first of all, I am a planet.
second, the idea that a being worthy of worship must be omnibenevolent, omniscient, and omnipotent. This has been extrapolated down to this most bais ideal from 100's of years of logic proofs by religious philosophers.
*sigh* if you do not see what is fatally wrong with this statement then there is no help for you.
We are talking about the most basic principles of which a god must be.
Once again christians here GOD and immediately assume their GOD and start qouting the bible. The bible is actually a christians worst enemy as it if verrry flawed logically with its idea of GOD. 99.9% of religious philosophers give no credit to the bible whatsoever. In philoosphical arguments about existence of god we have to transcend denominations and look at the idea of a being worthy of worship and what that entails.
I, personally, do not believe in a "god" for a multitude of reasons.
1) There is no physical proof, or evidence that suggests any all powerful/knowing being exists.
2) In my opinion, religion was originally invented to answer questions about the world, that no one had the answer to. So when their was no answer, it was deemed a miracle.
3) There is a better chance of life existing somewhere else in the galaxy, than there is of a "god".
4) I don't mean to sound vain on this one, but I'm going to say it anyway. If their was an all knowing "god", he could have seen, and prevented the occurences on 9/11, the holocaust, or any other crime against humanity from happening.
5) In my opinion, if the world would relinquish the notion of a "god", "gods", prophets, religion alltogether, the world would be a more peaceful place. Currently many countries are fighting over their belief in god, and in Muslim countries, they claim to be fighting jihad (holy war in the name of Allah) against each other and the US.
So there you go, I don't believe in a "god", all mighty deity, "gods", etc... In my opinion is all something that people made up, just to explain the unexplainable.
1) There is no physical proof, or evidence that suggests any all powerful/knowing being exists.
2) In my opinion, religion was originally invented to answer questions about the world, that no one had the answer to. So when their was no answer, it was deemed a miracle.
3) There is a better chance of life existing somewhere else in the galaxy, than there is of a "god".
4) I don't mean to sound vain on this one, but I'm going to say it anyway. If their was an all knowing "god", he could have seen, and prevented the occurences on 9/11, the holocaust, or any other crime against humanity from happening.
5) In my opinion, if the world would relinquish the notion of a "god", "gods", prophets, religion alltogether, the world would be a more peaceful place. Currently many countries are fighting over their belief in god, and in Muslim countries, they claim to be fighting jihad (holy war in the name of Allah) against each other and the US.
So there you go, I don't believe in a "god", all mighty deity, "gods", etc... In my opinion is all something that people made up, just to explain the unexplainable.
I neither believe or disbelieve.... I am and that is all that matters. After life.. the whole concept sucks and I hope it is not true. I do not want it... not one bit. Does the bible (I am sorry I have not read it though I would I have nothing against it, I just have not) tell how the dinosaurs came about because I am curious how religion deals with the dinosaurs. Thanks.
In the first chapter of Genesis (the first book of the Bible) God lists the things he creates, including dinosaurs, although the term dinosaur isn't used because it was not coined until the 1800's and the english Bible was translated in the 1600's, neverminding the fact the Genesis was written around 1500BC. You can read about two of the dinosaurs that were created in Job. One was huge, like the now defunct brontosaurus, and the other one was like a dragon.
God didn't. If you read Job, you'd know that.
nik
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
God didn't. If you read Job, you'd know that.God allowed Satan to do what he wished to Job short of taking his life.
nik
Why? To prove people will blindly give up everything for him? (People give up stuff for satan, but usually in EXCHANGE for something - or so they think) To prove he's better? What a loser. Is he really concerned his d*ck is smaller than Satan's?
Originally posted by: CTho9305
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
God didn't. If you read Job, you'd know that.God allowed Satan to do what he wished to Job short of taking his life.
nik
Why? To prove people will blindly give up everything for him? (People give up stuff for satan, but usually in EXCHANGE for something - or so they think) To prove he's better? What a loser. Is he really concerned his d*ck is smaller than Satan's?
God didn't go "okay, Satan, I want you to do this..." Satan went to God and asked permission. God gave him blanket permission - a blanket with a little hole in it, that is. He did it to show that no matter what happens to you and no matter how sh|tty your life may seem, God is still in control and can recover even the worst of lives. No matter how sh|tty your life may seem, Satan has no more control over you than God allows for the time being and that God won't let anything happen to you that you can't handle.
Christ, people, if you're going to bash something, then bash it. If you're going to read it to understand it, read it with an open mind, not a closed and critical one. :frown: :|
nik
No, it's more of a case of my God is better than your God. Nyah, nyah.Originally posted by: CTho9305
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
God didn't. If you read Job, you'd know that.God allowed Satan to do what he wished to Job short of taking his life.
nik
Why? To prove people will blindly give up everything for him? (People give up stuff for satan, but usually in EXCHANGE for something - or so they think) To prove he's better? What a loser. Is he really concerned his d*ck is smaller than Satan's?
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Wrong.you people who blatantly BS simply amaze me.
nik
Elaborate....
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: CTho9305
Why? To prove people will blindly give up everything for him? (People give up stuff for satan, but usually in EXCHANGE for something - or so they think) To prove he's better? What a loser. Is he really concerned his d*ck is smaller than Satan's?
God didn't go "okay, Satan, I want you to do this..." Satan went to God and asked permission. God gave him blanket permission - a blanket with a little hole in it, that is. He did it to show that no matter what happens to you and no matter how sh|tty your life may seem, God is still in control and can recover even the worst of lives. No matter how sh|tty your life may seem, Satan has no more control over you than God allows for the time being and that God won't let anything happen to you that you can't handle.
Christ, people, if you're going to bash something, then bash it. If you're going to read it to understand it, read it with an open mind, not a closed and critical one. :frown: :|
nik
You're going to hell for using The Lord's name in vain
Um..... I tend to think you don't read evolution papers with an open mind. And when I did read parts of the Bible, I was basically a Christian. I've drawn my conclusions based on what I read and was told in church.
ummm... how about this? The bible contains SOME historically valid facts, written down by a group of scholars, that once serves as lessons for a people that could not decide between right and wrong. These lessons were further re-inforced by myth and mysticism, as fear is the best weapon to wield. All the gaps were filled in, so to speak, and the whole thing was presented to the public. As this seemed the most logically valid thing at the time, it was accepted by people... but now haven't we grown above all this? Shouldn't we be guided by our own set of right and wrong? Do we really need to be told that killing a person is not the right thing to do... isn't our mind enough to guide us from what the bible would call "immoral" acts?
Find a bible and read Hebrews Chapter 11.
1) "Now, Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen".
You can read the rest. I have faith you will.
ok... one other point... correct me if i'm worng, but did God not create Lucifer? and i do not think the angels were given free will....
If I could further my argument, God created Lucifer to be evil. i.e. God created evil.
DOES NOT COMPUTE>>>
If I could further my argument, God created Lucifer to be evil. i.e. God created evil.
DOES NOT COMPUTE>>>
The problem is that you're a big enough hypocrite for all of us...Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Of course I don't. I'm a Christian - I'm required to be a hypocrite
nik
"Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart. But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. And the servant of the Lord must not stive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will." 2 Timothy 2:22-26
"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit." Isaiah 14:12-15
"And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found anymore in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." Revelation 12:7-9
This thought is the very basis of "Mere Christianity" by C.S. Lewis. I encourage everyone to read this text, which seems particularly apt for this thread.
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