mistrial for edwards

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Hayabusa Rider

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Simple revenge attempt by a Bush holdover attorney, that lost his bet.
So now the douche bag is running for office (Bush attorney douche bag, that is).
Republicans and sex.... What's it with them. He knew this was a long shot.
I guess just jealous they all get caught? (in the men's bathrooms stalls at the airport)

I realize that you are a complete hack, however try to get your head out of Obamapokey's butt long enough to understand that if a politician uses the campaign system to get tax free money to cover his douche bag scandals then it isn't sex, it's his abuse of the law for personal gain. How Edwards could not have known it is beyond credible, but because he's a douche bag with a law degree and knows how to outwit the system. Never ever complain about corporatism. This scoundrel knows how to play the system with the best of them.
 

BoomerD

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I realize that you are a complete hack, however try to get your head out of Obamapokey's butt long enough to understand that if a politician uses the campaign system to get tax free money to cover his douche bag scandals then it isn't sex, it's his abuse of the law for personal gain. How Edwards could not have known it is beyond credible, but because he's a douche bag with a law degree and knows how to outwit the system. Never ever complain about corporatism. This scoundrel knows how to play the system with the best of them.

It shows what I've said for years...Anyone with a law degree should be banned from holding public office. They're just not honest enough...
 

LunarRay

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I realize that you are a complete hack, however try to get your head out of Obamapokey's butt long enough to understand that if a politician uses the campaign system to get tax free money to cover his douche bag scandals then it isn't sex, it's his abuse of the law for personal gain. How Edwards could not have known it is beyond credible, but because he's a douche bag with a law degree and knows how to outwit the system. Never ever complain about corporatism. This scoundrel knows how to play the system with the best of them.

There can be no doubt he knew what was going on... but using the Stevens case as an example, proving it is almost impossible.

We oughta have a new standard for conviction... for lawyers.... hehehehehe. IF it happened he must have known, therefore, that element need not be proved.
 

BoomerD

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How guilty could Edwards have been if one of the alternate jurors was flirting with him?

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Hayabusa Rider

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There can be no doubt he knew what was going on... but using the Stevens case as an example, proving it is almost impossible.

We oughta have a new standard for conviction... for lawyers.... hehehehehe. IF it happened he must have known, therefore, that element need not be proved.

One can be guilty in fact and innocent before the law. The better one is at the latter the more likely this outcome. That's a main reason for lawyers, not to prove innocence but to find a reason not to convict. Not a complaint so much as a statement of the facts. That doesn't excuse him from his act, just permits an escape of consequences. That's how the system works and while there are several things I'd change, the high standard for conviction isn't. My response to the poster was regarding yet again the two standards of "My side is good, and if you don't think like me you are evil or stupid or both" attitude. Since it's the Dems at the helm this time around and my natural tendency is to play gadfly they get it like the Reps did before. Edwards pulled off a fast one and it was nicely done. Apologist who divert aren't going to get too far :D
 

LunarRay

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One can be guilty in fact and innocent before the law. The better one is at the latter the more likely this outcome. That's a main reason for lawyers, not to prove innocence but to find a reason not to convict. Not a complaint so much as a statement of the facts. That doesn't excuse him from his act, just permits an escape of consequences. That's how the system works and while there are several things I'd change, the high standard for conviction isn't. My response to the poster was regarding yet again the two standards of "My side is good, and if you don't think like me you are evil or stupid or both" attitude. Since it's the Dems at the helm this time around and my natural tendency is to play gadfly they get it like the Reps did before. Edwards pulled off a fast one and it was nicely done. Apologist who divert aren't going to get too far :D
Since Moonbeam would not have convicted some fellow a few weeks ago for his 'bad' deeds based on the higher principle and the 'right' for jury nullification and Moonbeam is always right, I figure the opposite should be true as well... Conviction without evidence, as it were... :hmm:

I'd not have been able to convict Edwards so, yup, he got away with it if the government drops the five remaining charges... The standard is alive and well... often... ;)

I see the Stevens case as an example of what lengths the prosecutors will go to to obtain a conviction... The conviction was reversed and with prejudice...
 

cybrsage

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Simple revenge attempt by a Bush holdover attorney, that lost his bet.
So now the douche bag is running for office (Bush attorney douche bag, that is).
Republicans and sex.... What's it with them. He knew this was a long shot.
I guess just jealous they all get caught? (in the men's bathrooms stalls at the airport)


Wow, so this is Bush's fault?
 

blankslate

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Wow, so this is Bush's fault?

It's actually President Obama's fault.

http://www.teachablemoment.org/high/execprivilege.html

The US has a total of 93 attorneys, who are in charge of federal prosecutions. Traditionally, an incoming president asks for resignations of all the attorneys and appoints new ones from his political party

Maybe he didn't do so in the interests of being a bipartisan president.

