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Adul
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What for? PC133 RAM would bottleneck the P4 so seriously that you wouldn't notice the speed gain in AGP 8x if there actually were one (there isn't!).
There are many PC133/DDR266 P4 motherboards listed in this thread. I believe they are all 4x AGP boards. The 4x boards "should" accept an 8x AGP graphics card just fine, except the card will only operate at a max of 4x AGP mode.
Rude? The responses posted have been anything but rude; they have been very civil.
There is no performance gain between an AGP4X video card and an AGP8X video card, as shown in most benchmarks.
This situation is not helped by the fact that you are using SDRAM instead of DDR RAM. A higher AGP transfer rate generally means that you should be able to transfer textures and data out of RAM to the video card faster. Since SDRAM is so slow and doesn't even come close to the bandwidth required by both your processor and your video card, your chances of seeing any gain are none.
I wasn't trying to be rude, just blunt and to the point. No need to waste your $$ on another SDRAM mobo that would get you no performance gain at all (even if an 8x board existed).
The inquiry was not about the merits of 8x vs. 4x AGP. The thread creator simply asked if there were any 8x AGP P4 boards that supported SDRAM, nothing more. And so some of the responses were indeed fairly rude and non-responsive to the question asked.
It would be one thing to offer relevant advice combined with an earnest attempt to answer the question asked. But to just 'drop in' for the sole purpose of rendering an opinion on the premise of the question itself is generally unhelpful and usually comes-off pretty rude.
If someone has their heart set on 8x AGP, though it offers nothing over 4x AGP, and would be crippled by SDRAM, that is their business. Maybe they just want to be able to say "I'm running 8x AGP". The 'prestige' factor alone drives 50% of the 'gaming' video card market.
It would be one thing to offer relevant advice combined with an earnest attempt to answer the question asked. But to just 'drop in' for the sole purpose of rendering an opinion on the premise of the question itself is generally unhelpful and usually comes-off pretty rude.
If someone has their heart set on 8x AGP, though it offers nothing over 4x AGP, and would be crippled by SDRAM, that is their business. Maybe they just want to be able to say "I'm running 8x AGP". The 'prestige' factor alone drives 50% of the 'gaming' video card market.
Our advice has the point of not wanting the original poster to waste money.
FWIW, any of the original i845S chipset based boards or dual mode i845D boards (both SDRAM and DDR SDRAM) fit the criteria. For flexibility in terms of future upgrades, I highly recommend boards that support both SDRAM and DDR SDRAM. Check out the ASUS P4XP-X...it's quite a good board.
Sure, but being well intentioned doesn't make it a fair-minded, appropriate, or non-rude response. The issue here is one of decorum, not intentions. The road to hell is paved with...
And it is, after all, his money. If we eliminated all those things in the marketplace people find worthy of acquiring with their money according to purely subjective interpretations of 'worth', the national GDP would be halved...or more.
Me, too. SDRAM + DDR combo boards do offer upgrade flexibility and the Asus P4XP-X is quite a nice board.
Sadly, that was not remotely what the thread creator asked about.
If you read my response carefully, you would know the answer. It's all there. Good luck. As for price, I cannot help you.
mscdex, it's not like the answers are rude. It's more like you're missing the point. Entirely.
Once again:
THERE IS NO PERFORMANCE GAIN IN AGP 8X, SO WHY BOTHER?
Once again:
THERE IS NO PERFORMANCE GAIN IN AGP 8X, SO WHY BOTHER?
Alright. P4XP-X is a 4X board. My bad. For some reason I thought the i845 chipset was AGP8X capable.
OK. Let's go straight to the chipsets and have a look if what you want is even possible, shall we?
Intel Chipset Line Card
From the above, it appears that no AGP8X capable chipset from Intel supports SDR SDRAM.
And now SIS: SIS Chipset Comparison Chart
Looks like no AGP8X capable chipset supports SDRAM from SIS either.
Finally, VIA's products: the P4X line of chipsets and the PT800 series.
No AGP8X and SDRAM support from VIA as well.
No need to look any further. No such product exists.
OK. Let's go straight to the chipsets and have a look if what you want is even possible, shall we?
Intel Chipset Line Card
From the above, it appears that no AGP8X capable chipset from Intel supports SDR SDRAM.
And now SIS: SIS Chipset Comparison Chart
Looks like no AGP8X capable chipset supports SDRAM from SIS either.
Finally, VIA's products: the P4X line of chipsets and the PT800 series.
No AGP8X and SDRAM support from VIA as well.
No need to look any further. No such product exists.
That's the spirit, Andy! Man that was a definitive response.
Mscdex0 squandered his good faith after I linked him to a thread in which he could find virtually every known P4 motherboard supporting SDRAM, then comes back and wants someone else to look at them and report if they support AGP 8x. I'm all for helping people, but not if someone is too damned lazy to click on a few links provided for him to help answer his question.
Mscdex0 squandered his good faith after I linked him to a thread in which he could find virtually every known P4 motherboard supporting SDRAM, then comes back and wants someone else to look at them and report if they support AGP 8x. I'm all for helping people, but not if someone is too damned lazy to click on a few links provided for him to help answer his question.
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