*mods please lock this* - i dont need any help on this anymore.
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It sounds as if you are setting up an internet cafe. You have much to learn.Why have you decided on W2K? Where is this W2K Pro and Server information coming from?
In win2k server,you can create a distribution server and set up a RIS install. You need to know what you are doing to impliment this,I will warn you in advance. If you do not know what you are doing,you will blow this whole install easily.
It sounds like you have the right idea and the right gear.(did you check to see if your 40 computers and thier hardware are on microsofts HCL?)
I recommend you do some background research on successful internet cafes by doing a search on the net. You will get some good hints that way. I would charge you $100/hr to design and set up your internet cafe. I am certified by microsoft,and I will never give away for free what I worked my ars off to achieve.
Good luck.
In win2k server,you can create a distribution server and set up a RIS install. You need to know what you are doing to impliment this,I will warn you in advance. If you do not know what you are doing,you will blow this whole install easily.
It sounds like you have the right idea and the right gear.(did you check to see if your 40 computers and thier hardware are on microsofts HCL?)
I recommend you do some background research on successful internet cafes by doing a search on the net. You will get some good hints that way. I would charge you $100/hr to design and set up your internet cafe. I am certified by microsoft,and I will never give away for free what I worked my ars off to achieve.
Good luck.
Ummm....get an MCSE dude! Tripleshot, don't sell yourself short...I am not even certified (yet) and I would charge no less than $200 per hour....
rigelproject
I'm MCP on the MCSE track for WIN2K. I've checked the rates,and you are right. In L.A. its $250/hr. Mr. RDSport323 may have bitten off more than he can chew,or someone is taking advantage of his good nature by prompting him to layout a very sofisticated network to perform a specialized service that is geared to make a substantial profit.
When planning and building a bussiness like this,it is prudent for the principles of the company to be aware of the costs associated with implimenting this strategy,and certainly the cost of skills needed to put this together, should be a factor. Unfortunately,some people think they can wing it by using the web to answer thier questions and bail them out when they get into trouble. I hope this forum does not become a venue for that activity. I do not think that is the design of this forum,but its not my decesion to make.
I wish Mr. RDSports323 all the best in putting this together,but I spent a small fortune for my education in these matters,and I will not give that knowledge away to placate someone who more than likely would not aprreciate its value,other than they got it for free.
Glad to see other MCSE's like yourself fundamentally feel the same as I.
I'm MCP on the MCSE track for WIN2K. I've checked the rates,and you are right. In L.A. its $250/hr. Mr. RDSport323 may have bitten off more than he can chew,or someone is taking advantage of his good nature by prompting him to layout a very sofisticated network to perform a specialized service that is geared to make a substantial profit.
When planning and building a bussiness like this,it is prudent for the principles of the company to be aware of the costs associated with implimenting this strategy,and certainly the cost of skills needed to put this together, should be a factor. Unfortunately,some people think they can wing it by using the web to answer thier questions and bail them out when they get into trouble. I hope this forum does not become a venue for that activity. I do not think that is the design of this forum,but its not my decesion to make.
I wish Mr. RDSports323 all the best in putting this together,but I spent a small fortune for my education in these matters,and I will not give that knowledge away to placate someone who more than likely would not aprreciate its value,other than they got it for free.
Glad to see other MCSE's like yourself fundamentally feel the same as I.
SUOrangeman
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I think one rather important question is, whats your timeframe?
If you have the time, you COULD get a load of books and do it steb by step, though that will of course take a while, since you'll have to learn "on the fly", making things work right, make a load of errors(you allways do).
If you take that aproach, I'd still hire a consultant to check it out when you're done, to make sure you didnt miss anything important(which again allways tends to happen).
If you need it done quickly, but still want it done right, get someone who known this kind of stuff well, be a friend, consultant, dad, whatever, and have him/them help you out, will cost you a bit though, unless you know someone who's very generous with their time.
Or you could simply go the dirty cheap way and do it the good ole trial&error way, learnig from your mistakes as you go along, this probabaly isnt the route to take if you want it done good from start though, since doing stuff this way allways results in lots of shortcomming in the solutions you come up with(speaking from personal experience).
And Trippleshot, you guys can get 250$/hour for a MCSE over there????
Damn where are you living, gotta move there, where I live, even Oracle/Cisco people, which are typically among the most expensive people around, hardly ever cost more than 125$/hour, and being an MCSE around here is far less prestigious, since so many people have those certs(relatively speaking that is).
