Modern day job postings for "entry level" jobs...

[sze5003]

Everyone's definition of entry level is different. On paper my job said entry level. One year in I'm writing code that deals with complex algorithms, multi threading, not something we learned in school. It's also not something in a lot of other places that entry level people do. Mostly senior and tech leads are allowed to handle things like that.

If you read the job description and requirements of entry level you would be like oh no issues I can do that easily. As soon as you get situated your given something completely different.

So a lot of places want people with experience. It sucks but that's how it is. My company hired some experienced people to get on our team and deal with this new technology. Turns out I know more about it than they do and so does my co-worker but we didn't say shit it because there's more than enough work to do.

 

[Humpy]

That many people are unable to meet the requirements of some entry level jobs means that the requirements are stupid and should be lessened to appease modern day tards.

 

[mmntech]

I wonder how much of that varies on location / parent company of the station. One of our local radio stations advertises for interns every one-two years. They used to put them on the air alongside the permanent radio personality for a few hours sporadically throughout the week, but I haven't paid much attention in a while. This is a college area, so they may handle it different, but I think it was Clearwire that owned the station.

Who knows how many they have sitting in the back (or e-mailing in) just doing stories / researching for the permanent DJ.

Smaller stations might put them on air but not the larger ones. The one in Toronto I interned for just had me shadowing the hosts and writing copy stories for their website. I did do a lot of voice recording when they didn't need me. Said they liked my work but the chances of them hiring for any of us interns was slim. So that puts you in a real bind. How are you supposed to get the two years needed to even apply for entry level work at other places?

In media, you either volunteer, or just keep harassing some small place to give you a chance.

 

[CPA]

That many people are unable to meet the requirements of some entry level jobs means that the requirements are stupid and should be lessened to appease modern day tards.

Which means I would still have no one to do the work even though I have a warm body in the chair.

 

[Rakehellion]

A 4-year university is just a glorified daycare.

 

[Mai72]

A 4-year university is just a glorified daycare.

:hmm:

 

[Ns1]

A 4-year university is just a glorified daycare.

if daycare offered free condoms, an opportunity to hook up with your peers, and copius amounts of debauchery, then yes I agree.

 

[OCGuy]

if daycare offered free condoms, an opportunity to hook up with your peers, and copius amounts of debauchery, then yes I agree.

Yea if a university reminds someone of daycare, they should have a tracking bracelet on their ankle, and be forced to register on a list somewhere.

 

[Mai72]

Can I enter the computer field with a degree in special education?

 

[sze5003]

Can I enter the computer field with a degree in special education?

If you start at a company that is small and do help desk, data entry, support then take some certifications you could work your way towards something else. It's not as easy of course.

 

[xSauronx]

I never let the job requirements stop me from applying.

seriously. i hated my last job and the ad for the one i have now was crap. they listed a ridiclous amount of skills they were seeking...i dont do development, sql, db administration, yadda yadda.

but i do most of the other stuff.
AND there was staff that do what i dont anyways.
took the interview just to get back into the feel of interviews and landed a GREAT job.

 

[rudeguy]

For all of you bashing HR and company expectations, let me voice the other side of this issue: those of us who are interviewing and hiring.

What I'm finding in the accounting field are people who, even after 4 or 5 years of college education, still don't know how to reconcile their bank account; they can't tell you how they would react when a department manager is breathing down their neck about charges that mysteriously hit their department P&L; their first response to how they would handle an accounting error/issue is "I would ask my manager". Sorry, that's not going to fly in today's environment. There are no more company "career-path" position or weeks of training. You need to know your shit now or be able to learn very quickly.

Real world answers to these types of situations come with real world experience, even at the entry level position. Yes, that means my entry level accounting positions are going to require 2-4 years of accounting experience in addition to the education requirement. No experience, they you may be a good candidate for an accounting coordinator position. Yes, the pay isn't as good and you may have to deal with the mundane tasks of accounting, but you'll get your foot in the door and learn at a decent pace.

But that's the problem: HR seem to think that a degree somehow magically gives a person 10 years of experience. I will never understand why a degree is worth more than experience.

 

[shortylickens]

Ignorant and out of touch HR departments. Its a curse.

I swear the only way to really get into a job right now is through a headhunter/temp agency.

No.
They know exactly what they are doing. The economy sucks and employers can be picky as fuck. This is to weed out the thousands of people they wouldn't talk to anyway.


Plus, if you can actually do the job and dont meet the BullShit requirements, you can apply anyway and as long as you present yourself well, you will still get a phone interview.

