Modware Heat Guzzler Socket A Heatpipe HSF $4.99 + S&H

xmylifeforyoux

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I found a nice deal on a decent cooler and wanted to share it with everyone. It is the Modware (Foxconn) Heat Guzzler and Directron is selling it for $4.99 + S&H.
I believe it has six heatpipes and a copper base. It is used in socket A applications only and it hasdecent reviews.

Links:

Buy: HERE
Manufacturer: HERE
Review: HERE

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Product: Modware Heat Guzzler Heatpipe Socket A Heatsink
Model: CFHPK7
Place: Directron
Price: $4.99 + S&H
 

sjwaste

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Shipping was high, but it came out to $12 and change shipped. Very hot for a heatpipe cooler on an old platform. This will cool my XP2500+ in the HTPC.
 

sjwaste

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Bump for Directron. I ordered at 2:55pm (see above) and the order has already shipped.
 

xmylifeforyoux

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I like the option they have to ship via USPS Priority, even though its a bit more
expensive than UPS Ground. They are really good about their shipping methods.
Also if post three pictures of your modded system in their forum you can get $6
off your total order. Making this an even sweeter deal, as always YMMV!

 

xmylifeforyoux

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On monday I intend to contact both Foxconn and Directron to see if these claims are
indeed true. I will keep everyone updated as of this situation. Thanks to mikeford
who discovered the article.
 

KF

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Originally posted by: mikeford
Read this and weep if you have already paid. http://www.ocia.net/articles/guzzler/guzzler.shtml

The guy that did the positive review cited in the OP must have got a good one. It measures up with a very good one in that article. Or is this a case of outright fraud where they sent the reviewer a working one, knowing the normal production were fakes?

Judging by the filing of the base, it is copper colored only, not copper. So I examined the box pics (from the article referenced in the OP). Nowhere on the box does it claim the base is anything specific. Not copper. Not aluminum. Not anything.

The tubes of the heat pipes (if they are functional heat pipes) they cut open do look like copper. It does say on the box that they are heat pipes. "Poweful Heat Pipe for Over Clocking"

But I don't know about the contention that the tubes can't be heat pipes because they supposedly didn't have anything in them. Would a real heat pipe have much noticeable in it? Did they cut open a known good heat pipe to compare with? My understanding is that there is very little liquid in them, possibly none you would notice if you broke one open. It seems to me, people did this back when heat pipes were first appearing, as a short, thick tube up the middle of a fairly normal looking heatsink, and they found just traces of something "waxy", from which they concluded (incorrectly) that the tube did nothing; it was a mere gimic, they said.

Here's the little bit of knowledge I picked up over the years. The liquid in heat pipes is usually water, not something exotic. The water picks up heat as it changes phase to a gas, which spreads the heat throughout the tube very rapidly, due to being a rarified gas. But wouldn't the temp of the CPU have to get over 100C for this to work, you say? Doesn't water have to get to 100C to boil, you say? No. 100C is only boiling at normal atmospheric pressure. They say water is a gas at zero pressure, and down to near absolute zero I suppose. For heat pipes, they evacuate the tube to a complete vacuum, and put in just enough water so that the pressure that develops inside as it turns to a gas is still low enough to keep almost all the water as a thin gas. Otherwise all you would have is a tube with a little water in it that wouldn't do anything beyond what a plain tube would do. The tubes interior is supposed to wick water to spread it back to wherever it is hot to complete the cycle. (Heating drives up the pressure, so some of the water will condense even when the heatpipe gets hotter.) If you open up the tube, the gas mixes in the air, and there are just traces of wetness on the interior of the tubes.

In other words, what the guy did to prove the heat pipes were fakes, doesn't actually show anything. OTOH the heatsink did perform very badly for him. Maybe it was that the base was so uneven. Or maybe the guy put too little heat gooey on it, considering the uneven base. Even supposed pros sometimes get the heatsink slightly tilted on the step of socket A; you can't see it. Or maybe the heat pipes are defective. Or maybe they are fakes.
 

