Monsanto flavored corn coming to walmart

[Zivic]

http://nanasilvergrim.cyberguerrilla.info/?p=231



Mmmm sounds delicious, can't wait to poison myself.

BT corn has been around for yrs... this is nothing new.

here's the thing, it will be delicious and you won't be able to tell. When it comes to things like sweet corn, you as a consumer must fall in love with it visually before you will buy anything. Anything truly organic and "un" modified will, for the most part, be so unattractive, no one would buy it.

GMO foods are a positive thing. they allow for us to feed the masses with less acreage.

And you do realize corn isn't a naturally occurring plant? It took yrs and yrs of selective breeding to modify prairie grass into the crop as we know it

 

[monovillage]

I would support legislation that REQUIRES LABELING GMO-produced FOODS.

It's only fair, and allows the citizen to make an informed choice whether or not to purchase and/or eat these crops.

After all, isn't that the pro-capitalist stance? Let the free market decide (fairly) if GMO foods should fail or become popular.

I agree 100%. They should be labeled.

 

[senseamp]

Don't really trust FDA, so I will let the "it's harmless" crowd be the Guinea pigs on this.

 

[1prophet]

While I DO think that genetic modification is on a different level than selective breeding, I also don't get the anti-GM movement. I think genetic modification of our food, as long as it's done safely, is necessary to feed an ever increasing population. I'd be interested in seeing evidence that genetically modifying food is inherently unsafe, but that evidence seems a bit lacking, IMO.

The problem is they patent it in such a way that you must continually buy seed from them, can't store any over from the previous harvest,

or worse yet if your crop gets cross contaminated by their seed they can claim ownership of your harvest and sue you even though you never bought or used their seed.

http://www.percyschmeiser.com/conflict.htm

http://www.triplepundit.com/2011/04/battleground-planting-rights-monsanto-sued-farmers/

 

[spidey07]

I agree 100%. They should be labeled.

The worst words ever spoken are.

There ought to be a law. BT is awesome.

 

[Rainsford]

Bfdd. It's exactly the same thing. People need to understand we've been doing it for millennia. If my cabbage crops grew with BT in them I'd be a happy man.

Same with hybrids vs heirlooms. The heirlooms taste the best, but are highly susceptible to disease and bugs. Not so with hybrids. If folks grew their own food they would know this, not some scare piece on the intarweb. Personal experience and knowledge trumps intarweb.

BT is awsome. Actually it's better than awesome. It's the best there is. Love it. Highly likely the food you eat, BT was used. It's one of the few things ill use on my plants because of how safe and awesome it is.

I don't have a problem with genetic modification, but it's clearly not exactly the same thing as selective breeding or plant grafting or any of those type of things. The things we've been doing for thousands of years are taking advantage of and encouraging development of naturally occurring traits. Genetic modification is creating entirely new traits by directly changing DNA in whatever way we choose. Take the recent case of scientists being able to genetically modify a dog to glow in the dark. No amount of "millennia old techniques" are going to produce that.

I'd agree that in some ways genetic modification is basically a continuation of things we've done for a long time, but it's able to go MUCH farther than we could have in the past. I view that as a good thing, for what it's worth.

 

[Rainsford]

The problem is they patent it in such a way that you must continually buy seed from them, can't store any over from the previous harvest,

or worse yet if your crop gets cross contaminated by their seed they can claim ownership of your harvest and sue you even though you never bought or used their seed.

http://www.percyschmeiser.com/conflict.htm

http://www.triplepundit.com/2011/04/battleground-planting-rights-monsanto-sued-farmers/

That's not really an argument against GM foods, IMO. It's an argument against ridiculous patent laws, which I definitely think need a major overhaul.

 

[monovillage]

The worst words ever spoken are.

There ought to be a law. BT is awesome.

I've got no problem with having the food we eat and is sold at grocery stores be labeled as to it's contents. Including the allowable level of rat feces, mouse hairs, insect parts and dirt or in this case GMO content.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Food_Defect_Action_Levels

If you don't like it, don't eat it.

 

[lothar]

Selective breeding and genetic modification are fucking the same thing. Yes I still stand by my canine comment, we have been genetically modifying them for years. We have made them into all different styles for all different types of roles. I don't care that you don't eat dogs, fuck you, shit is the same thing. Do not tell me you're ok with one and not the other. That shit is stupid and arbitrary.