 

[shortylickens]

But that's the problem: HR seem to think that a degree somehow magically gives a person 10 years of experience. I will never understand why a degree is worth more than experience.

Thats not the real problem. The real problem is: How do I get experience if no one wants to give me experience?

I had the good sense to join the Navy, but as time goes on and my RADAR and radio training becomes less relevant, I'm back to being unskilled labor in the eyes of recruiters.

 

[Red Storm]

Honestly I think they do it to scare off people who aren't sure of themselves and/or their skills. I don't have my degree but that didn't stop me from applying to and getting multiple jobs that all supposedly "required" a degree. If you know your stuff and can show it they will hire you.

 

[edro]

Can I enter the computer field with a degree in special education?

Of course you can; especially in tech support.
You would have an upper hand since you know how to educate tards.

 

[rudeguy]

No.
They know exactly what they are doing. The economy sucks and employers can be picky as fuck. This is to weed out the thousands of people they wouldn't talk to anyway.


Plus, if you can actually do the job and dont meet the BullShit requirements, you can apply anyway and as long as you present yourself well, you will still get a phone interview.

Oh really? Is that how you got your job?

 

[shortylickens]

Oh really? Is that how you got your job?

thats how I got my last 3 jobs.

My first job working in a bakery was because I knew a guy at the grocery store. Didnt know shit about baking.

So yeah, social networking still trumps all.

 

[rudeguy]

thats how I got my last 3 jobs.

My first job working in a bakery was because I knew a guy at the grocery store. Didnt know shit about baking.

So yeah, social networking still trumps all.

So you used networking to get your job?

 

[crashtestdummy]

The economy sucks and employers can be picky as fuck. This is to weed out the thousands of people they wouldn't talk to anyway.

This is the key everyone else seems to be missing. Employers can put up these requirements because right now there are people with experience willing to take entry-level positions. Our standard of thinking about this is still rooted in the 90s and early 2000s, when unemployment was low and companies had to compete for low-level staff. If companies had less choice, they'd ease up on their standards.

 

[sze5003]

I know many people that use networking to get their jobs, and even promotions. I got my internship through networking with a professor years ago. We still chat, I got good experience there too. I would say 70% of my IT graduating class would not have found work if it wasn't from knowing someone from the previous year that got a job and referred them.

My company gives you money if they happen to be looking and you have a friend apply writing your name as a reference. They take a shit ton of taxes out of the money but it's a couple hundred if your friend gets hired.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

This is the key everyone else seems to be missing. Employers can put up these requirements because right now there are people with experience willing to take entry-level positions. Our standard of thinking about this is still rooted in the 90s and early 2000s, when unemployment was low and companies had to compete for low-level staff. If companies had less choice, they'd ease up on their standards.

This is precisely why our thinking on work, in general, needs to change. What are we going to do in 20-50 years when the computers are writing better code than any of you ever could? It's time to explain to people what a guaranteed income is and why everyone should be in favor of it, even if you previously held the naïve notion that it is a *gasp* handout. What worth will human labor have when there are robots who can think at the speed of light and repair, design, and build each other?

 

[rudder]

WTF? Wow!! MY father has a 4th grade education, and he has done a lot better then these people with their advanced degrees. D:

Then again, the employment scene 20-30 years ago was much different.

It is a little different... but 20-30 years ago there was not a huge push to get every high school graduate into college. Easy loan money enabled this. So now we have a lot of people running around with college degrees that are worthless.

Normally I would say many people would be better off skipping college and learning a trade... but even this is different that 20-30 years ago. Now people without college degrees have to compete with cheaper illegal labor.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

This is the key everyone else seems to be missing. Employers can put up these requirements because right now there are people with experience willing to take entry-level positions. Our standard of thinking about this is still rooted in the 90s and early 2000s, when unemployment was low and companies had to compete for low-level staff. If companies had less choice, they'd ease up on their standards.

The problem with companies thinking like this is that eventually, they're going to be on the other side of the table when the economy improves and people will leave in large numbers.

I think the reason many of them have these absurd requirements is because they know they aren't really required and when they find a good fit who may not have every requirement in the job posting, they can justify paying a lower salary to that person with the excuse "Well, you don't have requirement x, y, or z, but we think you're a great fit and can 'learn' on the job! We'll have to start you out at a lower level, of course."

 

[sze5003]

Yea they go with the lower salary no matter what. I'm so tired of heading over to visit my mother every now and then and I have to hear her blabber about go get your masters because you need it. Like 70k of loans isn't enough I should just take more on. In my line of work a master's is not needed and even so, if you didn't work and went straight to school after undergrad well you still need experience.