Modern man a wimp says anthropologist

PJABBER

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Do you ever wonder why so many of the threads here deteriorate into hissy fits?

A new book has been published that explains it all through "Manthropology."

You might not be able to run faster than the local highway speed limit or march the equivalent of 1.5 marathons while carrying half your body weight on your back every day. So what are you good for besides sitting there in your underwear typing like there was no tomorrow, a perfectly good waste of the human gene pool.

Some of us are mighty proud to be able to get out and do that hour or so of hard physical exercise every day, while others are happy just to not let that last drop of JOLT or Horse Pop go to waste. REAL men put in 12 hours a day of hard physical exercise, or they used to not so very long ago. Our failure to do so reflects itself in our interactions with our mates, or lack thereof, and our navel gazing focus on the minutiae and detritus of modern life.

When men could say things like "SHUT UP WOMAN, GET ON MY HORSE!" things got done. The Universe was within our grasp. Those were the days.

Now, get out there and sell some Sweet Lemonade.

Modern man a wimp says anthropologist

Modern man a wimp says anthropologist
By John Mehaffey
REUTERS
Wed Oct 14, 2009

LONDON (Reuters) - Many prehistoric Australian aboriginals could have outrun world 100 and 200 meters record holder Usain Bolt in modern conditions.

Some Tutsi men in Rwanda exceeded the current world high jump record of 2.45 meters during initiation ceremonies in which they had to jump at least their own height to progress to manhood.

Any Neanderthal woman could have beaten former bodybuilder and current California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger in an arm wrestle.

These and other eye-catching claims are detailed in a book by Australian anthropologist Peter McAllister entitled "Manthropology" and provocatively sub-titled "The Science of the Inadequate Modern Male."

McAllister sets out his stall in the opening sentence of the prologue.

"If you're reading this then you -- or the male you have bought it for -- are the worst man in history.

"No ifs, no buts -- the worst man, period...As a class we are in fact the sorriest cohort of masculine Homo sapiens to ever walk the planet."

Delving into a wide range of source material McAllister finds evidence he believes proves that modern man is inferior to his predecessors in, among other fields, the basic Olympic athletics disciplines of running and jumping.

His conclusions about the speed of Australian aboriginals 20,000 years ago are based on a set of footprints, preserved in a fossilized claypan lake bed, of six men chasing prey.

FLEET-FOOTED ABORIGINALS

An analysis of the footsteps of one of the men, dubbed T8, shows he reached speeds of 37 kph on a soft, muddy lake edge. Bolt, by comparison, reached a top speed of 42 kph during his then world 100 meters record of 9.69 seconds at last year's Beijing Olympics.

In an interview in the English university town of Cambridge where he was temporarily resident, McAllister said that, with modern training, spiked shoes and rubberized tracks, aboriginal hunters might have reached speeds of 45 kph.

"We can assume they are running close to their maximum if they are chasing an animal," he said.

"But if they can do that speed of 37 kph on very soft ground I suspect there is a strong chance they would have outdone Usain Bolt if they had all the advantages that he does.

"We can tell that T8 is accelerating toward the end of his tracks."

McAllister said it was probable that any number of T8's contemporaries could have run as fast.

"We have to remember too how incredibly rare these fossilizations are," he said. "What are the odds that you would get the fastest runner in Australia at that particular time in that particular place in such a way that was going to be preserved?"

Turning to the high jump, McAllister said photographs taken by a German anthropologist showed young men jumping heights of up to 2.52 meters in the early years of last century.

STARK DECLINE

"It was an initiation ritual, everybody had to do it. They had to be able to jump their own height to progress to manhood," he said.

"It was something they did all the time and they lived very active lives from a very early age. They developed very phenomenal abilities in jumping. They were jumping from boyhood onwards to prove themselves."

McAllister said a Neanderthal woman had 10 percent more muscle bulk than modern European man. Trained to capacity she would have reached 90 percent of Schwarzenegger's bulk at his peak in the 1970s.

"But because of the quirk of her physiology, with a much shorter lower arm, she would slam him to the table without a problem," he said.

