Modded XBox's being banned from Xbox Live

[JohnAn2112]

People on Xbox-scene and other various message boards have reported that they are getting banned from Xbox Live when they connect, even with the mod chip turned off. I have yet to be banned with my modded Xbox, but I just started playing Halo 2 online tonight. Has anyone here had this problem yet?

 

[Feneant2]

Well, if people are using pirated versions, they deserve nothing less, but its not right to ban people who bought the game.

 

[drag]

There are lots of reasons to mod a Xbox that have absolutely nothing to do with piracy.

For instance a Xbox makes a great Linux computer, and when properly modded you should be able to play on video games then be able to boot off of a linux partition inside the harddrive.

 

[Modeps]

This isnt anything new, xbox live would not work before the launch of Halo 2 if you attempted to use a modded xbox on XBL... perhaps they've just made the detection more strict?

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: Modeps
This isnt anything new, xbox live would not work before the launch of Halo 2 if you attempted to use a modded xbox on XBL... perhaps they've just made the detection more strict?

No, a modded XBOX would work on Live as long as you turned off the mod chip everytime. from what it seems is that no matter what now if its off or not you get banned w/ Halo 2.

MIKE

 

[royaldank]

They can easily see your HD size and contents. People have been fearing this sort of banning procedure for awhile. Oh well.

 

[ArmchairAthlete]

Originally posted by: drag
There are lots of reasons to mod a Xbox that have absolutely nothing to do with piracy.

For instance a Xbox makes a great Linux computer, and when properly modded you should be able to play on video games then be able to boot off of a linux partition inside the harddrive.

But they probably don't really care if they can ban all the pirates that easily. I bet pirating is the main reason people mod anyhow, seems to be around here. This is M$, they probably aren't too fond of people using their Xboxes for Linux too heh.

 

[JoPh]

good. we dont need hackers online. they will just end up cheating and ruin the game

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Yeah, sounds like a good decision to me. Props to Microsoft for making the right decision, not the easy or popular one.

 

[Slick5150]

The right decision?

I modded my Xbox and it has nothing to do with piracy. Xbox Media Center is a godsend.

If I get banned, I'm going to be pissed.

 

[erikistired]

i'd have to agree. if you want to run linux or whatever else on your xbox then buy 2 and use the non-modded one for gaming online. don't wanna buy two? too bad i guess, because the truth of the matter is that a lot of people hack, and MS is trying to stop it, and props to them for doing all they can.

 

[Modeps]

I'm guessing that you'll read somewhere in their XBL TOS that its against policy to modify your xbox and they reserve the right to suspend accounts because of it.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: ArmchairAthlete

Originally posted by: drag
There are lots of reasons to mod a Xbox that have absolutely nothing to do with piracy.

For instance a Xbox makes a great Linux computer, and when properly modded you should be able to play on video games then be able to boot off of a linux partition inside the harddrive.

But they probably don't really care if they can ban all the pirates that easily. I bet pirating is the main reason people mod anyhow, seems to be around here. This is M$, they probably aren't too fond of people using their Xboxes for Linux too heh.

please refer here for proper usage of the dollar sign.

thanks.

 

[imported_jediknight]

Originally posted by: Modeps
I'm guessing that you'll read somewhere in their XBL TOS that its against policy to modify your xbox and they reserve the right to suspend accounts because of it.

Probably. I wasn't too fond of the idea of paying to play games online that I've already paid for.. and this just pushes me farther away from caving in and getting an XBox live subscription..

As far as I'm concerned, it's MY hardware, and I'LL do what *I* want with it.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: jediknight

Originally posted by: Modeps
I'm guessing that you'll read somewhere in their XBL TOS that its against policy to modify your xbox and they reserve the right to suspend accounts because of it.

Probably. I wasn't too fond of the idea of paying to play games online that I've already paid for.. and this just pushes me farther away from caving in and getting an XBox live subscription..

As far as I'm concerned, it's MY hardware, and I'LL do what *I* want with it.

Well XBL is THEIR system and they'll do what THEY want with it, tough guy. So why complain when you do the same thing?

 

[Anubis]

i think its a good idea in general, i know there are a bunch of legit reasons to mod your xbox, but the fact is that most people do it for the illegal ones, so they can rent games and just rip them onto the xbox HDD, i knjow people that have almost every xbox game on their modded xbox, and they have paied for none of them

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: jediknight

Originally posted by: Modeps
I'm guessing that you'll read somewhere in their XBL TOS that its against policy to modify your xbox and they reserve the right to suspend accounts because of it.

Probably. I wasn't too fond of the idea of paying to play games online that I've already paid for.. and this just pushes me farther away from caving in and getting an XBox live subscription..

