Missouri's chief election official ILLEGALY asked for a photo i.d. to vote.

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: jrenz

Currently, voters must show one of several forms of ID, including a driver's license, voter card sent by local election authorities or utility bill.

PS - techs, you should leave the fear-mongering to Dave.

What part of "utility bill" sounds like "photo ID" to you? The requirements are very clear, and they do NOT include requiring a photo ID. A photo ID MAY be used, but it is not REQUIRED provided some other approved ID can be presented. This does not seem like rocket science...

An ID is required, that's my point. From how the article makes it sound, the poll worker either simply didn't understand the current law, or stated it in such a way as to imply that it had to be a photo ID. Or maybe whoever reported the story chose to take it that way, when the poll worker may have simply said "I need to see some ID". Did this woman have a copy of her utility bill on her? Did she have her voter card? None of that is told to us. Why wouldn't she be able to show SOME form of ID as the CURRENT LAW REQUIRES?

Either way, you have techs up here with his ridiculous "The stealing of the 2006 elections has begun." rhetoric. Pretty pathetic if you ask me.

 

[ntdz]

Delete post please...replied twice

 

[FuzzyBee]

I guess peaople are missing this:

If you registered by mail and are voting for the first time by absentee, you must provide a copy of your photo ID. Examples of acceptable photo ID are:


1. Valid Missouri Driver's License;
2. Valid Missouri Non-Driver's License;
3. Valid U.S. Passport; or
4. Valid Military I.D.

I wonder if this is the first time Robin Carnahan has voted by absentee? It sounds to me like either she *knows* the rules, but wants to make a scene, or she *doesn't* know the rules. In either case, can she not make time in her busy day to go to her polling place and vote?

Edit: It appears from the remainder of the section that "voting for the first time by absentee" means the first time you vote at all, not the first time you vote absentee. Either way, it's at least slightly confusing.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: jrenz

Currently, voters must show one of several forms of ID, including a driver's license, voter card sent by local election authorities or utility bill.

PS - techs, you should leave the fear-mongering to Dave.

What part of "utility bill" sounds like "photo ID" to you? The requirements are very clear, and they do NOT include requiring a photo ID. A photo ID MAY be used, but it is not REQUIRED provided some other approved ID can be presented. This does not seem like rocket science...

An ID is required, that's my point. From how the article makes it sound, the poll worker either simply didn't understand the current law, or stated it in such a way as to imply that it had to be a photo ID. Or maybe whoever reported the story chose to take it that way, when the poll worker may have simply said "I need to see some ID". Did this woman have a copy of her utility bill on her? Did she have her voter card? None of that is told to us. Why wouldn't she be able to show SOME form of ID as the CURRENT LAW REQUIRES?

Either way, you have techs up here with his ridiculous "The stealing of the 2006 elections has begun." rhetoric. Pretty pathetic if you ask me.

I agree, this doesn't seem like "stealing the election", but I don't think the article could be more clear. The chief election official in MO said she was asked repeatedly for a photo identification, which is NOT required provided you have some other form of ID. The election employee claims the request was for SOME form of ID, and a photo ID was simply a common form people used. Who's telling the truth? Difficult to tell, but I'd say the whole thing is probably a misunderstanding. And given my experience with poll workers, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some misunderstanding of the law on their part.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
I guess peaople are missing this:

If you registered by mail and are voting for the first time by absentee, you must provide a copy of your photo ID. Examples of acceptable photo ID are:


1. Valid Missouri Driver's License;
2. Valid Missouri Non-Driver's License;
3. Valid U.S. Passport; or
4. Valid Military I.D.

I wonder if this is the first time Robin Carnahan has voted by absentee? It sounds to me like either she *knows* the rules, but wants to make a scene, or she *doesn't* know the rules. In either case, can she not make time in her busy day to go to her polling place and vote?

Where does it say she was voting absentee at all? As far as I'm aware, voting by absentee ballot does not involve going to the voting booth...

