Mitt Romney campaign will be based on lies...

HomerJS

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Just listened to a speech by Mittens. While criticizing Obama for spending he said "no president has presided over a trillion dollar deficit"

Took a few minutes to find this...

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/us_deficit

FY 2009 submitted by GW Bush (Oct 2008 - Sept 2009) 1.413T

Obama budgets
FY 2010 1.293T
FY 2011 1.3T
FY 2012 1.327T

So I guess we are going to spend a lot of time deciphering how many times Mitt tells bald face lies.
 
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IGBT

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still awaiting your obama to tell the truth about his own utopian intentions but all we hear are lies about how great everything is.
 

Jaskalas

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Just listened to a speech by Mittens. While criticizing Obama for spending he said "no president has presided over a trillion dollar deficit"

See bolded for carefully chosen words.

He did not say budget, did not say signed or passed. Which case, to the letter, he's telling the truth. It's a very dishonest truth, but it's still accurate.
 

jagec

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As a percentage of GDP we're still well below the WW2 peak, although admittedly the reasons for running a deficit were better back then.

Of course, in the 40s the government asked the public to make sacrifices for the greater good. Today no one dares ask the same. We want to reduce the deficit without actually cutting anything that affects us personally.
 

HomerJS

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See bolded for carefully chosen words.

He did not say budget, did not say signed or passed. Which case, to the letter, he's telling the truth. It's a very dishonest truth, but it's still accurate.

So who was president Oct 1 2008 - Jan 19 2009 and therfore presided over said budget?
 

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http://thehill.com/opinion/columnis...ese-are-the-true-deficits-bush-800b-obama-14t

http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/whos-blame-massive-deficit

I know, bad sources.

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Edit: I still believe Romney was playing semantics with his statement however.
 
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HomerJS

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Here's the one flaw in their argument...
But when the fiscal crisis hit, Bush had to pass the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) in the final months of his presidency, which cost $700 billion. Under the federal budget rules, a loan and a grant are treated the same. So the $700 billion pushed the deficit — officially — up to $1.3 trillion. But not really. The $700 billion was a short-term loan. $500 billion of it has already been repaid.

TARP was not repaid by Jan 20 2009 so Obama did inherit that trillion dollar deficit.

For example the auto bailouts still have to be accounted for in the budget even if they are going to be paid back later.

And one other thing remember Bush running the Iraq war off budget? That trillion was not accounted for under Bush but Obama added it.
 
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sportage

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Mitty lie? Say it isn't so. Guess he learned that trick when telling employees their job was safe. Not to worry. No closings in the mix. You are all valued employees. And I'm your friend Mitt. Mitt, your friend. Your good friend Mitt. Me u friend and my name is Mitt. Mitt Romney, your trusted friend. Just call me friend. Mr Mitt, a friend. A friend you can trust.
 

FoBoT

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they all lie. you can pretend that 'your politicians' don't lie, if they makes you feel better
“Political language. . . is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.”
George Orwell
 

sportage

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Expect the lies as the republican tactic from the Karl Rove game book. An old but timeless tactic. In order to deflect Mitt's own short falls and his record of which there exists much sound and video proof, and the tactic will be to accuse Obama of Mitt's failures, in order to deflect Mitt's own record.
I.e. the Mitt sound bite "Obama wishes to kill off Medicare as we know it". Now every poor fool knows that this is in fact Mitt's own plan backed up by Mitt's support of the Ryan budget plan. Mitt cannot explain that away, so just follow the Rove game plan and accuse Obama of the same. Hopefully poor unexpecting voters won't pay attention to the actual facts.

Or Mitt's plan and 1st day promise to defund planned parenthood. Just accuse Obama of the same, the war on women rights, and hopefully no one will figure out the truth.

Just make it up. All of it. So who pays attention? Who holds Mitt accountable? The news media. HaHaHa Good luck with that...
 

pcgeek11

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Just listened to a speech by Mittens. While criticizing Obama for spending he said "no president has presided over a trillion dollar deficit"

Took a few minutes to find this...

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/us_deficit

FY 2009 submitted by GW Bush (Oct 2008 - Sept 2009) 1.413T

Obama budgets
FY 2010 1.293T
FY 2011 1.3T
FY 2012 1.327T

So I guess we are going to spend a lot of time deciphering how many times Mitt tells bald face lies.

Lets add some Obama lies to the mix shall we?

HEALTH-CARE NEGOTIATIONS ON C-SPAN STATEMENT: “These negotiations will be on C-SPAN, and so the public will be part of the conversation and will see the decisions that are being made.” January 20, 2008, and seven other times. EXPIRATION DATE: Throughout the summer, fall, and winter of 2009 and 2010; when John McCain asked about it during the health-care summit February 26, Obama dismissed the issue by declaring, “the campaign is over, John.”

RECESS APPOINTMENTS STATEMENT: Then-senator Obama declared that a recess appointment is “damaged goods” and has “less credibility” than a normal appointment. August 25, 2005. EXPIRATION DATE: March 27, 2010: “If, in the interest of scoring political points, Republicans in the Senate refuse to exercise that responsibility, I must act in the interest of the American people and exercise my authority to fill these positions on an interim basis.”

RECOVERY.GOV STATEMENT: “We will launch a sweeping effort to root out waste, inefficiency, and unnecessary spending in our government, and every American will be able to see how and where we spend taxpayer dollars by going to a new website called recovery.gov.” – President Obama, January 28, 2009. EXPIRATION DATE: “More than two months after some of the funds were released, [Recovery.gov] offers little detail on where the money is going . . . The government [spent] $84 million on a website that doesn’t have a search function, when its purpose is to ‘root out waste, inefficiency, and unnecessary spending in our government.’” April 2, 2009

Barack Obama in 2003, talking to the AFL/CIO:“I happen to be a proponent of single-payer universal healthcare coverage. That’s what I’d like to see.”In January, 2008, Obama claimed in a nationally televised debate:”I never said that we should try to go ahead and get single-payer.”

In Obama’s famous DNC Convention speech, Obama says, “My father was a foreign student, born and raised in a small village in Kenya. He grew up herding goats, went to school in a tin-roof shack. His father — my grandfather — was a cook, a domestic servant to the British.” Kezia, Obama Sr.’s first wife tells a story that puts Obama’s account to lie.
Kezia said: In 1955 Obama Sr. was 18 and working in an office in Nairobi, when he took Kezia from her family at the age of 16.

On the January 22nd edition of “Meet the Press,” Tim Russert and Obama had the following exchange:Russert: “When we talked back in November of ‘04 after your election, I said, ‘There’s been enormous speculation about your political future. Will you serve your six-year term as United States senator from Illinois?’”Obama: “I will serve out my full six-year term. You know, Tim, if you get asked enough, sooner or later you get weary and you start looking for new ways of saying things. But my thinking has not changed.”Russert: “So you will not run for president or vice president in 2008?”Obama: “I will not.”

As another example, consider Obama’s stirring tale for the Selma audience about how he had been conceived by his parents, Barack Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham, because they had been inspired by the fervor following the “Bloody Sunday” voting rights demonstration that was commemorated March 4. “There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama,” he said, “because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don’t tell me I don’t have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don’t tell me I’m not coming home to Selma, Alabama”Obama was born in 1961, and the Selma march occurred four years later, in 1965. The New York Times reported that when the senator was asked about the discrepancy later that day, he clarified: “I meant the whole civil rights movement.”

February — As Sen. McCain has pointed out, Obama promised to use public funding in the general election if the Republican candidate would do so also. Well, McCain has agreed to it, but now Obama wants to back out of the deal. After all, when he made the promise, he didn’t have a chance of raising more than the public’s $85 million stipend. But now that he can raise $300 million, well, what’s a little untruth between the waited-for one and his people? Yes, he can.

“I am the only candidate who isn’t taking a dime from Washington lobbyist” - LIAR- The record shows quite the opposite. According to USA Today, Obama’s campaign fundraising team includes 38 members of law firms that were paid $138 million last year to lobby the federal government, records show. Those lawyers, including 10 former federal lobbyists, have pledged to raise at least $3.5 million for the Illinois senator’s presidential race. Employees of their firms have given Obama’s campaign $2.26 million, a USA TODAY analysis of campaign finance data shows.

There are many many more...
 

Bowfinger

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Lets add some Obama lies to the mix shall we? ...
Yes, by all means do whatever you can to duhvert attention from Romney's lie. Heaven forbid you should ever honestly address an issue that reflects poorly on the GOP. Buh...buh...but Obama.
 

pcgeek11

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Yes, by all means do whatever you can to duhvert attention from Romney's lie. Heaven forbid you should ever honestly address an issue that reflects poorly on the GOP. Buh...buh...but Obama.

Why can't you accept that ALL of them tell lies and half truths.

Just balancing the beam. The OP was meant to imply that Mitt lied as if Obama didn't... I felt it needed clarification. So quit whining.
 

FerrelGeek

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Yes, by all means do whatever you can to duhvert attention from Romney's lie. Heaven forbid you should ever honestly address an issue that reflects poorly on the GOP. Buh...buh...but Obama.

Obama could drop trou, take a steaming dump in a bowl right in front many of the libs on here, cover it with whipped cream and a cherry, and call it a hot fudge sundae. Many of the libs on here would fight each other to the death to be the first to prove him right by eating it.
 

Bowfinger

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Why can't you accept that ALL of them tell lies and half truths.
I understand that perfectly. This thread is about a specific lie Romney told. It's noteworthy because it is not the typical political half-truth or exaggeration, but rather an outright lie.


Just balancing the beam.
I.e., duhverting. You do that a lot, whenever there's a story that reflects negatively on the GOP.


The OP was meant to imply that Mitt lied as if Obama didn't... I felt it needed clarification. So quit whining.
The OP implied no such thing. That's just your partisanship showing.