CPA
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That's still a game of skill, not chance. You have to use hand/eye coordination. A game of chance requires no physical involvement by the participant.
That's still a game of skill, not chance. You have to use hand/eye coordination. A game of chance requires no physical involvement by the participant.
Loving watching the mind of liberals. This is how they think. This is what they believe.
Pay attention and defeat them.
Pay attention and defeat them.
JSt0rm
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shortylickens
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Your beliefs. The mind if a fucking liberal have been exposed thanks to the Internet.
You view WILL be defeated by Americans and patriots.
Your Obama has been exposed. WE Reject it.
DominionSeraph
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If the law restricts games of chance with a payout of value, then to the core function, yes. I'm curious as to how there could be a civil avenue to this, though -- criminality does not necessarily allow for civil damages, and the mere presence of these games should not materially hurt her.
I would think her legal avenue would be limited to suing the government for allowing an illegal gambling operation to operate, and I'd judge a proper redress as the government acknowledging its mistake and shutting down the games in question. I just don't quite get the suing of Chuck E. Cheese, and if there is no legal basis I certainly hope the case gets thrown out with all legal costs being borne by the plaintiff, with possible censure of her lawyer if there isn't anything even remotely close in law.
Fundies: always thinking the world revolves around them. When they want something, nobody else may ever have the power disallow it. But when they want to disallow something, suddenly someone (them) gets absolute power to disallow.
Spoiled brats is all they are.
DominionSeraph
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_consensus_effect
Spidey, you should really get out more. Having Fox News as your only window on the world is not healthy.
Also... posting ponies. Why? Because I have the mental agility to.
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Patranus
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Its sad isn't it.
Instead of simply not taking their child to Chuck E. Cheese this parent thinks they have to sue for some reason.
shortylickens
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Reminds me of the bitch who tried to get Married With Children off the air instead of changing the channel.
She even lied about the content of the show, DESPITE THE FACT MILLIONS OF PEOPLE HAD SEEN IT AND IT WAS TAPED SO THE JUDGE COULD LOOK AT IT ANY TIME HE WANTED!
DominionSeraph
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And instead of just not getting gay married, we think that we have to prohibit it for some reason.
Oh wait...
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Genesis 2:15-25
15Then the LORD God took the man and put him into the garden of Eden to cultivate it and keep it.
16The LORD God (A)commanded the man, saying, "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely;
17but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it (B)you will surely die."
18Then the LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone; (C)I will make him a helper [a]suitable for him."
19(D)Out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky, and (E)brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name.
20The man gave names to all the cattle, and to the birds of the sky, and to every beast of the field, but for Adam there was not found (F)a helper suitable for him.
21So the LORD God caused a (G)deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place.
22The LORD God [c]fashioned into a woman (H)the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man.
23The man said,
"(I)This is now bone of my bones,
And flesh of my flesh;
She shall be called Woman,
Because she was taken out of Man."
24(J)For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.
25(K)And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed.
Genesis 3
The Fall of Man
1Now (A)the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, "Indeed, has God said, 'You shall not eat from any tree of the garden'?"
2The woman said to the serpent, "(B)From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat;
3but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.'"
4(C)The serpent said to the woman, "You surely will not die!
5"For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and (D)you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
6(E)When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.
7Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they (F)knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings.
8They heard the sound of (G)the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, (H)and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.
9Then the LORD God called to the man, and said to him, "(I)Where are you?"
10He said, "(J)I heard the sound of You in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid myself."
11And He said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?"
12(K)The man said, "The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me from the tree, and I ate."
13Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" And the woman said, "(L)The serpent deceived me, and I ate."
14The LORD God said to the serpent,
"(M)Because you have done this,
Cursed are you more than all cattle,
And more than every beast of the field;
On your belly you will go,
And (N)dust you will eat
All the days of your life;
15And I will put (O)enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her seed;
(P)He shall bruise you on the head,
And you shall bruise him on the heel."
16To the woman He said,
"I will greatly multiply
Your pain in childbirth,
In pain you will (Q)bring forth children;
Yet your desire will be for your husband,
And (R)he will rule over you."
17Then to Adam He said, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat from it';
(S)Cursed is the ground because of you;
(T)In toil you will eat of it
All the days of your life.
18"Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you;
And you will eat the plants of the field;
19By the sweat of your face
You will eat bread,
Till you (U)return to the ground,
Because (V)from it you were taken;
For you are dust,
And to dust you shall return."
20Now the man called his wife's name [a](W)Eve, because she was the mother of all the living.
21The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife, and clothed them.
22Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of (X)Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from (Y)the tree of life, and eat, and live forever"--
23therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden, to cultivate the ground from which he was taken.
24So (Z)He drove the man out; and at the (AA)east of the garden of Eden He stationed the (AB)cherubim and the flaming sword which turned every direction to guard the way to (AC)the tree of life.
Exodus 20
8 “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
2 Thessalonians 3:10-11 (New International Version)
10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”
11 We hear that some among you are idle and disruptive. They are not busy; they are busybodies.
Ephesians 4:28 (New International Version)
28 Anyone who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with their own hands, that they may have something to share with those in need.