As far as I'm concerned, it's MY hardware, and I'LL do what *I* want with it.

which is fine. but by taking that stance you are missing out on one of the great things about the xbox which is online play. it takes money to keep all that stuff going, and therefore they charge for it. from the sound of it tho the people who are playing benefit from you not being online because they don't have to listen to this tired rant of "it's my hardware i'll do what i want".

 

[GiggityGiggity]

Reasons to use a mod chip. Loading games from the hard drive is just sooooooo much faster, easily cuts the time in half if not more. Also, I hate cut scenes and all that other crap they think adds to the experience, so I can remove them altogether and be on my merry old way. Trainers, if you want to be a trueist and play the same section 4.2 million times until you get a perfect time/score/run whatever, have fun....I'll skip it and continue to play the rest of the game. Emulate!!! I've got just about every single Intellivision, C64, Atari, Nes, SNES, Sega, etc...rom and emulator out there. There are very simple ways of getting around the whole Xbox live w/mod chip issue (you can hide partitions/replace original drive, upgrade your chip/bios , etc..), but if you want to play one of the only half way decent live games, why don't you go for broke and play the real version....UT, no subscription required.

 

[Modeps]

Originally posted by: GiggityGiggity
Reasons to use a mod chip. Loading games from the hard drive is just sooooooo much faster, easily cuts the time in half if not more. Also, I hate cut scenes and all that other crap they think adds to the experience, so I can remove them altogether and be on my merry old way. Trainers, if you want to be a trueist and play the same section 4.2 million times until you get a perfect time/score/run whatever, have fun....I'll skip it and continue to play the rest of the game. Emulate!!! I've got just about every single Intellivision, C64, Atari, Nes, SNES, Sega, etc...rom and emulator out there. There are very simple ways of getting around the whole Xbox live w/mod chip issue (you can hide partitions/replace original drive, upgrade your chip/bios , etc..), but if you want to play one of the only half way decent live games, why don't you go for broke and play the real version....UT, no subscription required.

Do you happen to own every single nes, snes, sega game out there? If not, you're a thief.
Taking out cut scenes? Sounds like you didnt pay for the game if you're doing that... For my $50, I watch every cut scene and FMV I come across, including the intros.
Trainers are for those that are less skilled.
Also, the load time on the xbox is typically phenominal. There's really very little reason to complain about them.

Now, if you came in and praised the wonders of Media Center, then I wouldnt be giving you crap, but I cant stand thieves.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Modeps

Originally posted by: GiggityGiggity
Reasons to use a mod chip. Loading games from the hard drive is just sooooooo much faster, easily cuts the time in half if not more. Also, I hate cut scenes and all that other crap they think adds to the experience, so I can remove them altogether and be on my merry old way. Trainers, if you want to be a trueist and play the same section 4.2 million times until you get a perfect time/score/run whatever, have fun....I'll skip it and continue to play the rest of the game. Emulate!!! I've got just about every single Intellivision, C64, Atari, Nes, SNES, Sega, etc...rom and emulator out there. There are very simple ways of getting around the whole Xbox live w/mod chip issue (you can hide partitions/replace original drive, upgrade your chip/bios , etc..), but if you want to play one of the only half way decent live games, why don't you go for broke and play the real version....UT, no subscription required.

Do you happen to own every single nes, snes, sega game out there? If not, you're a thief.
Taking out cut scenes? Sounds like you didnt pay for the game if you're doing that... For my $50, I watch every cut scene and FMV I come across, including the intros.
Trainers are for those that are less skilled.
Also, the load time on the xbox is typically phenominal. There's really very little reason to complain about them.

Now, if you came in and praised the wonders of Media Center, then I wouldnt be giving you crap, but I cant stand thieves.

why do you delete content from the game? youmight not need trainers but you can usially skip them, and the load times on newer games isnt bad at all, hell Halo 2 loads once asnd thats about it, a blip here or there but nothing like the first game, and I agree with modeps, ALL emeulators are illegal unless you own the game and game system as well, just because its old makes no diff

and you realize for the price of your modding you could have just purchased thoes games and a year of live and not had to worry about it

 

[GiggityGiggity]

Originally posted by: Modeps

Originally posted by: GiggityGiggity
Reasons to use a mod chip. Loading games from the hard drive is just sooooooo much faster, easily cuts the time in half if not more. Also, I hate cut scenes and all that other crap they think adds to the experience, so I can remove them altogether and be on my merry old way. Trainers, if you want to be a trueist and play the same section 4.2 million times until you get a perfect time/score/run whatever, have fun....I'll skip it and continue to play the rest of the game. Emulate!!! I've got just about every single Intellivision, C64, Atari, Nes, SNES, Sega, etc...rom and emulator out there. There are very simple ways of getting around the whole Xbox live w/mod chip issue (you can hide partitions/replace original drive, upgrade your chip/bios , etc..), but if you want to play one of the only half way decent live games, why don't you go for broke and play the real version....UT, no subscription required.