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Oh and by the way, why would you want Server on the front desk computer?
And especially adv server?
Unless you have any special reason to run it, it will just cost you alot more money.
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If you have the time, you COULD get a load of books and do it steb by step, though that will of course take a while, since you'll have to learn "on the fly", making things work right, make a load of errors(you allways do).
If you take that aproach, I'd still hire a consultant to check it out when you're done, to make sure you didnt miss anything important(which again allways tends to happen).
If you need it done quickly, but still want it done right, get someone who known this kind of stuff well, be a friend, consultant, dad, whatever, and have him/them help you out, will cost you a bit though, unless you know someone who's very generous with their time.
Or you could simply go the dirty cheap way and do it the good ole trial&error way, learnig from your mistakes as you go along, this probabaly isnt the route to take if you want it done good from start though, since doing stuff this way allways results in lots of shortcomming in the solutions you come up with(speaking from personal experience
).And Trippleshot, you guys can get 250$/hour for a MCSE over there????
Damn where are you living, gotta move there, where I live, even Oracle/Cisco people, which are typically among the most expensive people around, hardly ever cost more than 125$/hour, and being an MCSE around here is far less prestigious, since so many people have those certs(relatively speaking that is).
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Oh and by the way, why would you want Server on the front desk computer?
And especially adv server?
Unless you have any special reason to run it, it will just cost you alot more money.
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RDSport323
Not to worry. I have big toes. You can learn this from books and there is a study at home guide and braindumps to assist you on line,but the best way is instructor lead and in a computer lab in order to obtain an MCSE certification. It used to be you could fairly easily take tests for NT4 and pass without having ever seen the inside of a computer. That has all changed with Win2K. You really need to set up a network and play with it without fear of breaking something. This is a new OS and the elective books for my class have not even beeen published yet. It is really tough to pass the tests(at $100 per test) and it can get expensive if you don't grasp it well. Books just don't help all that much. You need to use the system.
My local collage has offered a class for win2k for $3500. Most courses are $7000 to $15000 for win2k MCSE. Once you are certified,you can easily charge the going rate for your knowledge. Trust me,you will have earned every penny!
I'm puzzled as to how you got roped into this to do it for free. You need to bail out and let your friend hire a knowledgable MCSE to install and impliment this if you are pressed for time. You can build the boxes but they will have to have componments on the hardware compatibility list(HCL) in order for the remote installation services(RIS) to work properly. From there on it gets sticky.I have done the RIS install yet even as the books outline it,it doesn't work the way the books say.I have problems with the EULA.
Good luck.I hope you persue an MCSE track in computing. I think it is worth it. BTW,Win2K MCSE cert applies to XP as well. 2 Certs for the price of one.
Sunner
$250 an hour for consulting on a business of this type is common. MCSE who works hands on on the install is $100/hr here and I live in a small community. MCP's are $65/hr. No cert what so ever is $7.00/hr and you get what you pay for.
Not to worry. I have big toes.
You can learn this from books and there is a study at home guide and braindumps to assist you on line,but the best way is instructor lead and in a computer lab in order to obtain an MCSE certification. It used to be you could fairly easily take tests for NT4 and pass without having ever seen the inside of a computer. That has all changed with Win2K. You really need to set up a network and play with it without fear of breaking something. This is a new OS and the elective books for my class have not even beeen published yet. It is really tough to pass the tests(at $100 per test) and it can get expensive if you don't grasp it well. Books just don't help all that much. You need to use the system.My local collage has offered a class for win2k for $3500. Most courses are $7000 to $15000 for win2k MCSE. Once you are certified,you can easily charge the going rate for your knowledge. Trust me,you will have earned every penny!
I'm puzzled as to how you got roped into this to do it for free. You need to bail out and let your friend hire a knowledgable MCSE to install and impliment this if you are pressed for time. You can build the boxes but they will have to have componments on the hardware compatibility list(HCL) in order for the remote installation services(RIS) to work properly. From there on it gets sticky.I have done the RIS install yet even as the books outline it,it doesn't work the way the books say.I have problems with the EULA.
Good luck.I hope you persue an MCSE track in computing. I think it is worth it. BTW,Win2K MCSE cert applies to XP as well. 2 Certs for the price of one.
Sunner
$250 an hour for consulting on a business of this type is common. MCSE who works hands on on the install is $100/hr here and I live in a small community. MCP's are $65/hr. No cert what so ever is $7.00/hr and you get what you pay for.
