Mom beats and kills her 4-year-old son because she believed he was gay

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alzan

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I am against the death penalty, but this is the type of situation that makes me waiver on that.

Seconded; this is exactly one of those cases where it's so cut and dried that my response is, "Well, maybe in this case..."

Then my reasonable (and Irish) side kicks in and says "Death penalty is for cowards. Let's make her life a living hell!"
 

Sunburn74

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There really needs to be a law establishing a minimum criteria for the right to have children in your custody.
 

Vic

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It was actually the boyfriend who killed the boy. He kicked him in the stomach so hard it perforated his intestine. The boyfriend already made a plea deal for manslaughter.
Mom has a long history of beating her kids though, and she didn't take the boy to get medical care for several days even though she knew what the boyfriend did and the boy was obviously not well (internal bleeding, etc).
I live near Tigard, and this is really a fucked up story all around. They both should have gotten murder IMO.
 

momeNt

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Religion.....

They might not have been religious. They could have just had a peculiar devotion to spreading their genes, and not wanting to waste resources on offspring that would not further promote their genes in the long run. While humans seem to do it with sexual orientation, there are other mammals that will kill or at least neglect offspring they do not think will be viable and be able to reproduce, this is no different.

To blame it on religion is shallow. There is some very basic genetic programming that goes on in our brains that likely informed the religious culture towards gays, but that isn't a problem with religion really, it's more a problem with our genetics.
 

BoberFett

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Blacks have been known to be part of the Republican Party (ever heard of Herman Cain or Alan Keyes?). The key part is that she was anti-gay. Hence, she'd make a good Tea Partier.

You're a real scumbag.

Scumbags like you are why I hate Democrats.
 

werepossum

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It was actually the boyfriend who killed the boy. He kicked him in the stomach so hard it perforated his intestine. The boyfriend already made a plea deal for manslaughter.
Mom has a long history of beating her kids though, and she didn't take the boy to get medical care for several days even though she knew what the boyfriend did and the boy was obviously not well (internal bleeding, etc).
I live near Tigard, and this is really a fucked up story all around. They both should have gotten murder IMO.
Agreed. This is a virtually unlosable case. Why pass up a chance to put away such a horrendous person for at least a few decades?
 

HomerJS

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You're a real scumbag.

Scumbags like you are why I hate Democrats.

The GOP supports this kind of agenda which creates a climate justifying killing people because they are gay. Remember the cadre of C-Street Republicans who went to Uganda and help craft laws that allowed killing gay people?

Not condemning all Republicans but until the party leadership openly rejects these policies they own it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Graham-stands-admiration-President-Putin.html
 

BoberFett

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The GOP supports this kind of agenda which creates a climate justifying killing people because they are gay. Remember the cadre of C-Street Republicans who went to Uganda and help craft laws that allowed killing gay people?

Not condemning all Republicans but until the party leadership openly rejects these policies they own it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Graham-stands-admiration-President-Putin.html

The GOP supports the agenda of beating children because they might be gay?

You're the same type of idiot as WhipperSnapper.
 

HomerJS

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The GOP supports the agenda of beating children because they might be gay?

You're the same type of idiot as WhipperSnapper.

In the US I'm referring to the climate they create. Listen again to Franklin Graham interview.

There was a contingent of conservative Senators in a group called the family. They went to Uganda and assisted them in creating kill the gay people laws.
 

Texashiker

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The hypocrisy in this thread is palatable.

Kill a 4 month old fetus, it is perfectly fine, legal, morally acceptable, the womans right, no big deal,,,, etc.

Kill a 4 year old child, oh the outrage.

Either you protect life, or you do not, please make up your mind.

The pro-choice crowd has not right to complain about a parent killing their child. If you do complain, then you need to re-exam your morals and values.

What the parents did to the child is terrible. Hopefully justice will be served.
 

werepossum

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The hypocrisy in this thread is palatable.

Kill a 4 month old fetus, it is perfectly fine, legal, morally acceptable, the womans right, no big deal,,,, etc.

Kill a 4 year old child, oh the outrage.

Either you protect life, or you do not, please make up your mind.

The pro-choice crowd has not right to complain about a parent killing their child. If you do complain, then you need to re-exam your morals and values.

What the parents did to the child is terrible. Hopefully justice will be served.
I disagree. At four months' gestation the child's rights cannot help but compete with the mother's rights, so that if the child's inherent right to life is in conflict with the woman's right to control her body one must have her rights infringed. At four years the child's rights can easily be assigned to a different, non-defective mother who will fight for the child rather than fight the child, so the child and the birth monster can both have their rights.
 

momeNt

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The hypocrisy in this thread is palatable.

Kill a 4 month old fetus, it is perfectly fine, legal, morally acceptable, the womans right, no big deal,,,, etc.

Kill a 4 year old child, oh the outrage.

Either you protect life, or you do not, please make up your mind.

The pro-choice crowd has not right to complain about a parent killing their child. If you do complain, then you need to re-exam your morals and values.

What the parents did to the child is terrible. Hopefully justice will be served.

The child's life at 4 years is mutually exclusive from the mother's. The mother is not directly providing any of the necessities required for life at that point, so it is not directly interfering with her body.

The mother should have just abandoned the 4 year old, not have it killed. Abortion is more like abandonment, you remove the fetus, and it is no longer viable. If you remove a 4 year old from your home, it isn't viable either, but at the same time your right to liberty is greater than any perceived rights the child has to the labor it takes another to provide for it.
 

Texashiker

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I disagree. At four months' gestation the child's rights cannot help but compete with the mother's rights, so that if the child's inherent right to life is in conflict with the woman's right to control her body one must have her rights infringed. At four years the child's rights can easily be assigned to a different, non-defective mother who will fight for the child rather than fight the child, so the child and the birth monster can both have their rights.

The child's life at 4 years is mutually exclusive from the mother's. The mother is not directly providing any of the necessities required for life at that point, so it is not directly interfering with her body.



Like I said, the hypocrisy in this thread is palatable.


The mother should have just abandoned the 4 year old, not have it killed.

True.

There are better options than murder.
 

nehalem256

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Blacks have been known to be part of the Republican Party (ever heard of Herman Cain or Alan Keyes?). The key part is that she was anti-gay. Hence, she'd make a good Tea Partier.

Minority single mother. You do the math on which party she is more likely to be part of... :hmm: