Mock the Vote

[Praxis1452]

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Alright in sum: Democracy is a failure which uses majority in much the same way religion has used god and dictatorships have used military power.

 

[jpeyton]

And yet turnout is supposed to hit a new record this year.

They must have found a replacement for you.

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
And yet turnout is supposed to hit a new record this year.

They must have found a replacement for you.

Thanks for proving the point.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Praxis1452
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I pretty much agree with the critique on democracy and the uselessness of voting in the 2-party system. The fact that majority is used in the name of oppression is the same as using religion or military power.

And,,,,,,,,,fvcking AND

I got apples and oranges but I want fruits from MARS. I'm going to go cry till i get my fruit from Mars. Life is so darn unfair. How could the world be so cruel. Wah wah wah,,,there's only those two stupid parties.

Start a third party that can get some votes or shut the fvck up.

 

[SleepWalkerX]

Originally posted by: Praxis1452
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I pretty much agree with the critique on democracy and the uselessness of voting in the 2-party system. The fact that majority is used in the name of oppression is the same as using religion or military power.

I'll agree. Just because the majority has power and control does not make the majority's set of rules just. And even though we are supposed to be a republic, our basic rights are consistently violated. I think our forefather's new vision of governance was an interesting experiment and definitely pushed the boundaries of philosophy and law, but I think we, as a society, are capable of building an ever better form of society because we contain the hindsight of all previous experiments by previous societies.

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Praxis1452
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I pretty much agree with the critique on democracy and the uselessness of voting in the 2-party system. The fact that majority is used in the name of oppression is the same as using religion or military power.

And,,,,,,,,,fvcking AND

I got apples and oranges but I want fruits from MARS. I'm going to go cry till i get my fruit from Mars. Life is so darn unfair. How could the world be so cruel. Wah wah wah,,,there's only those two stupid parties.

Start a third party that can get some votes or shut the fvck up.

And you missed the point of the article. It is not really a criticizing the two-party system as point out the failures of democracy itself.

A parties goal is to get enough votes and support to institute their own reforms and law. I think if you had read the article and thought for all of 30 seconds you would have been able to realize that a party is exactly the last thing I want to create.

Why would a party serve my goals if the use of majority to oppress is the same as religion or military force? Oh right... I wouldn't.

*whoosh* over your head.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Praxis1452
The fact that majority is used in the name of oppression is the same as using religion or military power.

WTF is this supposed to mean?

 

[SleepWalkerX]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Praxis1452
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I pretty much agree with the critique on democracy and the uselessness of voting in the 2-party system. The fact that majority is used in the name of oppression is the same as using religion or military power.

And,,,,,,,,,fvcking AND

I got apples and oranges but I want fruits from MARS. I'm going to go cry till i get my fruit from Mars. Life is so darn unfair. How could the world be so cruel. Wah wah wah,,,there's only those two stupid parties.

Start a third party that can get some votes or shut the fvck up.

Why must we continue to operate within a win-lose mindset? You have to loose so I can be happy because otherwise you'll do the opposite to me. This is not how society should operate.

The free market and voluntary association has shown what a society that operates on win-win relationships could look like. Both parties enter a transaction and both either walk away with what they came with or walk away with an exchange they both agreed with. And there's no reason why a set of rules written on paper by a "very important group of people" is any more significant than rules that we construct ourselves between us and our fellow peers. So why not create a certain set of rules we can all benefit from?

I personally believe that the next step in our forms of society is moving on from a violent one and coercive one to one that acknowledges that no human should be forced to do something against their will and that form of society will create its own set of rules to operate around that principle. Remember guys, violence is always wrong.

I'm really not too worried though. I know this will eventually happen as long as technology improves. After all, technology brought about concepts that revolutionized more positive change in society than any government or religion ever will. It brought the old age the printing press and it brought our age the internet. It'd just be nice to see this kind of world in our age.

 

[SagaLore]

The article is good. However, I have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: SagaLore
The article is good. However, I have no idea what you are talking about.

Alright I rephrased it. =)

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: SleepWalkerX

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Praxis1452
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I pretty much agree with the critique on democracy and the uselessness of voting in the 2-party system. The fact that majority is used in the name of oppression is the same as using religion or military power.

And,,,,,,,,,fvcking AND

I got apples and oranges but I want fruits from MARS. I'm going to go cry till i get my fruit from Mars. Life is so darn unfair. How could the world be so cruel. Wah wah wah,,,there's only those two stupid parties.

Start a third party that can get some votes or shut the fvck up.

Why must we continue to operate within a win-lose mindset? You have to loose so I can be happy because otherwise you'll do the opposite to me. This is not how society should operate.

The free market and voluntary association has shown what a society that operates on win-win relationships could look like. Both parties enter a transaction and both either walk away with what they came with or walk away with an exchange they both agreed with. And there's no reason why a set of rules written on paper by a "very important group of people" is any more significant than rules that we construct ourselves between us and our fellow peers. So why not create a certain set of rules we can all benefit from?