Alright, if you are going to do this with Win2k you might as well get the 2 servers set up first manually. Then just work with 1 Workstation. Get this workstation running perfectly and then ghost it to to the other 37 workstations. I am assuming here that they all have similar hardware? You could also make a network build off one of the servers but this would require you to learn more about Win2k server .
1) I agree win2k is probably the nicest to work on for a project such as this, as long as you have done your homework on compatible hardware.
2) I'd go NTFS
3) Uhm, the longest ammount of time would probably be getting a perfect build for the workstations, making sure it has no issues with any drivers or any games. I can't really estimate the time frame. I did something like this at work with over 70 PCs but the servers were already established.
4) Domain
5) Sure, get a router
6) Uhm, Have them tell the person at front desk what they want for a login name. The person at front desk creates account and gives them a temporary password that expires in a day. Simple Win2k account management.
7) Event Viewer can be setup to log all logins and logouts. So using this information you can tell how long someone was logged in for.
8) Event Viewer along side auditing...
9) All done via permissions. Each person to login would get a default profile, if that default profile doesn't have permission to IE / Etc then they can't surf the web.
Basically, setup 1 workstation and get it working with the network under a standard "Gamer" group and you should be able to tackle this jobby pretty quickly.
I did this in nt4, may be easier or harder in win2k, I havn't tested everything in win2k yet.
Cya,
skace
.1) I agree win2k is probably the nicest to work on for a project such as this, as long as you have done your homework on compatible hardware.
2) I'd go NTFS
3) Uhm, the longest ammount of time would probably be getting a perfect build for the workstations, making sure it has no issues with any drivers or any games. I can't really estimate the time frame. I did something like this at work with over 70 PCs but the servers were already established.
4) Domain
5) Sure, get a router
6) Uhm, Have them tell the person at front desk what they want for a login name. The person at front desk creates account and gives them a temporary password that expires in a day. Simple Win2k account management.
7) Event Viewer can be setup to log all logins and logouts. So using this information you can tell how long someone was logged in for.
8) Event Viewer along side auditing...
9) All done via permissions. Each person to login would get a default profile, if that default profile doesn't have permission to IE / Etc then they can't surf the web.
Basically, setup 1 workstation and get it working with the network under a standard "Gamer" group and you should be able to tackle this jobby pretty quickly.
I did this in nt4, may be easier or harder in win2k, I havn't tested everything in win2k yet.
Cya,
skace
I think these forums are to find quick and dirty solutions for problems that arise in OSs. As I am usually quite blunt (meaning I will probably offend a few people), I don't believe people should come into these forums and blast off a million questions...especially about how to set up networks which will be used to create profit. (Unless of course someone wants to cut me in on the profits in exchange for my knowledge.) Also, I sure wouldn't want to pay to play games in an internet cafe that was set up my an individual that got network setup info from some OS forum. My hat is off to anyone that attempts to set up networks and learn. BUT this is not that case...what we have here is someone that wants to set up a professional service. My advice: Hire a professional.
rigelproject
I didn't want to come down on the guy for trying,but I agree. We come here for fixes on OSes we have installed or help with, or opinions of, OS's we are contimplating. This is a complete install from scratch,with just a little to go on in the way of knowlege. Using sysprep to make an unattended install using the Setup wizard and UDF files and then using a 3rd party imaging program to create the roll out on a distribution server takes many steps and it really cannot be set up from discussions in this or any forum.It takes someone with experience to handle this task and that person needs to be working directly with the owners who are paying the bills,because it is going to cost about $50,000 to get this rolling in a professional manner.
I didn't want to come down on the guy for trying,but I agree. We come here for fixes on OSes we have installed or help with, or opinions of, OS's we are contimplating. This is a complete install from scratch,with just a little to go on in the way of knowlege. Using sysprep to make an unattended install using the Setup wizard and UDF files and then using a 3rd party imaging program to create the roll out on a distribution server takes many steps and it really cannot be set up from discussions in this or any forum.It takes someone with experience to handle this task and that person needs to be working directly with the owners who are paying the bills,because it is going to cost about $50,000 to get this rolling in a professional manner.
Double post becuz of server error.
Hnmmmm. 492 people and its too busy.
Zuni,whats up with that?:Q
Hnmmmm. 492 people and its too busy.
Zuni,whats up with that?:Q
OKAY, I HAVE TO DEFEND MYSELF...