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
I guess peaople are missing this:

If you registered by mail and are voting for the first time by absentee, you must provide a copy of your photo ID. Examples of acceptable photo ID are:


1. Valid Missouri Driver's License;
2. Valid Missouri Non-Driver's License;
3. Valid U.S. Passport; or
4. Valid Military I.D.

I wonder if this is the first time Robin Carnahan has voted by absentee? It sounds to me like either she *knows* the rules, but wants to make a scene, or she *doesn't* know the rules. In either case, can she not make time in her busy day to go to her polling place and vote?

Where does it say she was voting absentee at all? As far as I'm aware, voting by absentee ballot does not involve going to the voting booth...

from the OP:

She said that a worker at the St. Louis Election Board asked her three times to show photo ID when she went to cast an absentee ballot Friday.

 

[techs]

I wonder what part of "voters do NOT need to present a photo i.d. to vote" that any poll worker could not understand?

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: techs
I wonder what part of "voters do NOT need to present a photo i.d. to vote" that any poll worker could not understand?

Did you even read the Missouri voting laws linked above? Did you somehow miss the part where there are cases in absentee balloting where a photo ID IS required?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
I guess peaople are missing this:

If you registered by mail and are voting for the first time by absentee, you must provide a copy of your photo ID. Examples of acceptable photo ID are:


1. Valid Missouri Driver's License;
2. Valid Missouri Non-Driver's License;
3. Valid U.S. Passport; or
4. Valid Military I.D.

I wonder if this is the first time Robin Carnahan has voted by absentee? It sounds to me like either she *knows* the rules, but wants to make a scene, or she *doesn't* know the rules. In either case, can she not make time in her busy day to go to her polling place and vote?

Where does it say she was voting absentee at all? As far as I'm aware, voting by absentee ballot does not involve going to the voting booth...

from the OP:

She said that a worker at the St. Louis Election Board asked her three times to show photo ID when she went to cast an absentee ballot Friday.

Hmm, apparently I missed that part. However, the story doesn't say she registered by mail or if it was the first time she went to the voting booths. This is kind of a non-story given the lack of that information. But if we want to infer what happened, I would have imagined the director of the election board would have mentioned that if she had been required to show photo ID because of an absentee requirement. Of course maybe not, like I said, we're missing some crucial information here...

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Hmm, apparently I missed that part. However, the story doesn't say she registered by mail or if it was the first time she went to the voting booths. This is kind of a non-story given the lack of that information. But if we want to infer what happened, I would have imagined the director of the election board would have mentioned that if she had been required to show photo ID because of an absentee requirement. Of course maybe not, like I said, we're missing some crucial information here...

The ironic part is that of all people, the Chief Elections Offical *should* be able to give *all* of the facts.

I wonder if that elections employee still has a job.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Hmm, apparently I missed that part. However, the story doesn't say she registered by mail or if it was the first time she went to the voting booths. This is kind of a non-story given the lack of that information. But if we want to infer what happened, I would have imagined the director of the election board would have mentioned that if she had been required to show photo ID because of an absentee requirement. Of course maybe not, like I said, we're missing some crucial information here...

The ironic part is that of all people, the Chief Elections Offical *should* be able to give *all* of the facts.

I wonder if that elections employee still has a job.

Yeah, I don't know. I originally thought this was a pretty clear cut case of an overzealous poll worker, but now it seems a lot less clear...we're missing some vital facts here. And given the quality of people involved in running elections in general, I'd have no trouble believing any (or all) of them were doing something stupid.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Hmm, apparently I missed that part. However, the story doesn't say she registered by mail or if it was the first time she went to the voting booths. This is kind of a non-story given the lack of that information. But if we want to infer what happened, I would have imagined the director of the election board would have mentioned that if she had been required to show photo ID because of an absentee requirement. Of course maybe not, like I said, we're missing some crucial information here...

The ironic part is that of all people, the Chief Elections Offical *should* be able to give *all* of the facts.

