Monsanto flavored corn coming to walmart

[dmcowen674]

Monsanto and Walmart are going to save the world by eliminating all competition.

That's so awesome

 

[Modelworks]

The problem I have with modifying food genetically isn't with the idea of doing it , it is how they are doing it. I don't have issues with modifying food by selective growing for different traits to make a better plant, that process has been going on in farming for centuries and is very safe. I have a problem with taking genetic code that could have never been part of the plant and inserting it into the plants genetics. When you take something like a fruits ability to repel pest and insert that genetic code into something like a carrot I think that is going too far and there is no possible way to know the full outcome without decades of testing.

Right now there are corn crops that monsanto created which have no resistance to certain diseases because monsanto assumed their version would be able to fight all diseases, they designed the corn to be really strong fighters of the specific diseases. What they didn't count on is nature evolving the disease and now the corn that was great at fighting disease can't fight off the new disease because their version was so specific at concentrating what they thought was the key to disease protection that they lacked the variations that nature provides.

 

[Doppel]

Is it true this GMO product can upset/kill desirable bacteria in the stomach of humans?

BTW, let's stop comparing the benefit of a potentially unsafe food to starvation in the US. It's irrelevant. We could go back to whatever the hell Grandpa Dickens used to do back in 1950 (before round-up for example) and not starve as there is a huge surplus here with whatever selectively bred products existed then. I agree that even if there is risk it's worth selling this stuff to people who otherwise would literally starve, but it's not an argument fit for the US market.

I don't care that you don't eat dogs, fuck you, shit is the same thing.

No, it really isn't, and you just said why; because we don't eat dogs. If, for example, genetically modifying a creature or plant meant that within 2 weeks of consumption you grow a third eye and then turn into a jelly monster, who eats dogs? Nobody in North America, so who cares, but we do eat plants.

I don't have much of an opinion either way. I can't even be bothered to wiki the safety impact of these yet.

 

[dmcowen674]

Right now there are corn crops that monsanto created which have no resistance to certain diseases because monsanto assumed their version would be able to fight all diseases

What?

I thought they were better than Nature itself?

How can that be?

 

[William Gaatjes]

What?

I thought they were better than Nature itself?

How can that be?

Well, what modelworks explains, is something that is of great concern.
And it is already occurring. Also do not forget that building up these massive quantities of Bt toxin requires more nutrients and water. I wonder if we would create a diagram, if the offset is worth it. I mean when not using Bt corn, there will be losses of corn. When using Bt corn there will also be losses of corn with the addition of more nutrient uptake. It seems from articles and research that the Bt rice version in India consume a lot more water... Handy in those parts of the world where there already is not that much water.
And it seems nature is already adapting at a faster rate to deal with Bt toxin.
This large scale production of Bt toxin vegetables, will increase the chance of many insects becoming resistant at once. Only one gene is necessary and it will be incorporated massively. Simply because our little bacteria friends are constantly looking for shelter. And insects able to resist Bt toxin are more likely to be good shelter. Guess where bacteria will end up which are able to neutralize the toxin for the insects ? Symbiotic relationships are very normal in nature. It seems almost a controlled loop.


If i apply hyperbolic thinking :

1. Monsanto patents as much as vegetable genomes as possible.
2. Monsanto is the only supplier for those genomes.
3. Monsanto modifies genome, the plant becomes more resistant against disease A, but is vulnerable for disease B.
4. Monsanto is willing to sell a new and improved version for a price.
5. If refused, prices increase...

The model of Monsanto is the perfect market model.

 

[Jhhnn]

Genetic engineering is a whole different level of genetic modification than selective breeding & hybridization. The law of unintended consequences looms large, but Monsanto & their fanbois can't seem to see that. Human introduction of invasive species into various ecosystems is already a problem- the creation of GM plants has the same sort of potential, writ very, very large.

 

[zinfamous]

It's gotta be the drugs.

lmao, i got beat to it.

 

[zinfamous]

Everything you eat has been genetically modified, like it or not.

that's a very simplified understanding--not really your fault.

GMO /= generations of selective breeding.

GMO should simply be called transgenic, but then idiots would make jokes about transgendered vegetables. :hmm:

 

[William Gaatjes]

Genetic engineering is a whole different level of genetic modification than selective breeding & hybridization. The law of unintended consequences looms large, but Monsanto & their fanbois can't seem to see that. Human introduction of invasive species into various ecosystems is already a problem- the creation of GM plants has the same sort of potential, writ very, very large.

Indeed. I do think that epi genetics is a true wonder of the toolkits of nature.
As is symbiotic relationships. Bacteria can adapt by the use of bacteriophages really really fast. This allows bacteria to add, modify or lose genes quickly. Or a combination of the three.
The evolutionary dice :
Try different combinations multiple times and execute in parallel at the same time. No need for intelligence on a local scale, just massively parallel.
A tool that is successfully applied in nature often.
Bacteria can perform certain functions better then larger lifeforms and it is now pretty well understood that all larger lifeforms on this planet have some sort of symbiotic relationship with microbiological lifeforms such as bacteria.

The only lucky situation we might get from all this experimenting, is that after a massive increase in corn consuming insects, the natural versions of the crop will probably be left alone or at least losses will remain at the same level.

 

[zinfamous]

The problem I have with modifying food genetically isn't with the idea of doing it , it is how they are doing it. I don't have issues with modifying food by selective growing for different traits to make a better plant, that process has been going on in farming for centuries and is very safe. I have a problem with taking genetic code that could have never been part of the plant and inserting it into the plants genetics. When you take something like a fruits ability to repel pest and insert that genetic code into something like a carrot I think that is going too far and there is no possible way to know the full outcome without decades of testing.

