Mom wants justice for her son killed while robbing a store

[sm625]

He already got his justice.

 

[Svnla]

So you're going to answer a question with a question.

I think its a socioeconomic problem not really a racial one.

I answered your question. I never claimed only x or y or z group did stupid things in post #40 and no one else did. Stupid has no boundary.

 

[lotus503]

I answered your question. I never claimed only x or y or z group did stupid things in post #40 and no one else did. Stupid has no boundary.

No you didn't, you wrote what is below for a response. That was not an answer to my question. I never inferred you said anything beyond what you said, that is why I asked my original question to understand your thoughts.


"Read post #40 from Bock, do you think whites and other groups don't do stupid things like that?"

 

[Svnla]

No you didn't, you wrote what is below for a response. That was not an answer to my question. I never inferred you said anything beyond what you said, that is why I asked my original question to understand your thoughts.


"Read post #40 from Bock, do you think whites and other groups don't do stupid things like that?"

I already answered your question. Maybe this can help. This is what I said to Bock in one of my previous posts.

When you are young and broke, you do NOT need kids (as in PLURAL) and baby mamas/daddies problems. You need a way out of the poor area by education and skill.

I don't see any color reference in that statement.

Do you have anything new? If not, we are done here.

 

[lotus503]

I already answered your question. Maybe this can help. This is what I said to Bock in one of my previous posts.




Do you have anything new? If not, we are done here.

Nothing new, was just curious to know if you saw this as a racial issue. It doesn't appear that you do, which is good because its not.

 

[werepossum]

Nothing new, was just curious to know if you saw this as a racial issue. It doesn't appear that you do, which is good because its not.

Actually it kind of is a racial issue. If one is born black or brown, one is much more likely to be born poor and somewhat more likely to raised by a single parent or non-parent, both of which make having children out of wedlock more likely and more difficult to recover from. So while stupid is colorblind, successfully escaping a willful act of stupidity intact is not necessarily so enlightened.

Money can buy a LOT of Stupid-B-Gone. With nice leather briefcases and $750 fountain pens when needed.

 

[lotus503]

Actually it kind of is a racial issue. If one is born black or brown, one is much more likely to be born poor and somewhat more likely to raised by a single parent or non-parent, both of which make having children out of wedlock more likely and more difficult to recover from. So while stupid is colorblind, successfully escaping a willful act of stupidity intact is not necessarily so enlightened.

Money can buy a LOT of Stupid-B-Gone. With nice leather briefcases and $750 fountain pens when needed.

The issue of having many (Too Many) children when your poor is not a racial issue its a socioeconomic issue.

This is supported by data worldwide over a long period of time.

 

[werepossum]

The issue of having many (Too Many) children when your poor is not a racial issue its a socioeconomic issue.

This is supported by data worldwide over a long period of time.

Oh, I agree. I'm just pointing out that statistically its effects are not distributed evenly because poverty isn't distributed evenly. The effects of having an illegitimate child at sixteen are extremely less of a handicap if you are Crystal Palin in the governor's mansion than if you are Krys'Tall Palin being raised in the hood by a single mother working two part-time jobs, and statistically Krys'Tall Palin being raised in the hood by a single mother working two part-time jobs is much more likely to be black or brown whereas Crystal Palin in the governor's mansion is much more likely to be white. I'm just saying that while it's fine to point out that this is a socioeconomic issue rather than a racial issue, let's not forget that its effects are not racially homogeneous. Everyone has the same opportunities; everyone does not have anything like the same odds.

 

[zinfamous]

Oh, I agree. I'm just pointing out that statistically its effects are not distributed evenly because poverty isn't distributed evenly. The effects of having an illegitimate child at sixteen are extremely less of a handicap if you are Crystal Palin in the governor's mansion than if you are Krys'Tall Palin being raised in the hood by a single mother working two part-time jobs, and statistically Krys'Tall Palin being raised in the hood by a single mother working two part-time jobs is much more likely to be black or brown whereas Crystal Palin in the governor's mansion is much more likely to be white. I'm just saying that while it's fine to point out that this is a socioeconomic issue rather than a racial issue, let's not forget that its effects are not racially homogeneous. Everyone has the same opportunities; everyone does not have anything like the same odds.

Great post, but I don't think everyone does have the same opportunities, as not everyone has the same access to opportunities as others. Further, not all states and counties provide the same resources and opportunities across the board as others, and even when they do, some municipalities have cleverly insured that access to resources should be extremely limited....for reasons.

 

[werepossum]

Great post, but I don't think everyone does have the same opportunities, as not everyone has the same access to opportunities as others. Further, not all states and counties provide the same resources and opportunities across the board as others, and even when they do, some municipalities have cleverly insured that access to resources should be extremely limited....for reasons.

