Money in morons..

[BUTCH1]

Guys, this is where we are screwing ourselves out of easy $$, the crap people buy to "protect" themselves is amazing, we (as geeks) should be tapping into stupid for profit!. I'll give you an example I came across, I found it rather amusing, the "EMF adapter", link here is the text describing what it does and it's only $300!

"This plug-in product can clear and protect an entire home or office space from the harmful effects of EMF radiation. The EMF Adapter uses the building’s electrical circuitry to send a corrective, harmonizing resonance signal through the wiring of the entire space. Just plug in one EMF Adapter to protect your entire home or office."

They also sell the "Smart-patch" for $30 that "Creates a six-foot protective field"
"The laboratory-tested SafeSpace Smart Patch has been proven to transform and neutralize radiation from wireless technologies, electronics and appliances. The Smart Patch converts the interfering radiation, immediately sending a coherent life-enhancing field through the device."
And it works by
"The patch’s non-electric metal substrate hologram has been permanently encoded with frequency information that interacts with and neutralizes the damaging effect of the incoherent energy from EMFs. When you affix it to the device, it begins to work immediately. It does not need to be replaced, and it works on devices stored inside cases. The patch radiates a six-foot protective field around the device to keep you crystal clear."

Wow, these people are making a killing by selling the tinfoil hat, literally, "coherent life-enhancing field" OMFG!.

 

[brianmanahan]

says the guy who is literally killing himself with EMF radiation right now!

 

[IronWing]

Did you remember to wear your ELF blocker today?


Edit: Holy crap! They really do sell tin foil hats!

 

[lxskllr]

There's always been virtually limitless ways of separating fools from their money. I've tried to live my life providing value for the services/products I deliver, many times at the detriment of my wallet. I couldn't be a professional(or amateur for that matter) huckster, and sell people bullshit. I don't like when people try to do it to me, and I won't do it to someone else.

 

[JSt0rm]

80 years from now emf radiation is found to be the cause of all cancers.

 

[Imp]

I just avoid using Wifi and haven't rebooted my corded router in like a year.

Anyway, if my EMF meter -- ya, I'm paranoid -- is remotely accurate and I did the reading remotely correctly, the RF put out by my home phone's base station and handsets is way more than the wifi modems or devices.

 

[Pandasaurus]

The laboratory-tested SafeSpace Smart Patch has been proven to transform and neutralize radiation from wireless technologies, electronics and appliances.

Citation needed. (Emphasis mine)

If I had no morals, I could probably be a very rich person by now...

 

[lxskllr]

I just avoid using Wifi and haven't rebooted my corded router in like a year.

Anyway, if my EMF meter -- ya, I'm paranoid -- is remotely accurate and I did the reading remotely correctly, the RF put out by my home phone's base station and handsets is way more than the wifi modems or devices.

Even if we accept that rf radiation is bad, how does a *passive* product(that patch thing) encoded with fairy dust protect against it?!

 

[IronWing]

There's always been virtually limitless ways of separating fools from their money. I've tried to live my life providing value for the services/products I deliver, many times at the detriment of my wallet. I couldn't be a professional(or amateur for that matter) huckster, and sell people bullshit. I don't like when people try to do it to me, and I won't do it to someone else.

Look at it this way... Failing to separate fools from money does a disservice to society at large as it leaves the allocation of resources in the hands of fools. ()

 

[Carson Dyle]

80 years from now emf radiation is found to be the cause of all cancers.

Not quite that extreme, but I think we'll be learning about the harmful effects of EMF and RF radiation for many decades to come.

 

[Greenman]

Saw an add for an app the other day, it said to order now as supplies were limited.

 

[Imp]

Even if we accept that rf radiation is bad, how does a *passive* product(that patch thing) encoded with fairy dust protect against it?!

Magic. Clearly.

Or Jésus. It channels Jésus.