Manthropology abounds with other examples:

* Roman legions completed more than one-and-a-half marathons a day carrying more than half their body weight in equipment.

* Athens employed 30,000 rowers who could all exceed the achievements of modern oarsmen.

* Australian aboriginals threw a hardwood spear 110 meters or more (the current world javelin record is 98.48).

McAllister said it was difficult to equate the ancient spear with the modern javelin but added: "Given other evidence of Aboriginal man's superb athleticism you'd have to wonder whether they couldn't have taken out every modern javelin event they entered."

Why the decline?

"We are so inactive these days and have been since the industrial revolution really kicked into gear," McAllister replied. "These people were much more robust than we were.

"We don't see that because we convert to what things were like about 30 years ago. There's been such a stark improvement in times, technique has improved out of sight, times and heights have all improved vastly since then but if you go back further it's a different story.

"At the start of the industrial revolution there are statistics about how much harder people worked then.

"The human body is very plastic and it responds to stress. We have lost 40 percent of the shafts of our long bones because we have much less of a muscular load placed upon them these days.

"We are simply not exposed to the same loads or challenges that people were in the ancient past and even in the recent past so our bodies haven't developed. Even the level of training that we do, our elite athletes, doesn't come close to replicating that.

"We wouldn't want to go back to the brutality of those days but there are some things we would do well to profit from."
 

venkman

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Women have become less robust too. It's why we can't drag them back to our caves by the hair anymore.

wait...that's considered wrong now? :confused:
 

fallout man

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cool story bro.

Edit: It's the queers and the Aye-rabbs who are bringing down our averages!
 

Lemon law

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As the human species have learned to do more with our brain, than our distant ancestors did with their brawn. Its called evolution, certain parts of our bodies gain functionality while other parts lose functionality. So what? If nothing else, we have lost more of our sense of smell than we have lost in our muscles.
 

PJABBER

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Women have become less robust too. It's why we can't drag them back to our caves by the hair anymore.

Women's rights have improved as the use of horses for transport has declined. Not kid friendly.
 

Lanyap

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It's a vast left wing conspiracy. ;)



Originally posted by: Lemon law
As the human species have learned to do more with our brain, than our distant ancestors did with their brawn. Its called evolution, certain parts of our bodies gain functionality while other parts lose functionality. So what? If nothing else, we have lost more of our sense of smell than we have lost in our muscles.

In a few thousand years we'll be brains in a jar, like that star trek episode.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/...14526457&postcount=242

 

fallout man

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas

I'd pay money to see that.

Yeah, and you'd pay money to make sure she wasn't wearing a leotard during the event.

I'm not saying that you're gay in that "don't wanna sex neanderthal women" kind of way, but I just think that you wouldn't dig the whole hirsute thing.

Think about the late Bob Ross (bless his heart) wearing a thong on his head.
 

cubby1223

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Any Neanderthal woman could have beaten former bodybuilder and current California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger in an arm wrestle.

What's more important? Arm wrestling? Or surviving?

Last time I checked, Neanderthals have long been extinct. I'll take survival over arm wrestling skills every time.
 

Steeplerot

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In other words devolving back toward the direction of apes because they are physically stronger is a good thing?

Thanks, but I will take modern civilization even if not being able to juggle VW Bugs makes me a wuss anytime.
This is pure comedy gold, have a banana on me.
 

Siddhartha

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How do the guys, like Einstein and Newton, who did the science and engineering to developed the atomic bomb and go to the moon fit in this "anthropologist's" definition of the "modern man"? Probably he would see them as being wimps.

Wimps developed the most powerful weapon in the history of the world. Wimps went took mankind to the moon. Wimps developed the computer.


 

Moonbeam

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In my teens I used to park my car in a small space front end in and then lift the back up and walk it in.
 

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It's one thing to say genetically different people could have beat modern athletes but to say things like
Athens employed 30,000 rowers who could all exceed the achievements of modern oarsmen.
is plain silly.
 

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
In my teens I used to park my car in a small space front end in and then lift the back up and walk it in.
Me, too. As an adult I often do it with our minivan.

 

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
When men could say things like "SHUT UP WOMAN, GET ON MY HORSE!" things got done. The Universe was within our grasp. Those were the days.