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Well, I ordered, so I'll report back on what sort of temps I'm looking at on my Barton 2500+. I replaced the stock cooler w/ an SVC 80mm fan cooled unit, and it's absolutely awful. If I hadn't reused the stock cooler on another build, I would just go back to that. So we'll see how this one does.
 

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Originally posted by: sjwaste
Well, I ordered, so I'll report back on what sort of temps I'm looking at on my Barton 2500+. I replaced the stock cooler w/ an SVC 80mm fan cooled unit, and it's absolutely awful. If I hadn't reused the stock cooler on another build, I would just go back to that. So we'll see how this one does.

well, please keep us informed
 

mikeford

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Pick a corner on the bottom and make a scratch, or maybe just shake it to see if it sloshes.

Finding good info on these Socket A cooler is so tough since most are a good 2 years old, and only "news" for a couple months then.

I still have a stock Sempron 2800+ cooler on my Barton 3200+ cpu, but I bought a Jet 7+ a couple weeks ago, just haven't put it on yet (big monster looks like a jet engine, way too heavy to put on without putting my case on its side, which I can't do where its located now). About $13 shipped from Dealsonic.com
 

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Holy crap, I saw this thread and figured I'd buy a couple for the $18 Durons I picked up from Newegg, really glad this info was posted. Please keep us informed of your findings.
 

xmylifeforyoux

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Originally posted by: heatsink-guide.com
For ultra low temperatures: inert gases (helium), nitrogen, ammonia

Based on this article even helium,nitrogen and ammonia are used inside of heatpipes. Most of
these are gases which are impossible to see. Take that for what its worth, though it may be
possible that these heatsinks use one of those gases.
 

mikeford

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Heat pipes work by phase change, liguid boils in the bottom and condenses in the top the same as an old steam boiler heating system.

Also these are not ultra low temperature, they are above room temperature.

Lets wait and see if one does any real cooling, or is copper over aluminum.
 

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I just installed mine on my Barton 2500, oc'ed to 190 FSB x 11. The cpu idles at around 31C, doesn't break 40C under load so far (but all I did were some database updates for my HTPC for a few mins, i'll prime it later). These readings are according to speedfan.

One note of caution, on my mobo, the tension on this thing is HIGH. I needed to get a friend to hold the thing down so I could use BOTH HANDS to push the clip down over the socket posts. I wouldn't install this thing unless you also have a CPU shim, as it'll probably crush the core very easily.

Oh, one more thing. It's really loud. I might try a 70-80mm fan adapter on it to try and run a slightly bigger, quieter fan. Maybe even a 70-120mm adapter if the fan will fit vertically (i dont think it will).
 

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Originally posted by: sjwaste
I just installed mine on my Barton 2500, oc'ed to 190 FSB x 11. The cpu idles at around 31C, doesn't break 40C under load so far (but all I did were some database updates for my HTPC for a few mins, i'll prime it later). These readings are according to speedfan.

One note of caution, on my mobo, the tension on this thing is HIGH. I needed to get a friend to hold the thing down so I could use BOTH HANDS to push the clip down over the socket posts. I wouldn't install this thing unless you also have a CPU shim, as it'll probably crush the core very easily.

Oh, one more thing. It's really loud. I might try a 70-80mm fan adapter on it to try and run a slightly bigger, quieter fan. Maybe even a 70-120mm adapter if the fan will fit vertically (i dont think it will).

Thanks. Actually I already did chip an Athlon with some crazy, high-tension clip heatsink years ago.

It seems like a working heatsink so far, but maybe nothing to get enthused about. It does have an appealing look though.

In the last couple of years they have done a lot to get the super-coolers quieter, so this is expected for an old one. (The reviews were from 2004 I believe.) Same with the clips, although people are saying the new Conroe style is scarey. They probably need a high speed fan to drive air through all those closely spaced fins, and fast air through thin fins kicks up a lot of noise.
 

sjwaste

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Originally posted by: KF

Thanks. Actually I already did chip an Athlon with some crazy, high-tension clip heatsink years ago.