Do you happen to own every single nes, snes, sega game out there? If not, you're a thief.
Taking out cut scenes? Sounds like you didnt pay for the game if you're doing that... For my $50, I watch every cut scene and FMV I come across, including the intros.
Trainers are for those that are less skilled.
Also, the load time on the xbox is typically phenominal. There's really very little reason to complain about them.

Now, if you came in and praised the wonders of Media Center, then I wouldnt be giving you crap, but I cant stand thieves.

With the exception of the roms, i do own the games. Most of those games aren't available in the US, discontinued, or were only available on systems no longer around. Roms are the only way they are perpeatuated, and many of them are in the public domain or considered abandonedware (http://www.the-underdogs.org). And I haven't even played a 1/100th of them, but If i want to I can, just a benefit of a mod chip.

You can easily remove the cut scenes from most games, they are just files you delete or replace with 0 byte files. Rip the game, delete the fat, what's so dificult about that? It conserves space and gets rid of annoying cutscenes. If you love them, great. But I don't, so don't get uppity with me because I know of a way to remove them.

Less skilled...ok. I don't care. I'm sure you are exponentially more proficient at any number of mundane and trivial tasks then me, lets add xbox to that list.

And the loads times may be impressive for a console, but they're still annoying. Reducing them significantly is a good thing to me. Sit and spin all you like while nitpicking my post, I'll take 50% less BS.

 

[imported_jediknight]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: jediknight

Originally posted by: Modeps
I'm guessing that you'll read somewhere in their XBL TOS that its against policy to modify your xbox and they reserve the right to suspend accounts because of it.

Probably. I wasn't too fond of the idea of paying to play games online that I've already paid for.. and this just pushes me farther away from caving in and getting an XBox live subscription..

As far as I'm concerned, it's MY hardware, and I'LL do what *I* want with it.

Well XBL is THEIR system and they'll do what THEY want with it, tough guy. So why complain when you do the same thing?

Well, unless it's specifically in the TOS (as there probably is) that MS can ban people from the XBox-live service for arbitrary/discretionary reasons (or if modding is specifically mentioned).. then Microsoft is probably violating their contract.

I'm not complaining (or, at least I don't think I am.. it may sound different to you..), and I haven't modded my XBox. But personally, I am unwilling to commit to the XBox live service if it will restrict me from doing what I want to with my hardware (do the "banned" people even get their money back for the remainder of their subscription?).

 

[Modeps]

From the TOS:

10. SERVICE OPERATION AND EQUIPMENT
Xbox Live may only be accessed with an unmodified, except for Microsoft authorised repairs and upgrades, Xbox video game console. Any attempt to disassemble, decompile, create derivative works of, reverse engineer, modify, further sublicense, distribute or use for other purposes either the hardware or software of the Xbox or the Service, is strictly prohibited and may result in termination of your account and/or your ability to access Xbox Live via your Xbox, and the pursuit of other legal remedies by Microsoft. Microsoft may take any legal action it deems appropriate against users who violate Microsoft's systems or network security, and such users may also incur criminal and/or civil liability.

Microsoft reserves complete and sole discretion with respect to the operation of Xbox Live. Microsoft may, among other things: (a) restrict or limit access to Xbox Live; (b) retrieve information from the Xbox used to log onto Xbox Live as necessary to operate and protect the security of Xbox Live, and to enforce this Agreement and (c) upgrade, modify, withdraw, suspend, or discontinue any functionality or feature of Xbox Live or any game from time to time without notice, which may involve the automatic download of related software directly to your Xbox video game console, and which software may prevent your Xbox from accessing Xbox Live. Except as otherwise provided by applicable law, Microsoft has no obligation to maintain any content or services, and has no responsibility or liability for the deletion, loss, corruption or failure to store any messages, software or other information or content maintained or transmitted by or through Xbox Live.

 

[Wingznut]

I'll reiterate what's been said before... The overwhelming majority of people who mod their Xbox are doing it for piracy.

If you are one of the incredibly very few who mod their Xbox, and don't steal... Well, I guess you're getting the shaft if you get banned off Xbox Live. All one or two of you.

 

[imported_chrisbtx]

Originally posted by: Modeps
...and to enforce this Agreement and (c) upgrade, modify, withdraw, suspend, or discontinue any functionality or feature of Xbox Live or any game from time to time without notice, which may involve the automatic download of related software directly to your Xbox video game console, and which software may prevent your Xbox from accessing Xbox Live.

[/quote]

I'm admittedly ignorant when it comes to anything regarding Xbox modifications, (I just bought mine last week and have no plans to mod considering the only good thing I saw from it was the media center app and I already have TiVo) but since it's just software that stops you and, from what I gather, those who have modded their Xbox consoles have access to the hard drives, couldn't you just go in and delete the software?

Like I said, I am completely ignorant on the matter, so please don't bash if it sounds like I have no clue what I'm talking about (because I don't ).