I personally believe that the next step in our forms of society is moving on from a violent one and coercive one to one that acknowledges that no human should be forced to do something against their will and that form of society will create its own set of rules to operate around that principle. Remember guys, violence is always wrong.

I'm really not too worried though. I know this will eventually happen as long as technology improves. After all, technology brought about concepts that revolutionized more positive change in society than any government or religion ever will. It brought the old age the printing press and it brought our age the internet. It'd just be nice to see this kind of world in our age.

You are a sweet person. The question is how. How do you end violence? It isn't going to happen through technology. Technology means more efficient ways to kill.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Praxis1452

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Praxis1452
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I pretty much agree with the critique on democracy and the uselessness of voting in the 2-party system. The fact that majority is used in the name of oppression is the same as using religion or military power.

And,,,,,,,,,fvcking AND

I got apples and oranges but I want fruits from MARS. I'm going to go cry till i get my fruit from Mars. Life is so darn unfair. How could the world be so cruel. Wah wah wah,,,there's only those two stupid parties.

Start a third party that can get some votes or shut the fvck up.

And you missed the point of the article. It is not really a criticizing the two-party system as point out the failures of democracy itself.

A parties goal is to get enough votes and support to institute their own reforms and law. I think if you had read the article and thought for all of 30 seconds you would have been able to realize that a party is exactly the last thing I want to create.

Why would a party serve my goals if the use of majority to oppress is the same as religion or military force? Oh right... I wouldn't.

*whoosh* over your head.

What goals? What's your answer to the failure of democracy?

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Praxis1452

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Praxis1452
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I pretty much agree with the critique on democracy and the uselessness of voting in the 2-party system. The fact that majority is used in the name of oppression is the same as using religion or military power.

And,,,,,,,,,fvcking AND

I got apples and oranges but I want fruits from MARS. I'm going to go cry till i get my fruit from Mars. Life is so darn unfair. How could the world be so cruel. Wah wah wah,,,there's only those two stupid parties.

Start a third party that can get some votes or shut the fvck up.

And you missed the point of the article. It is not really a criticizing the two-party system as point out the failures of democracy itself.

A parties goal is to get enough votes and support to institute their own reforms and law. I think if you had read the article and thought for all of 30 seconds you would have been able to realize that a party is exactly the last thing I want to create.

Why would a party serve my goals if the use of majority to oppress is the same as religion or military force? Oh right... I wouldn't.

*whoosh* over your head.

What goals? What's your answer to the failure of democracy?

My goal is for myself to be free. I know simple concept. This belief in majority annihilates the freedoms of all minorities and should not be used as a justification for coercion.

The answer to government is not revolution. Revolution merely replaces the current evil with another and renews the perpetuation. What should people who don't respect democracy do? Ignore it. You're not trying to fight the system because doing so accepts a system itself. Disregard the oppression of others because it has no right to exist.

Voluntary choice can accomplish what governments have done for millenniums. In fact voluntary choice would lead to the formation of democracy among other forms of government. Voluntary choice comes with the ability to withdraw at any time though.

You asked quite a broad question so kinda a vague response in some respects.

 

[SleepWalkerX]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
You are a sweet person. The question is how. How do you end violence? It isn't going to happen through technology. Technology means more efficient ways to kill.

Eventually, the people and the market will create enough wealth where the people can live their lives in relative peace. It'd be more economically beneficial to trade with others than to rob from them. Society will punish those that engage in malevalent behavior.

Here's an idea. Have the banks combine the idea of credit and debit cards with someone's past history. Positive actions will be rewarded through cheap loans, certain access to services, and be able to exchange your goods and services easily with others. Those that choose negative actions will be chastised from society and no one would want to conduct business them with. Not the water company, electric company, mortgage companies, apartments, grocery companies, restaurants, etc. With concepts such as electronic credit and debit cards this suddenly isn't as hard to imagine. So anything from theft and murder to simple things like paying your bills on time will either have a positively or negatively affect on your standing in society and how easy society is rewarding you back.

Obviously a higher standard of living is something that is promoted through cooperating non-aggressively with other members of society. Heck, this is happening right now. There are very few economic bastions left for murders and aggressors to hide behind. The major domestic ones that come to my head are the black market created by the declaration of the the illegality of drugs, prostitution rings, the military and State.

We'd, of course, still need a protection agency. Having competing protection agencies is no different than having slightly more advanced forms of ADT.

I'm just setting up the possibility of such a world. Ultimately, I predict this is the way we're headed as a society. Whether we'd see this in our lifetime? Probably not. But just take a look at our history. You can almost make out the path we're heading. As society has gained technological achievements individuals have become progressively more prosperous, wealthy, and free. With the rise in overall wealth, there is less incentive to commit crime and a smaller reliance on government.