It seems like a working heatsink so far, but maybe nothing to get enthused about. It does have an appealing look though.

In the last couple of years they have done a lot to get the super-coolers quieter, so this is expected for an old one. (The reviews were from 2004 I believe.) Same with the clips, although people are saying the new Conroe style is scarey. They probably need a high speed fan to drive air through all those closely spaced fins, and fast air through thin fins kicks up a lot of noise.

I'll say for $12 to my door I'm pretty happy. :)

It's loud, but I'm replying now running it passive just to test. Have Prime95 Large FFT running in the background. It's pretty optimal since its right below my PS, which sucks air out. I put a 120mm on the other side above the AGP card to push. It's just now getting to the 50C mark a few minutes in. It's climbing slowly enough that I'd like to see if it's a viable passive cooler given adequate case flow.

EDIT: I'm at 2.1 GHz, stock volts, on the barton. It's an ECS N2U400-A, so no easy volt options. It's flaky at 2.2, so I backed it off to where its stable. Temp is at 52C now and appears to be leveling off w/o the CPU fan.
 

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Wow, not bad, so maybe the bad review was all wrong, bad sample etc.?

BTW I am using the same motherboard from Fry's along with the amd hsf that came with the sempron 2800+, and my 3200+ run in the low 50C range with the factory fan running.

What I was told is that MB won't do 200 FSB without something special, I forget what.
 

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Egads. I don't like the sound of how much force he had to use.....

was thinking of getting a new cooler..now....hrrrrmmmmm

I wish my ol' 7N400Pro had holes around the socket instead of relying on socket clips.......
 

KF

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Originally posted by: mikeford
... or maybe just shake it to see if it sloshes.
Interesting idea.

I still have an extra heat pipe heatsink loose from a retail Opteron I recently got. It has four copper tubes. I shook it, and no audible sloshing, and it doesn't feel like it has anything sloshing in the slightest. As expected. Like I said before, you would not expect any noticeable liquid in these things. The water is a rarefied gas at below atmospheric pressure, plus a trace of wetness absorbed in the wicking surface.

I'm not about to cut a tube open to see if anything is visible. The fool that did this originally didn't find any liquid, and I see no reason it wouldn't be the same. If he had troubled to read the article he linked to, he might have had a clue.

Let's face it, the guy was a screwed up. Getting the heasink on wrong (against the step or the clip backwards) was one of the common screwups with socket A. It only tilts the heatsink slightly, and you usually can't see it (without a dental mirror.)
 

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Originally posted by: mikeford
Wow, not bad, so maybe the bad review was all wrong, bad sample etc.?

BTW I am using the same motherboard from Fry's along with the amd hsf that came with the sempron 2800+, and my 3200+ run in the low 50C range with the factory fan running.

What I was told is that MB won't do 200 FSB without something special, I forget what.

It supports 200FSB, its just that the CPU I have won't do it without a little extra voltage. Still, I'm running at 190FSB and its rock stable. To do a voltmod, just search n2u400 volt mod on google and you'll get the OCWorkbench article. You could try a pinmod, but with the force I needed to get this thing on, thats not an option for me.

Dont get me wrong, this cooler isnt awesome, but its $12 good. Maybe even $30 good. The base looks to be plated, you don't need to be a metallurgist to know its probably not copper. It's too bright and fake looking, and definitely doesnt tarnish. It's doing the job for me, though.

Oh, and if anyone's still doubting the heatpipes are real, they are as far as I can tell. The fins get HOT when I run it passive all the way up the column, not just near the base like a regular heatsink. Also I can run it passive, which to me suggests they're more than just hollow tubes.

My complaint is that its REALLY loud though. Overwhelming compared to my 120mm case fans and PSU fan. Thats why I tried passive, but I need to prime it longer in passive mode before im completely comfortable. If not, I'll duct an 80 or 92mm fan and see how that goes.