He just didn't realize how idiotic one of them would be....
 

BoomerD

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Following the mistrial, federal prosecutors have dropped the remaining charges:

http://www.kcra.com/news/national/R...+(KCRA.com+-+Local+News)&utm_content=My+Yahoo

(CNN) -

Federal prosecutors dropped the remaining charges against former Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards on Wednesday, less than two weeks after his corruption trial ended in an acquittal and mistrial.

The Justice Department had accused Edwards of using nearly $1 million in illegal campaign contributions to keep his pregnant mistress under wraps as he mounted a second presidential bid in 2008. But after more than 50 hours of deliberation, a North Carolina jury acquitted him on one of the six counts against him and deadlocked on the other five.

Lanny Breuer, the head of the Justice Department's criminal division, said prosecutors respect the judgment of the jury and would not bring the case to trial again.

"We knew that this case -- like all campaign finance cases -- would be challenging," Breuer said in a written statement on the decision. "But it is our duty to bring hard cases when we believe that the facts and the law support charging a candidate for high office with a crime."

Edwards' lawyers said in a statement, "We are confident that the outcome of any new trial would have been the same."

"While John has repeatedly admitted to his sins, he has also consistently asserted, as we demonstrated at the trial, that he did not violate any campaign law nor even imagined that any campaign laws could apply," they said.

Edwards, 61, won a U.S. Senate seat from North Carolina in 1998. He ran for president in 2004, when he ended up as the Democrats' nominee for vice president, and again in 2008, when he dropped out of the reace after a poor showing in the early primaries.

In August 2008, he admitted to an affair with onetime campaign videographer Rielle Hunter, but denied paternity of the daughter she had given birth to six months earlier. He eventually acknowledged paternity, and after the May 31 mistrial, he talked about "my precious Quinn, who I love more than any of you can ever imagine."

Prosecutors argued that Edwards took $925,000 from two high-powered donors to pay for Hunter's living and medical expenses, travel and other costs to keep her out of sight while he sought the presidency -- contributions that amounted to illegal, undisclosed campaign donations. Former Edwards aide Andrew Young testified that he allowed Hunter to move in with him and his wife at Edwards' request after newspapers began looking into a possible affair within the Edwards campaign.

Edwards' lawyers argued he was guilty of being a bad husband to his wife, Elizabeth, who died of cancer in 2010, but had committed no crime. They also told jurors that Young, the government's star witness, used the contributions for his own gain.

I guess the Republicans still got what they wanted...his political career is forever dead.
 

werepossum

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Following the mistrial, federal prosecutors have dropped the remaining charges:

http://www.kcra.com/news/national/R...+(KCRA.com+-+Local+News)&utm_content=My+Yahoo



I guess the Republicans still got what they wanted...his political career is forever dead.
Yeah, his political career was obviously killed by the trial . . .

Republicans would freakin' LOVE to see Mr. Edwards continue as an integral part of the Democrat Party's political machine. Democrats, not so much.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Yeah, his political career was obviously killed by the trial . . .

Republicans would freakin' LOVE to see Mr. Edwards continue as an integral part of the Democrat Party's political machine. Democrats, not so much.

If charlie rangel can survive then anything is possible.
 

woolfe9999

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You may be right of course, but I've seen too many things to never say never.

It's true that many dirt bags have been able to come back. But none were as unpopular at the time of the scandal as is Edwards. I don't think I've ever seen anyone this unpopular in his own party as a result of a scandal. It still puzzles me what makes him that much dirtier than the other dirt bags, but there it is.

Incidentally, since you're in NY, I'm willing to bet that Spitzer gets another shot. We'll see.
 

werepossum

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If charlie rangel can survive then anything is possible.
:D As dirty as Rangel can be, he's sort of a lovable rogue, AND he's an authentic war hero. I can't bring myself to condemn him even though he's done things - hiding money from taxes, doing shady deals, abusing rent-controlled apartments - for which I know I SHOULD condemn him. He stands up for his beliefs (few of which I share), he's genuinely a nice guy, and his success story, a black war hero at a time when blacks were seldom even allowed into combat units (and then only segregated ones), earning his law degree and entering national office at a time when blacks seldom could participate, is one that speaks to me.

Edwards by contrast is in my opinion a slimy ambulance chaser representing the absolute worst behavior among the bandits of the bar, a man willing and eager to stoop to any depths for political and financial gain, a man utterly without any redeeming qualities. It's possible that he can one day redeem himself, but highly doubtful. Once you've seen behind the curtain, it's very, very hard to once again imagine the wizard.

EDIT: Not surprised the charges were dropped, though. They always seemed iffy, and all it takes is one female juror or one diehard Democrat suspicious of Republican political maneuverings to stop any convictions.