Also, fuck corn. Corn fucking sucks, it is incredibly unhealthy for you and idiots eating that shit deserve to die from shitty crap. Fucking off the species by eating so much of that terrible grass.

What's the problem with corn?

 

[Dari]

What's the problem with corn?

I think he went FULL RETARD.

 

[monovillage]

What's the problem with corn?

iirc, early versions of corn like those Europeans were exposed to in the new world had very thick skins on the kernels, they needed to be rinsed with a lye solution to help break down those skins. When the grain was shipped back to Europe the little trick about the lye (water run through hardwood ashes usually) didn't make it back and people died while eating corn since their bodies couldn't utilize it.

This is if i'm remembering the Alton Brown episode with his food archaeologist correctly.

 

[disappoint]

Selective breeding and genetic modification are fucking the same thing. Yes I still stand by my canine comment, we have been genetically modifying them for years. We have made them into all different styles for all different types of roles. I don't care that you don't eat dogs, fuck you, shit is the same thing. Do not tell me you're ok with one and not the other. That shit is stupid and arbitrary.

Also, fuck corn. Corn fucking sucks, it is incredibly unhealthy for you and idiots eating that shit deserve to die from shitty crap. Fucking off the species by eating so much of that terrible grass.

Yeah! you tell em man!

Organ failure is ok... because dogs.


I'm not saying it's dogs...but it's dogs.

 

[bradley]

Seeds of Deception: Exposing Industry and Government Lies About the Safety of the Genetically Engineered Foods You're Eating
by Jeffrey M. Smith
http://www.amazon.com/Seeds-Deception-Government-Genetically-Engineered/dp/0972966587

 

[zinfamous]

Bill Gates sees no issue with GMO crops

Monsanto Investor Bill Gates Says GMO Crops Needed to Fight Starvation
http://www.infowars.com/monsanto-investor-bill-gates-says-gmo-crops-needed-to-fight-starvation/

GMO crops are fine, in theory. As practiced by Monsanto, however, they are akin to criminal negligence.

I have no problem with GMO crops--but I have huge problems with Monsanto.

 

[zinfamous]

Not really. It's something that has been genetically modified drastically from the original, some with very very poor results leaving an inferior product. How about the various citrus fruits eh? There are tons and tons of things humans have genetically modified long before the invention of the microscope, so spare me the "ZOMG GENETICALLY MODIFYING SHIT IS BAD!"

People have used dogs for work and play, it's not really a bad comparison. Only if you're silly enough to arbitrarily think it's some how different.

um, no. selection through breeding is quite different from modification through transgenics.

You wanna know home many transgenic mice I have made?

There are arrays of problems when it comes to working with transgenic species, much of it can be summarized with a mild dabbling in the field of epigenetics.

Also, one of the major reasons that transgenic crops were so promising in the 80s, early 90s, was the long-standing understanding in the field, "One gene, One protein."

http://www.accessexcellence.org/RC/AB/BC/One_Gene_One_Enzyme.php
Now, we have since learned that this is not the case. Several studies have shown cases of single genes coding for variations of proteins. The theory is now updated to compensate for this, and on top of this, we know that what is generally referred to as "junk DNA" (non-coding regions of DNA, of which the vast majority of a genome is comprised), is not junk. These regions can and will affect the genes that are in their region, by location, distance, and depending on what type of coding and non-coding regions are near them. Once you start pulling out and replacing specific genes in new regions, without the benefits of generations of dedicated selection, you can have some weird, unpredictable expression (what a gene "does").

Meanwhile, Monsanto had been heavily invested in the future of GMO, and despite our updated understanding of some very fundamental issues of biology, it became quite obvious that a little problem with "facts" wasn't going to stop them pushing their product out in to the world? "You mean we might kill millions of people, spread cancer to an entire continent? Pshhhh, we've already invested Billions! Don't you understand??? BILLIONS!! Heaven forfend...."

I once spoke like you--when I was a wee undergrad with big bright eyes and so fucking sure of myself. But after working in genetics--developmental, transgenics, and now evolutionary genetics over the last 10 year, I can assure you that you are patently wrong about this.