Edit: P.S. You're all missing the point. You should be encouraging these types of devices. Tech boom, yo. Developed economy FTW, globalism. #FutureJobs

 

[BUTCH1]

Not quite that extreme, but I think we'll be learning about the harmful effects of EMF and RF radiation for many decades to come.

What AMAZES me is the people screaming on you tube over "smart-meter" RF danger, (laughable) while they use a cell-phone that transmits one inch from the brain. I think someone is making smart-meter "protectors" now too, hang on....I FOUND IT!, OMG, it's like a little chicken-wire fence you install around your smart-meter, only $19.99!

http://www.lessemf.com/smart.htmlI'm telling 'ya, we should be cleaning up here!, all of us know the terminology of tech, throw in $.50 worth of wire-mesh and $PROFIT!!.

 

[Carson Dyle]

Even if we accept that rf radiation is bad, how does a *passive* product(that patch thing) encoded with fairy dust protect against it?!

If it needs to be plugged into an electrical socket, how do you figure it's "passive"? If it sat in the middle of the room and contained no power source, that would be passive.

How do noise-canceling headphones work?

 

[BUTCH1]

OMG, they also sell (for $350) a "kit" that blocks the signal from the evil meters!. Meanwhile 99% of them will be exposed to 10X what the smart meter was putting out because they use a wireless router!. Seems the nice folks that sell you all this crap forgot to inform people that RF is RF no matter what the source (that might hurt sales)

 

[lxskllr]

If it needs to be plugged into an electrical socket, how do you figure it's "passive"? If it sat in the middle of the room and contained no power source, that would be passive.

How do noise-canceling headphones work?

"The patch’s non-electric metal substrate hologram(wtf?!) has been permanently encoded with frequency information that interacts with and neutralizes the damaging effect of the incoherent energy from EMF.

I'm pretty sure noise canceling headphones work by sensing noise, and produce an inverse wave to cancel the sound out, which would be an active process. I haven't read about it though. I'm sure wikipedia has something interesting to say.

 

[VirtualLarry]

What AMAZES me is the people screaming on you tube over "smart-meter" RF danger, (laughable) while they use a cell-phone that transmits one inch from the brain. I think someone is making smart-meter "protectors" now too, hang on....I FOUND IT!, OMG, it's like a little chicken-wire fence you install around your smart-meter, only $19.99!

http://www.lessemf.com/smart.htmlI'm telling 'ya, we should be cleaning up here!, all of us know the terminology of tech, throw in $.50 worth of wire-mesh and $PROFIT!!.

At least that DOES SOMETHING. (Faraday effect shielding)

 

[BUTCH1]

If it needs to be plugged into an electrical socket, how do you figure it's "passive"? If it sat in the middle of the room and contained no power source, that would be passive.

How do noise-canceling headphones work?

True, but that's audio, not RF, you can't turn 'bad RF" into "good RF" by adding more RF!, there is no logical theory behind this shit so they have to use mumbo-jumbo crap like "coherent life-enhancing field", someone needs to explain to me EXACTLY what a "coherent life-enhancing field" IS and it's method of operation.

 

[BUTCH1]

At least that DOES SOMETHING. (Faraday effect shielding)

Agree, but if it winds up making the smart meter unable to transmit the power Co will be out to remove it, if you deny them that then they will have to use some sort of "averaging" algorithm to figure out you're bill and you can bet you will wind up on the losing end of that deal. My main point is them preying on the dumb, "since it's from the power Co it's RF HAS to be evil, dangerous RF". I'm gonna go look on Ebay, I bet a shit-load of these are for sale as BIN items..

 

[Red Squirrel]

That is hilarious, the only way I could MAYBE see that work is if it used some kind of RF cancelling tech, but it would only really work for the immediate location it's in. I don't think that would do anything to affect the "exposure" you get though. If anything it would increase it.

What I'm starting to think though is that it would not be a bad idea now days to use some kind of shielding so RF can't come in your house and locally produced (ex: wifi) RF can't come out. For the things you do want, you have external antennas. Or you just shield key rooms like server/computer room and not the whole house. Windows (the glass kind) might be problematic though. There's so much stuff trying to spy on us these days it's gotten ridiculous and the "tin foil hat" joke is not so much a joke anymore but reality.