Right now there are corn crops that monsanto created which have no resistance to certain diseases because monsanto assumed their version would be able to fight all diseases, they designed the corn to be really strong fighters of the specific diseases. What they didn't count on is nature evolving the disease and now the corn that was great at fighting disease can't fight off the new disease because their version was so specific at concentrating what they thought was the key to disease protection that they lacked the variations that nature provides.

The other big issue with Monsanto is that they aren't simply making plants resistant, they are making them sterile; they are providing plants that more or less terrorize a field--such that only Monsanto's sterile plants will grow there, which you have to re-up every season. They have proprietized agriculture--they are trying to own the world food supply.

Perfect example of insidious, unchecked capitalism.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I wonder if Monsanto has GMO vinegar and if so, do you have to show your ID to purchase the vinegar?

 

[zinfamous]

I wonder if Monsanto has GMO vinegar and if so, do you have to show your ID to purchase the vinegar?

:hmm:

would have to be Target, though.

 

[dmcowen674]

:hmm:

would have to be Target, though.

and has to be Balsamic.

Don't forget that part.

 

[Lalakai]

read the info and decide for yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto
you can check and see how many Monsanto individuals have been put into FDA and university positions.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/12/10/dr-don-huber-interview-part-1.aspx though there are some that believe this letter and study a fraud. decide for yourself http://news.uns.purdue.edu/html4ever/0012.Huber.deficiency.html but there's no doubt that he does exist and was at Purdue.

http://ag.udel.edu/rec/WeedScience/SoyGuideWeb/SoyWeedguide.pdf read pgs 3-4 regarding roundup resistant weeds

http://www.rense.com/general33/legal.htm

http://world-wire.com/news/0908120002.html

http://www.infowars.com/help-stop-former-monsanto-vp-from-attaining-top-position-at-the-fda/

http://www.annieappleseedproject.org/monfdausgovc.html

you can find countless more articles, and read the pressure that is being put on Europe to force them to drop the ban on GM products.

 

[Darwin333]

The problem is they patent it in such a way that you must continually buy seed from them, can't store any over from the previous harvest,

or worse yet if your crop gets cross contaminated by their seed they can claim ownership of your harvest and sue you even though you never bought or used their seed.

http://www.percyschmeiser.com/conflict.htm

http://www.triplepundit.com/2011/04/battleground-planting-rights-monsanto-sued-farmers/

I read about that a while back and at least the story I read sounded absurdly fucked up. Although that has nothing to do with the actual product and everything to do with the patent, the company that owns it, and our legal system.

 

[Darwin333]

Liberal hippies that are scared of science complaining about a corporation's product which helps billions of people. What else is new.

Most conservatives complain about the company in question as well. That would probably be because they are pretty much universally known to be a shit stain of a company that use all sorts of fucked up tactics to strong arm not only their customers but people who don't want to do business with them.

 

[monovillage]

Most conservatives complain about the company in question as well. That would probably be because they are pretty much universally known to be a shit stain of a company that use all sorts of fucked up tactics to strong arm not only their customers but people who don't want to do business with them.

I'll add a +1 on this post also.

 

[Throckmorton]

The other big issue with Monsanto is that they aren't simply making plants resistant, they are making them sterile; they are providing plants that more or less terrorize a field--such that only Monsanto's sterile plants will grow there, which you have to re-up every season. They have proprietized agriculture--they are trying to own the world food supply.

Perfect example of insidious, unchecked capitalism.

Being sterile is a good thing. It means the GM genes don't contaminate regular crops.

No one is forcing farmers to buy Monsanto seeds...

 

[waggy]

Being sterile is a good thing. It means the GM genes don't contaminate regular crops.

No one is forcing farmers to buy Monsanto seeds...

yes and no.

good luck finding a non Monsanto seed. there aren't that many. they sue the s hit out of anyone else to run them out of business.

Monsanto is a one company people should really look at.

 

[zinfamous]

Being sterile is a good thing. It means the GM genes don't contaminate regular crops.

No one is forcing farmers to buy Monsanto seeds...

true for the first part.

for the second part--Monsanto is actually forcing people to buy seed that they have not bought--due to cross-pollination. Well, suing them for "patent infringement." You thought Apple was bad? lol.

http://www.triplepundit.com/2011/04/battleground-planting-rights-monsanto-sued-farmers/

Monsanto, simply put, is one of the absolute worst things for the world's food supply.

These fucks need to go.

 

[waggy]

true for the first part.

for the second part--Monsanto is actually forcing people to buy seed that they have not bought--due to cross-pollination. Well, suing them for "patent infringement." You thought Apple was bad? lol.

http://www.triplepundit.com/2011/04/battleground-planting-rights-monsanto-sued-farmers/

Monsanto, simply put, is one of the absolute worst things for the world's food supply.

These fucks need to go.

monsanto has been accused of suing people dragging it on for years in the process bankrupting the farmer just to turn around and drop it when a decision is near.

I know a few farmers. NOT one likes the company yet they have to use them. there is little choice.

 

[allenk09]

Farmers Market here I come!

 

[SagaLore]

Selective breeding and genetic modification are fucking the same thing. Yes I still stand by my canine comment, we have been genetically modifying them for years. We have made them into all different styles for all different types of roles. I don't care that you don't eat dogs, fuck you, shit is the same thing. Do not tell me you're ok with one and not the other. That shit is stupid and arbitrary.

Also, fuck corn. Corn fucking sucks, it is incredibly unhealthy for you and idiots eating that shit deserve to die from shitty crap. Fucking off the species by eating so much of that terrible grass.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and your contributions to this thread are beyond ignorant.

 

[Zivic]

Farmers Market here I come!

and it will be there too. and has been there for yrs.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

and it will be there too. and has been there for yrs.

yep, pollenation is a bitch.