I think everyone does have the same theoretical opportunities, it's just that for some people they practically have to be genius angels to make it happen. A very sharp, very driven child raised in the hood by a druggie grandmother with shit schools is going to have to work at the limits of human ability to achieve the same as mediocre effect by a millionaire's son, and even if the millionaire's son completely fails at life he's probably going to do so quite comfortably.

I have a huge amount of respect for Bill Gates and I completely agree with what he said about dying poor. But it's worth pointing out that he is the product of wealthy parents and was exposed to computers when his private middle school bought a terminal and computer time in '68. (With parents' donations, no less.) My own middle school wouldn't see computer access for students for another twenty years and it's still head and shoulders above many inner city schools just struggling to keep kids fed and safe. That early access led to Gates (and some others) being hired in '71 to write several commercial programs. All of that in turn led to his abilities; he made his own opportunities, but was able to do so based on his luck in birth. Thus not dying poor does not necessarily mean dying wealthy.

Now, all of that could have happened to the inner city child of a druggie mother. But it would require not only as much hard work as Gates put in and as much native intelligence and drive, but also coincidental circumstances beyond the child's control that would essentially be like winning the lottery. Maybe like winning the lottery twice. It's like I have the same opportunity to win the 2017 Masters as does Tiger Woods because professional golf is an equal opportunity employer, but my odds of doing so . . . Let's just say even G-d doesn't have that many zeros.

 

[Blue_Max]

WTF is wrong with you? This thread has nothing to do with feminists and yet you drag that crap in here too. Everything is about your personal "us versus them" battle and you are taking it even where it doesn't belong. You're the worst kind of anti-feminist.

Hey, princess snowflake is the one who wanted to make a feminist theory her sole point of rebuttal.

Not to mention the fact it's a feminist approach to demand safety while attacking others.

I'd say the glove fits.

...bet'cha liked the idea of those youth work camps, eh?

...and we'll just skip past all your usual shaming and mocking tactics.

 

[Blue_Max]

Actually it kind of is a racial issue. If one is born black or brown, one is much more likely to be born poor and somewhat more likely to raised by a single parent or non-parent, both of which make having children out of wedlock more likely and more difficult to recover from. So while stupid is colorblind, successfully escaping a willful act of stupidity intact is not necessarily so enlightened.

The issue of having many (Too Many) children when your poor is not a racial issue its a socioeconomic issue.

This is supported by data worldwide over a long period of time.

As much as all this is true, it is now very affordable and easy to end a pregnancy. If you're dirt poor in the developed world, one can debate the wisdom of birthing that child and hoping for free money vs. ending the pregnancy at first knowledge and working/improving to get a better job.

The appeal of "free" social services and free cash just for having babies is alluring to all too many. This is not always the case, merely often enough to be a problem worth addressing.

 

[Blue_Max]

I think everyone does have the same theoretical opportunities, it's just that for some people they practically have to be genius angels to make it happen. A very sharp, very driven child raised in the hood by a druggie grandmother with shit schools is going to have to work at the limits of human ability to achieve the same as mediocre effect by a millionaire's son, and even if the millionaire's son completely fails at life he's probably going to do so quite comfortably.

Agreed completely. :thumbsup:

 

[Victorian Gray]

Hey, princess snowflake is the one who wanted to make a feminist theory her sole point of rebuttal.

Not to mention the fact it's a feminist approach to demand safety while attacking others.

I'd say the glove fits.

...and I'll bet you're lobbying for those youth work camps right now.

...and we'll just skip past all your usual shaming and mocking tactics.

Who'd a thunk it. The glove *does* fit someone.

 

[Blue_Max]

Who'd a thunk it. The glove *does* fit someone.

What a fun deflection. Take every accusation thrown at you and magically turn 'em around with "I know you are but what am I?"

Or shall we talk more about your original "wound collecting" baloney?

 

[Victorian Gray]

What a fun deflection. Take every accusation thrown at you and magically turn 'em around with "I know you are but what am I?"

Or shall we talk more about your original "wound collecting" baloney?

And you continue to do so (while you continue to collect and cherish your wounds).

Too bad, so sad.

 

[werepossum]

As much as all this is true, it is now very affordable and easy to end a pregnancy. If you're dirt poor in the developed world, one can debate the wisdom of birthing that child and hoping for free money vs. ending the pregnancy at first knowledge and working/improving to get a better job.

The appeal of "free" social services and free cash just for having babies is alluring to all too many. This is not always the case, merely often enough to be a problem worth addressing.

That is true. When my wife worked for lawyers, a large number of mothers-to-be could tell you to the penny how much their check would be, and how much more if they birthed twins. They could also tell you how many bedrooms and how much rent payment they could qualify for under Section 8.

Unfortunately, as much as I despise that mentality there isn't much leverage to change it short of privation if not starvation for the children. What they get may be more than they can earn in the free market, but it's still at the very limit of survivability.