Honestly, these people that have their internet cafe for video games, are friends of mine and his family. They already have it setup perfectly, they don't even need to haev all of this extra stuff added on, or added security. They are doing VERY WELL in business right now, and I figure, to help them out some MORE, I would offer to install Win2k for them for the added protection and security from other people... THATS ALL I WANTED TO DO.. WAS TO HELP OUT A FRIEND.. Honestly, I already know the answer to a LOT of the questions I ASKED, but, ALL I WANTED TO DO was to get a SECOND OPINION and SUGGESTIONS FROM WHAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE AN EASY TASK FOR MANY OF YOU... But, I GUESS GREED IS BY FAR GREATER THAN AIDING OTHERS and I DONT BLAME THOSE people,... Heck, GREED is what drives all human beings to do what they do...
Another thing, I am NOT certified, but I can say that I am fairly knowledgeable to the ins and outs of Win2k... I have it installed on a Dual Boot System, and I use it everyday... HELPING MYF RIEND OUT would ONLY HELP ME LEARN MORE about WIN 2k, so I dont have to waste my $$$ on stupid CLASSES which I DONT NEED! I can study it on my own, HANDS ON....
So for everyone that thinks that I am stupid for offering my services to what is already a succcessful internet cafe, I dont care. He's my friend, and $$$ is not important to me.. I gain knowledge of Win2k and I get to help out a friend.. So what? $$$, I have tons of it, I don't need to peddle or beg for answers, and I don't need to hire a friggin professional for $250/hr. I'll do it myself, and if I make mistakes or errors, then thats how I'll learn.
My apologies to everyone, including the mods... I'm sorry I ever posted this thread.... There was NO INTENT of ME MYSELF making ANY SORT OF PROFIT on this.... Geez.
Honestly, these people that have their internet cafe for video games, are friends of mine and his family. They already have it setup perfectly, they don't even need to haev all of this extra stuff added on, or added security. They are doing VERY WELL in business right now, and I figure, to help them out some MORE, I would offer to install Win2k for them for the added protection and security from other people... THATS ALL I WANTED TO DO.. WAS TO HELP OUT A FRIEND.. Honestly, I already know the answer to a LOT of the questions I ASKED, but, ALL I WANTED TO DO was to get a SECOND OPINION and SUGGESTIONS FROM WHAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE AN EASY TASK FOR MANY OF YOU... But, I GUESS GREED IS BY FAR GREATER THAN AIDING OTHERS and I DONT BLAME THOSE people,... Heck, GREED is what drives all human beings to do what they do...
Another thing, I am NOT certified, but I can say that I am fairly knowledgeable to the ins and outs of Win2k... I have it installed on a Dual Boot System, and I use it everyday... HELPING MYF RIEND OUT would ONLY HELP ME LEARN MORE about WIN 2k, so I dont have to waste my $$$ on stupid CLASSES which I DONT NEED! I can study it on my own, HANDS ON....
So for everyone that thinks that I am stupid for offering my services to what is already a succcessful internet cafe, I dont care. He's my friend, and $$$ is not important to me.. I gain knowledge of Win2k and I get to help out a friend.. So what? $$$, I have tons of it, I don't need to peddle or beg for answers, and I don't need to hire a friggin professional for $250/hr. I'll do it myself, and if I make mistakes or errors, then thats how I'll learn.
My apologies to everyone, including the mods... I'm sorry I ever posted this thread.... There was NO INTENT of ME MYSELF making ANY SORT OF PROFIT on this.... Geez.
...>>>friggin professional for $250/hr. ?
You do not need to get upset. If you knew the answers to your own questions,why did you pose it the way you did? And believe me,using Win2K Pro as your OS on a single PC is a far cry from Win2K server. I hope you get all the books you need to learn the system. Then you won't need this forum anymore.
You need to grow up. I just saw that you edited out your post. Good way to win friends here. Practice deciete and then cover it up before anyone calls you on it.
Pathetic. :disgust:
You do not need to get upset. If you knew the answers to your own questions,why did you pose it the way you did? And believe me,using Win2K Pro as your OS on a single PC is a far cry from Win2K server. I hope you get all the books you need to learn the system. Then you won't need this forum anymore.
You need to grow up. I just saw that you edited out your post. Good way to win friends here. Practice deciete and then cover it up before anyone calls you on it.
Pathetic. :disgust:
Hey man, my post was quick and to the point. I wanted to offer some help on the issue. Setting up gaming networks is a ton of fun and I don't think you need to get paid to do it.
Goodluck to you if you decide to go through with the project!
skace
Goodluck to you if you decide to go through with the project!
skace
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