that MON 87705 will naturally outcross or hybridize to a significant extent with other soybean varieties in agricultural settings.

Quite simply put if there are more than 1.5% of the crops in the farmer's field that have the GM gene then the farmer is lying. This is true of all soybean and why it is one of the few GM crops that is sold with the ability to reproduce. Its a selfing plant meaning it naturally pollinates itself and not other plants nearby. Keep in mind that if a farmer is caught saving seed from a harvest and using the following year(s) they face hefty fines. These farmers got caught stealing and no amount of bullshit is going to change that. Trying to sensationalize this into an evil company preys on poor farmer story is only bringing the support of the fanatics.

 

[feralkid]

Bullshit. I'm calling the left out in their anti science stance in this issue. The left is against progress. I am specicly calling the libtard out to show me via life experience on why and how BT is a bad thing. It's been used for decades.

I am exposing the liberal anti science and hypocrisy.

So go on libtards. How do you control worms on cabbage families? No googling. Let me know how the libtard does it.

I'm all ears. Yep, ears. How do you control the worms?

Dude, terms like "libtard" "tard" and "retard" could be harmful to your credibility.

 

[SagaLore]

Again, nothing but bullshit. Read something with some background instead of cooked up fanatical news stories.

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/brs/aphisdocs/09_20101p_fpra.pdf

The cross pollination rate (with and without pollinators) is less than 1.5% beyond one meter from the pollen source (Garber, et al., 1926; Carviness, 1966; Ahrent et al., 1994; Ray, et al., 2003; Yoshimura, et al., 2006). At greater distances from the pollen source, cross pollination rates decrease rapidly. Based upon these factors, it is unlikely that MON 87705 will naturally outcross or hybridize to a significant extent with other soybean varieties in agricultural settings.

Quite simply put if there are more than 1.5% of the crops in the farmer's field that have the GM gene then the farmer is lying. This is true of all soybean and why it is one of the few GM crops that is sold with the ability to reproduce. Its a selfing plant meaning it naturally pollinates itself and not other plants nearby. Keep in mind that if a farmer is caught saving seed from a harvest and using the following year(s) they face hefty fines. These farmers got caught stealing and no amount of bullshit is going to change that. Trying to sensationalize this into an evil company preys on poor farmer story is only bringing the support of the fanatics.

Thanks for the report. I actually had fun reading through it... it spends a lot of time showing that MON 87705 "Vistive Gold" soybeans should not spread on its own, since the wild version that grows in Asia does.

Weediness for the purposes of this part of the plant pest risk assessment is an attribute, which causes a crop to act as a weed due to the addition of genes (compared to the non-GE plant). If the fitness of MON 87705 improves in natural or agricultural ecosystems due to the inserted DNA, the potential for weediness could increase. The following analysis of the inserted DNA is intended to document that MON 87705 has a negligible likelihood of increased weediness.

So let's look at some tests that aren't part of that document.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15612278

In total, 73 512 potential hybrid plants were examined and natural cross-pollination rates ranged from 0.41% at 0.9 m from the pollen source to 0.03% at 5.4 m from the pollen source. These values were consistent with values previously reported in the literature. In the second experiment, seed of Pace and DP3588 were alternately sown 15.2 cm apart within a row in 2001. At maturity, 167 Pace plants (white-flowered) were harvested and a total of 19,151 progeny were evaluated for natural cross-pollinations in the next generation. The progeny of 56 (33.5%) of the 167 parent plants showed no evidence of natural cross-pollination. The progeny of the remaining 111 plants exhibited natural cross-pollination rates ranging from 0.65 to 6.32% and averaged 1.8%. The maximum rates reported here are considerably higher than most previously reported rates.

http://www.ars.usda.gov/research/publications/publications.htm?seq_no_115=193329

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[/SIZE][/FONT]Our results indicated that yield heterosis greater than 10% is attainable and suggest that higher levels may be possible.
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Wait a minute... so even though soybeans are self-pollinating, cross pollination can still occur through insect assistance? Who would have thought.

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[xBiffx]

http://www.ars.usda.gov/research/pub..._no_115=193329

Quote:
Insect-Mediated Cross-Pollination in Soybean
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Our results indicated that yield heterosis greater than 10% is attainable and suggest that higher levels may be possible.


Wait a minute... so even though soybeans are self-pollinating, cross pollination can still occur through insect assistance? Who would have thought.

Sure cross pollination can occur. Just because a plant is self pollinating doesn't mean that nearby plants can't pollinate it. It just isn't required for two plants to produce sexually rather one can do it asexually in order for the species to propagate itself.

I can't open the full text of the study that you linked but if its the one I am thinking of then it proves nothing as far as the case with the farmers go. Manual pollination by people is very labor intensive and time consuming and therefore very costly. Researches tried to see if there was perhaps a way to get insects, mostly bees, to do that work for them. They set up an experiment to test this idea. Again, if this is the same study, they used two plots right next to each other and placed a bee hive box right in the middle of the two. This way pollen would be mix between bees and indirect cross pollination could occur. Basically all they found out is that it can occur and even upwards of 10% but this is only under optimal conditions. The plots have to be very close (i.e. adjacent) to each other.

As far as the case of the big bad M vs. the little farmer goes, this proves nothing for the farmer. Unless of course, the farmer's field is right next to a parent plot of M's which is not going to happen. Also, even if there was one close by, it would take a miracle for insects to travel ever so perfectly between the two plots. Again, virtually impossible.

 

[SagaLore]

As far as the case of the big bad M vs. the little farmer goes

I have to side with you on that case.

Monsanto wins lawsuit against Indiana soybean farmer

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/21/us-monsanto-lawsuit-idUSTRE78K79O20110921

and this is why:

In Bowman's case, he planted Roundup Ready seeds as his first-crop in each growing season from 1999-2007 and did not save seed in compliance with licensing agreements. But he also purchased commodity seed from a local grain elevator for a late-season planting, or what is known as a "second-crop."


The farmer applied glyphosate to his second soybean crops and was able to identify herbicide-resistant plants, from which he then saved seed for subsequent years of second-crop planting, according to the court documents.

What an asshat.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Yeah!

How dare a farmer save seeds from his crop to plant the next season.

I mean, what is he, some sort of agriculturist libtard or something?


>wark<

 

[dainthomas]

Bt is awesome, and it the latest buzzword - organic.

Arsenic and lead are organic too.