Proverbs 6:6-11
6Go to the (A)ant, O (B)sluggard,
Observe her ways and be wise,
7Which, having (C)no chief,
Officer or ruler,
8Prepares her food (D)in the summer
And gathers her provision in the harvest.
9How long will you lie down, O sluggard?
When will you arise from your sleep?
10"(E)A little sleep, a little slumber,
A little folding of the hands to rest"--
11(F)Your poverty will come in like a vagabond
And your need like an armed man.
Exodus 20:17 (New International Version)
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”
Proverbs 11:28 (New International Version)
28 Those who trust in their riches will fall,
but the righteous will thrive like a green leaf.
Proverbs 23:4-5 (New International Version)
4 Do not wear yourself out to get rich;
do not trust your own cleverness.
5 Cast but a glance at riches, and they are gone,
for they will surely sprout wings
and fly off to the sky like an eagle.
Galatians 5:21 (New International Version)
21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
15Then the LORD God took the man and put him into the garden of Eden to cultivate it and keep it.
16The LORD God (A)commanded the man, saying, "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely;
17but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it (B)you will surely die."
18Then the LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone; (C)I will make him a helper [a]suitable for him."
19(D)Out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky, and (E)brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name.
20The man gave names to all the cattle, and to the birds of the sky, and to every beast of the field, but for Adam there was not found (F)a helper suitable for him.
21So the LORD God caused a (G)deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place.
22The LORD God [c]fashioned into a woman (H)the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man.
23The man said,
"(I)This is now bone of my bones,
And flesh of my flesh;
She shall be called Woman,
Because she was taken out of Man."
24(J)For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.
25(K)And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed.
Genesis 3
The Fall of Man
1Now (A)the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, "Indeed, has God said, 'You shall not eat from any tree of the garden'?"
2The woman said to the serpent, "(B)From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat;
3but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.'"
4(C)The serpent said to the woman, "You surely will not die!
5"For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and (D)you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
6(E)When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.
7Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they (F)knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings.
8They heard the sound of (G)the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, (H)and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.
9Then the LORD God called to the man, and said to him, "(I)Where are you?"
10He said, "(J)I heard the sound of You in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid myself."
11And He said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?"
12(K)The man said, "The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me from the tree, and I ate."
13Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" And the woman said, "(L)The serpent deceived me, and I ate."
14The LORD God said to the serpent,
"(M)Because you have done this,
Cursed are you more than all cattle,
And more than every beast of the field;
On your belly you will go,
And (N)dust you will eat
All the days of your life;
15And I will put (O)enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her seed;
(P)He shall bruise you on the head,
And you shall bruise him on the heel."
16To the woman He said,
"I will greatly multiply
Your pain in childbirth,
In pain you will (Q)bring forth children;
Yet your desire will be for your husband,
And (R)he will rule over you."
17Then to Adam He said, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat from it';
(S)Cursed is the ground because of you;
(T)In toil you will eat of it
All the days of your life.
18"Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you;
And you will eat the plants of the field;
19By the sweat of your face
You will eat bread,
Till you (U)return to the ground,
Because (V)from it you were taken;
For you are dust,
And to dust you shall return."
20Now the man called his wife's name [a](W)Eve, because she was the mother of all the living.
21The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife, and clothed them.
22Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of (X)Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from (Y)the tree of life, and eat, and live forever"--
23therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden, to cultivate the ground from which he was taken.
24So (Z)He drove the man out; and at the (AA)east of the garden of Eden He stationed the (AB)cherubim and the flaming sword which turned every direction to guard the way to (AC)the tree of life.
Exodus 20
8 “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
2 Thessalonians 3:10-11 (New International Version)
10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”
11 We hear that some among you are idle and disruptive. They are not busy; they are busybodies.
Ephesians 4:28 (New International Version)
28 Anyone who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with their own hands, that they may have something to share with those in need.
Proverbs 6:6-11
6Go to the (A)ant, O (B)sluggard,
Observe her ways and be wise,
7Which, having (C)no chief,
Officer or ruler,
8Prepares her food (D)in the summer
And gathers her provision in the harvest.
9How long will you lie down, O sluggard?
When will you arise from your sleep?
10"(E)A little sleep, a little slumber,
A little folding of the hands to rest"--
11(F)Your poverty will come in like a vagabond
And your need like an armed man.
Exodus 20:17 (New International Version)
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”
Proverbs 11:28 (New International Version)
28 Those who trust in their riches will fall,
but the righteous will thrive like a green leaf.
Proverbs 23:4-5 (New International Version)
4 Do not wear yourself out to get rich;
do not trust your own cleverness.
5 Cast but a glance at riches, and they are gone,
for they will surely sprout wings
and fly off to the sky like an eagle.
Galatians 5:21 (New International Version)
21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
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Are you seriously trying to compare a game made for pure entertainment marketed toward 5 year olds to gambing?
Aside from that, I do believe that all gambling should be legal.
DominionSeraph
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Hmmm... I think I may have to use the Bible more often. It makes conservatives look so whiny and childishly petulant in comparison.