I wonder if that elections employee still has a job.

Yeah, I don't know. I originally thought this was a pretty clear cut case of an overzealous poll worker, but now it seems a lot less clear...we're missing some vital facts here. And given the quality of people involved in running elections in general, I'd have no trouble believing any (or all) of them were doing something stupid.

My vote is for all of them

 

[Jhhnn]

Carnahan obviously fulfilled the legal requirements, jrenz, or she wouldn't have been allowed to vote. The problem is that the election worker had obviously been misinstructed or misunderstood what was required to vote, asking for photo ID three times.

Just because the Secretary of State of Missouri can get around these illegal requirements to actually vote doesn't mean that'll be happening for John Q Public somewhere out in rural Missouri, or that there's sufficient cause to change current legal requirements.

Like I said earlier, something conveniently ignored, this photo ID requirement is a solution in search of a problem. Anybody care to link documentation of fraud, or attempted fraud?

Probably not... which means this whole thing is just another attempt to limit the electorate, prevent citizens from exercising their right to vote... This year, I'll need to show photo ID and bring a form that was mailed to me- maybe next time I'll need a coupla more forms, two photo ID's... after that, maybe more forms, a retinal scan, fingerprints, DNA sample... Where does it end? Anal probe? Literacy test? Poll tax?

The best way to protect the right to vote is to vote for people who actually want eligible citizens to vote, rather than to vote for anybody who seeks to limit participation on the basis of mere innuendo... Voter fraud? Just another rightwing boogeyman...

 

[palehorse]

I find it somewhat disturbing that a State could authorize voting in a Federal election without a photo ID.

Besides, what the heck is wrong with requiring an ID?!

finally, what the heck does this have to do with "stealing an election"?! The worker asking for the ID was misinformed, big deal! But, other than that, I don't see how this would benefit one side or another (that is, IF both parties are interested in limiting the voting to US citizens.. ahem). I also do not see ANY proof that this incident was linked to either party!

nice try... but 100% BS nonetheless.

 

[Moonbeam]

It's really really sad that the dead and illegals have so much more sense than legal voters. How do people get more brain-dead than the dead?

 

[GuitarDaddy]

IMO the photo ID requirement is one of the lessor issues in this election.

One of the bigger issues coming to light is the inconsistent handling of provisional ballots.
In many states and districts provisional ballots are simpely ignored In these districts if you show up to the wrong voting location or for what ever reason your name doesn't appear on the rolls they give you a provisional ballot but don't inform you that they have no intention of ever counting your vote:| These ballots are also being refered to as placebo ballots. This is a disguting practice that needs to be stopped

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: ntdz
What's wrong with requiring a photo ID to vote? It doesn't allow dead people to vote for Democrats?

Or Illegals.

Hence the reasons the Democrats always fight this issue. Even if the state would provide free picture IDs the Democrats won't buy it because poor people aren't even motivated enough to get a free one. They also want the illegals to vote.

I had to show my Driver's License to vote last week. What is the big deal?

This is EXACTLY what is happening in Georgia. The first picture id measure was tossed by the courts so a new one was crafted to meet the complaints brought forward. Well now they went after the new one too.

The basic argument is that its burdensome for people to get IDs who don't have them and some people may "Fear" the government to get one.

If your too bothererd to get a free ID or in too much fear your the last type of person we need voting.

Democrats in my state pushed for electronic voting and then rebelled when they lost. Go figure, the state went Republican and all hell hasn't broken out yet. Our current govenor in my book is mostly harmless... iow - he didn't annoy me enough to vote against him

Now as for some of the other loonies... or were not loonies till they took office - your outta there!

 

[krcat1]

The problem in MO is that people were coming over from East St. Louis and voting in Missouri.
I have been asked for my ID to vote (in MO) for the past few election.

They also had a problem with people buying votes by handing out coupons for free beer several years back.

 

[dahunan]

If any of the Republicans are worried about Illegals voting .. they should have done something about Padre Bush