What's wrong PJ, are the girls picking on you again?
 

Atreus21

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
Do you ever wonder why so many of the threads here deteriorate into hissy fits?

A new book has been published that explains it all through "Manthropology."

You might not be able to run faster than the local highway speed limit or march the equivalent of 1.5 marathons while carrying half your body weight on your back every day. So what are you good for besides sitting there in your underwear typing like there was no tomorrow, a perfectly good waste of the human gene pool.

Some of us are mighty proud to be able to get out and do that hour or so of hard physical exercise every day, while others are happy just to not let that last drop of JOLT or Horse Pop go to waste. REAL men put in 12 hours a day of hard physical exercise, or they used to not so very long ago. Our failure to do so reflects itself in our interactions with our mates, or lack thereof, and our navel gazing focus on the minutiae and detritus of modern life.

When men could say things like "SHUT UP WOMAN, GET ON MY HORSE!" things got done. The Universe was within our grasp. Those were the days.

Now, get out there and sell some Sweet Lemonade.

Modern man a wimp says anthropologist

Modern man a wimp says anthropologist
By John Mehaffey
REUTERS
Wed Oct 14, 2009

LONDON (Reuters) - Many prehistoric Australian aboriginals could have outrun world 100 and 200 meters record holder Usain Bolt in modern conditions.

Some Tutsi men in Rwanda exceeded the current world high jump record of 2.45 meters during initiation ceremonies in which they had to jump at least their own height to progress to manhood.

Any Neanderthal woman could have beaten former bodybuilder and current California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger in an arm wrestle.

These and other eye-catching claims are detailed in a book by Australian anthropologist Peter McAllister entitled "Manthropology" and provocatively sub-titled "The Science of the Inadequate Modern Male."

McAllister sets out his stall in the opening sentence of the prologue.

"If you're reading this then you -- or the male you have bought it for -- are the worst man in history.

"No ifs, no buts -- the worst man, period...As a class we are in fact the sorriest cohort of masculine Homo sapiens to ever walk the planet."

Delving into a wide range of source material McAllister finds evidence he believes proves that modern man is inferior to his predecessors in, among other fields, the basic Olympic athletics disciplines of running and jumping.

His conclusions about the speed of Australian aboriginals 20,000 years ago are based on a set of footprints, preserved in a fossilized claypan lake bed, of six men chasing prey.

FLEET-FOOTED ABORIGINALS

An analysis of the footsteps of one of the men, dubbed T8, shows he reached speeds of 37 kph on a soft, muddy lake edge. Bolt, by comparison, reached a top speed of 42 kph during his then world 100 meters record of 9.69 seconds at last year's Beijing Olympics.

In an interview in the English university town of Cambridge where he was temporarily resident, McAllister said that, with modern training, spiked shoes and rubberized tracks, aboriginal hunters might have reached speeds of 45 kph.

"We can assume they are running close to their maximum if they are chasing an animal," he said.

"But if they can do that speed of 37 kph on very soft ground I suspect there is a strong chance they would have outdone Usain Bolt if they had all the advantages that he does.

"We can tell that T8 is accelerating toward the end of his tracks."

McAllister said it was probable that any number of T8's contemporaries could have run as fast.

"We have to remember too how incredibly rare these fossilizations are," he said. "What are the odds that you would get the fastest runner in Australia at that particular time in that particular place in such a way that was going to be preserved?"

Turning to the high jump, McAllister said photographs taken by a German anthropologist showed young men jumping heights of up to 2.52 meters in the early years of last century.

STARK DECLINE

"It was an initiation ritual, everybody had to do it. They had to be able to jump their own height to progress to manhood," he said.

"It was something they did all the time and they lived very active lives from a very early age. They developed very phenomenal abilities in jumping. They were jumping from boyhood onwards to prove themselves."

McAllister said a Neanderthal woman had 10 percent more muscle bulk than modern European man. Trained to capacity she would have reached 90 percent of Schwarzenegger's bulk at his peak in the 1970s.

"But because of the quirk of her physiology, with a much shorter lower arm, she would slam him to the table without a problem," he said.