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JSt0rm
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Well retard, its a game of chance that exchanges real life money for the chance to win something so yes its gambling. No skill attached.
Of course the shit between your ears cant comprehend this simple fucking point.
ericlp
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Yeah, I went there (GASP) with a friend that had kids. She spent at least 50 bucks every time there mostly on tokens and the shitty ass pizza I refuse to eat but the salad bar isn't bad.
Anyway, I agree! Can't afford it? Don't go... Kinda like abortion. Don't like it? Don't fucking have one. Pretty simple right? Damn morons wasting all this time in courts ... Bunch of freaks if you ask me.
shortylickens
No Lifer
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I'm gonna say this real nice: Its time for you to go to bed.
I dont care what time zone you're in. Just let it go. This debate is basically pointless. No need to carry it on.
JSt0rm
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Lithium381
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I'm glad there are poeople out there to defend justice in this world so i can sleep well at night
/sarcasm
/sarcasm
sportage
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CC, CC, CC... Every time a little relative has a b-day its CC.
I am soooo tired of dodging 100 small running hyper kids as if on steroids, eating over priced greasy pizza, and feeling trapped in CC Hell.
For reasons non related to the lawsuit, reasons of my own, I wish this lady success.
Face it.. all CC is, is a service for lazy parents when the dreaded child's birthday reminder pops up on their blackberry. CC is a place for parents that desire minimal interaction with their kid. Parents can simply knock off a few swigs, run the kid to CC, feed the kid greasy pizza and dollar bills, then get back home and send the kids to bed. Just in time to pass out in front of the TV, after finishing off the bottle.
I am soooo tired of dodging 100 small running hyper kids as if on steroids, eating over priced greasy pizza, and feeling trapped in CC Hell.
For reasons non related to the lawsuit, reasons of my own, I wish this lady success.
Face it.. all CC is, is a service for lazy parents when the dreaded child's birthday reminder pops up on their blackberry. CC is a place for parents that desire minimal interaction with their kid. Parents can simply knock off a few swigs, run the kid to CC, feed the kid greasy pizza and dollar bills, then get back home and send the kids to bed. Just in time to pass out in front of the TV, after finishing off the bottle.
Even if it is found illegal for chuck E cheese to have these games, why does this lady deserve so much money?
And what kind of "games of chance" does chuck e cheese have?
As far as I remember they all had some elements of skill.
On a side note I remember going to a video arcade a few years ago and there was a black jack video game that gave out tickets for prizes.
And what kind of "games of chance" does chuck e cheese have?
As far as I remember they all had some elements of skill.
On a side note I remember going to a video arcade a few years ago and there was a black jack video game that gave out tickets for prizes.
gaidensensei
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I hate to say this, but the more I think about this controversy, the more I see the logic is revealed in the light of reason. I'd be the last person to be considered a liberal of all people I know, but I find merit in the upbringing of this case.
It does not come from the woman though. She only deserves credit for bringing the issue to mind.
Think of the purpose of Chuckie's. Children go there to have fun and play. Once they hit the prize stop, they quickly discern the value of tickets. A nerf gun or some fisher price doll house set is going to be relatively high on the desired list for any kid. Meanwhile, rubber bands and army men, and all the consolidation prizes are left untouched only to be collected by the children who either are unable, or have no interest in the prize ladder.
What does it teach? Most children adapted to the mainstream cognitively associate the tickets with winning, if lots of it come out = good! Blaring alarms and flashing lights. They realize in order to get what they want, the tickets are the gateway to obtaining it. The child will realize the purpose is to get as many tickets out of each machine as they can.
Thus, these tickets are associated with some kind of value once they are in the collection section. However, I'm only isolating this to the chance/luck games only, rather than the games of skill.
Piece this together with an 8-10 year old child playing on a slot machine in Vegas. How is it any different when once the child is able to realize that the tokens are associated with value, or to help them get what they want? If they learned that 100 of these coins can buy them any toy up to $20 at Toys-R-Us, what's the difference?
It does not come from the woman though. She only deserves credit for bringing the issue to mind.
Think of the purpose of Chuckie's. Children go there to have fun and play. Once they hit the prize stop, they quickly discern the value of tickets. A nerf gun or some fisher price doll house set is going to be relatively high on the desired list for any kid. Meanwhile, rubber bands and army men, and all the consolidation prizes are left untouched only to be collected by the children who either are unable, or have no interest in the prize ladder.
What does it teach? Most children adapted to the mainstream cognitively associate the tickets with winning, if lots of it come out = good! Blaring alarms and flashing lights. They realize in order to get what they want, the tickets are the gateway to obtaining it. The child will realize the purpose is to get as many tickets out of each machine as they can.
Thus, these tickets are associated with some kind of value once they are in the collection section. However, I'm only isolating this to the chance/luck games only, rather than the games of skill.
Piece this together with an 8-10 year old child playing on a slot machine in Vegas. How is it any different when once the child is able to realize that the tokens are associated with value, or to help them get what they want? If they learned that 100 of these coins can buy them any toy up to $20 at Toys-R-Us, what's the difference?
gaidensensei
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I'm pretty sure those are timing games.
Games of chance have probabilities and randomness to them.
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