Now--do I think GMo crops can be a great, and essential thing? Yes, I do. But are they ready for prime time? Hell fucking no--and certainly not when Monsanto is involved.

 

[QuantumPion]

Liberal hippies that are scared of science complaining about a corporation's product which helps billions of people. What else is new.

 

[Brainonska511]

rats fed with the GM corn showed organ failure, and the toxin has been detected in the bodies of pregnant women.

Link to said studies. Detected and having a real effect are two different things.

 

[zinfamous]

I've got no problem with having the food we eat and is sold at grocery stores be labeled as to it's contents. Including the allowable level of rat feces, mouse hairs, insect parts and dirt or in this case GMO content.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Food_Defect_Action_Levels

If you don't like it, don't eat it.

are you and cybersage the same person?

both of you have gone from full-on batshit loony tunes, to rational, insightful posters over the last couple of days.


:hmm:

 

[zinfamous]

Liberal hippies that are scared of science complaining about a corporation's product which helps billions of people. What else is new.

idiot.

 

[disappoint]

are you and cybersage the same person?

both of you have gone from full-on batshit loony tunes, to rational, insightful posters over the last couple of days.


:hmm:

Maybe they are back on their meds now.

 

[monovillage]

are you and cybersage the same person?

both of you have gone from full-on batshit loony tunes, to rational, insightful posters over the last couple of days.


:hmm:

It's gotta be the drugs.

lmao, i got beat to it.

 

[LTC8K6]

Everything you eat has been genetically modified, like it or not.

 

[trenchfoot]

GMO crops are fine, in theory. As practiced by Monsanto, however, they are akin to criminal negligence.

I have no problem with GMO crops--but I have huge problems with Monsanto.

Monsanto and Walmart.....Monsanto and Walmart. There's a strong similarity between these two giants of commerce that instinctively raises my "suspicious alertness" sensors.

I don't trust either of them enough to believe that anything they say or do has anything remotely related to being compassionate, honest and caring for the world's common folk that they depend on to keep their investors rolling in profits.

 

[Throckmorton]

I would support legislation that REQUIRES LABELING GMO-produced FOODS.

It's only fair, and allows the citizen to make an informed choice whether or not to purchase and/or eat these crops.

After all, isn't that the pro-capitalist stance? Let the free market decide (fairly) if GMO foods should fail or become popular.

In theory this is a good idea, but in reality people are fucking stupid. The average person probably thinks genetically modifying crops is inherently wrong, or "playing God", or dangerous.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Not really. It's something that has been genetically modified drastically from the original, some with very very poor results leaving an inferior product. How about the various citrus fruits eh? There are tons and tons of things humans have genetically modified long before the invention of the microscope, so spare me the "ZOMG GENETICALLY MODIFYING SHIT IS BAD!"

People have used dogs for work and play, it's not really a bad comparison. Only if you're silly enough to arbitrarily think it's some how different.

The only difference is that nature does not add part of a bacteria genome into a plant directly only for consumption needs. Usually when these sharing of genes happens, whole ecosystems change because some species are going to die. And that is something you shortsighted people are unable to see. A significant genetic change in species A means something must give in another species B that is depending on species A. This means to adapt or die. But in the meanwhile, suffer.

Take for example the potato. It is poisonous, but the poison is mainly contained inside the leaves. Consuming enough solanine will kill you. Try eating the leaves of a tomato plant. You will get sick. And your digestive system will give you problems. Eat enough, and you will die. But potatoes and tomatoes are perfectly edible. Why ? because the toxins are not present in the fruit.

As better example for comparing gno corn, take the puffer fish or fugu. It is toxic. But properly prepared, you will not die of tetrodotoxin. Why ? Because it is removed or in very low quantities together with a non repetitive diet not problematic. Bt toxins will still be present in that corn.

As long as Monsanto will not provide proof or allow others that the toxins are only contained in the leaves and stem and not in the fruit or seeds(the corn), you cannot compare nature with this meddling that Monsanto does.

Or even selective breeding of animals. Which causes most of the time genetic defects and diseases when doing research in for example canines. And the reason why these disease happen is because when a certain physical trait is desired, the same pedigree is used for cross breeding.