For example, newer Intel CPUs have a 3G radio in them which anyone of authority (ex: NSA) can connect to and basically compromise a properly firewalled or even air gapped computer. And let's not forget about the Samsung and Vizio TVs that have microphones and transmit your conversations to some central repository where people actually listen to random conversations. Can't help but wonder if phones do the same thing too. Probably use the camera as well.

Sure you can argue that the odds of a specific person being a target is slim, but that's like saying don't bother locking your front door, as the odds of YOUR house being a target of theft is slim. Shielding from RF is easier said than done though. Tin foil is not enough. Wrap your phone in tin foil, ground it for good measure, and try calling it. Call makes it through no problem. Need fairly thick lead panels of sorts probably.

Bottom line, I doubt this device does much to protect against the "harmful radiation" if it was harmful.

 

[Imp]

What AMAZES me is the people screaming on you tube over "smart-meter" RF danger, (laughable) while they use a cell-phone that transmits one inch from the brain. I think someone is making smart-meter "protectors" now too, hang on....I FOUND IT!, OMG, it's like a little chicken-wire fence you install around your smart-meter, only $19.99!

Bla bla bla, I'm not an expert RF or health & safety person...

I don't understand the smart meter RF thing. From bare basic know-how of cell phones and wifi, it's probably as strong as a cell phone signal at most. Then it's usually outside with a wall separating you from it most of the time.

But I went up to it with my RF meter and stood a foot or two away. The reading, assuming it was done properly but probably wasn't, wasn't much higher than me standing a foot or so from my home phone base station.

On the other hand, they put a cell tower on the adjacent building at work and ya... I'm glad my desk wasn't on that side of the building.

 

[Red Squirrel]

My guess is the meters also don't transmit continuously. They probably transmit in short bursts every 10 minutes or something. The actual readings are usually per hour. Would actually be kind of interesting to put a spectrum logger near one just to see what they do.

Guessing they must use 3G or similar network that is already available pretty much anywhere where there are houses. If they use satellites then they probably actually do have to transmit at a higher power. I wonder what stuff like those Vizio TVs use, maybe it's similar to the Intel CPUs and they use 3G as well. What's interesting is the limitations and cost of cell plans, but then you have all these misc devices that freely use the networks.

There's a cell tower right on the building I work in. So if those cause cancer I might be in trouble.

 

[BUTCH1]

Bla bla bla, I'm not an expert RF or health & safety person...

I don't understand the smart meter RF thing. From bare basic know-how of cell phones and wifi, it's probably as strong as a cell phone signal at most. Then it's usually outside with a wall separating you from it most of the time.

But I went up to it with my RF meter and stood a foot or two away. The reading, assuming it was done properly but probably wasn't, wasn't much higher than me standing a foot or so from my home phone base station.

On the other hand, they put a cell tower on the adjacent building at work and ya... I'm glad my desk wasn't on that side of the building.

That sounds about right, smart meters are limited to one watt of RF and as you said it's on the outside of your house. Found a much more deluxe stainless-steel version on Amazon for $129,https://www.amazon.com/Smart-Meter-Guard-Radiation-Shield/dp/B00OVJCPS6

 

[Red Squirrel]

I'm sure the hydro company would be impressed if they found that though.

 

[Imp]

My guess is the meters also don't transmit continuously. They probably transmit in short bursts every 10 minutes or something. The actual readings are usually per hour. Would actually be kind of interesting to put a spectrum logger near one just to see what they do.

I used a 0.1 to 8 GHz RF meter to do the reading... The RF meter lit up a few times a minute. Maybe they do a big upload every once in a while. However, the neighbor's meter was just like a few feet away from mine so who knows which one was transmitting.

On the other hand, my home phone's base station transmits 24/7/365 even if the phones are in the same room.