Manthropology abounds with other examples:

* Roman legions completed more than one-and-a-half marathons a day carrying more than half their body weight in equipment.

* Athens employed 30,000 rowers who could all exceed the achievements of modern oarsmen.

* Australian aboriginals threw a hardwood spear 110 meters or more (the current world javelin record is 98.48).

McAllister said it was difficult to equate the ancient spear with the modern javelin but added: "Given other evidence of Aboriginal man's superb athleticism you'd have to wonder whether they couldn't have taken out every modern javelin event they entered."

Why the decline?

"We are so inactive these days and have been since the industrial revolution really kicked into gear," McAllister replied. "These people were much more robust than we were.

"We don't see that because we convert to what things were like about 30 years ago. There's been such a stark improvement in times, technique has improved out of sight, times and heights have all improved vastly since then but if you go back further it's a different story.

"At the start of the industrial revolution there are statistics about how much harder people worked then.

"The human body is very plastic and it responds to stress. We have lost 40 percent of the shafts of our long bones because we have much less of a muscular load placed upon them these days.

"We are simply not exposed to the same loads or challenges that people were in the ancient past and even in the recent past so our bodies haven't developed. Even the level of training that we do, our elite athletes, doesn't come close to replicating that.

"We wouldn't want to go back to the brutality of those days but there are some things we would do well to profit from."

If you're interested PJABBER, I'd recommend a book called "Manliness" by Harvey C. Mansfield (a pen-name obviously). It talks about the place of manly men in a supposedly gender-nuetral society.

He places a very good definition on manliness. For him it is simply confidence in the face of risk. I can think of no better.
 

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I attended a very good all day seminar on Alzheimers and other dementias yesterday. As everyone knows we have a huge problem with obesity, diabetes and other problems, especially in this country. We aren't living as long as other developed nations, and that has led some to point to other countries and say the difference is the health care system.

Well, no it's not. The difference isn't medicine, it's culture. Go to Italy, and you'll find that it's common for the father to come home for lunch, which is not a ten minute break shoving a hot dog down your throat affair. It's a long break, and often there's a nap involved. Us? We pride ourselves on how much stuff we get done. Better ants in the colony. The problem is that kills us. Our real problem is that we've created a societal model that doesn't match physiology. When hunting prey we had hormones that would allow us to catch it or flee from danger. Today we can't run and we can't fight. That leads to chronic dumping of hormones that are toxic. That creates obesity, high blood pressure, diabetes, and contributes to Alzheimers. So the problem from a health standpoint isn't our standard of care or even ourselves, but that we are prisoners of a culture that won't let us be as fit as those who lived long ago.

Someone will probably mention all the benefits of what we have today, and that would be correct however as I've pointed out we in America are most obsessed with making ourselves sick.
 
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Originally posted by: Lemon law
As the human species have learned to do more with our brain, than our distant ancestors did with their brawn. Its called evolution, certain parts of our bodies gain functionality while other parts lose functionality. So what? If nothing else, we have lost more of our sense of smell than we have lost in our muscles.

Well it also has to do with that being a "man" is now defined by being a fat shit that sits around and drinks beer while watching football. Rooting for "his" team as if he had any sort of financial interest in it.
 

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Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Originally posted by: Lemon law
As the human species have learned to do more with our brain, than our distant ancestors did with their brawn. Its called evolution, certain parts of our bodies gain functionality while other parts lose functionality. So what? If nothing else, we have lost more of our sense of smell than we have lost in our muscles.

Well it also has to do with that being a "man" is now defined by being a fat shit that sits around and drinks beer while watching football. Rooting for "his" team as if he had any sort of financial interest in it.
I fvcking love you (but in a manly way). You are exactly correct. The quintessential American male is a BBQ eating beer drinking buffoon who knows more about "the game" than anything else in his life and certainly cares about it more than anything. He can rattle off statistics about a given team's numbers but can't even run around the block without risking a coronary event.

 

PJABBER

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While I imagine there are not that many women engaged by this thread, I wonder if those that are could bother to comment. Is this particular demonstration of Darwinism appealing, or is it too dirty to touch?