Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

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HomerJS

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No way. Was Wilson in the group that beat the other guy? Just because he was part of the same force does not make him guilty by association.

Not necessarily Wilson but the PD as a whole. Its the same leadership that is allowing selective leaking of false information in this case. Its the same that left Browns body in the street for hours without allowing or getting EMT help. Animals get better treatment.
 

Vapid Cabal

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The point is, just because the Police do something doesn't make it legal, morally right, or ethical. And they are NOT to be trusted to protect and serve. Some departments will be worse than others. My small town, cops are generally ok, but they've harassed me before for no reason.

My point is that is shows the mindset of LEO's, and where there's 1, or 4, there's more. Or does that logic only apply to citizens when it's convenient.


Oh, I definitely understand that, I just don't like to judge someone by what their "associates" do.
 

Vapid Cabal

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Not necessarily Wilson but the PD as a whole. Its the same leadership that is allowing selective leaking of false information in this case. Its the same that left Browns body in the street for hours without allowing or getting EMT help. Animals get better treatment.


Ah, the leadership. That hasn't been discussed at length ( or maybe I missed it).
On that I agree 100%; it is very obvious to me that the leaders in this situation mishandled things.
 
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HomerJS

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Oh, I definitely understand that, I just don't like to judge someone by what their "associates" do.

Remember the Jordon Davis is a thug because 1 of the 4 in the car had a record? Usual cast of characters here do it all the time.

Police department leadership most likely fostered an attitude where the cops thought "I can wup this guys ass"
 

boomerang

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I was with him until he turned it into a partisan issue. I'm not even debating what he said, because I agree. But I'm also not keen on believing an R administration would give anyone a fair shake either.

R or D doesn't matter, they're both gonna bury us.

edit: first time I've heard of Whittle.
Mr. Whittle referred to Progressives not Democrats. I don't think it's even remotely fair to label all Democrats as Progressives. I have always considered Democrats to be reasonable people with different views. Progressives are the faction within the party that is extreme left. The faction that is not just willing but compelled to usurp the rights of the people in their jackbooted march towards utopia. I also think that it is entirely reasonable to place blame at the feet of whatever party is in power because that is the party currently calling the shots. The placing of blame must not be underrated.

As to your last sentence, I couldn't agree more. It is not a question of if, it's a question of when. This house of cards we call the United States of America is historically overdue for a fall.
 

Druidx

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Support page for Darren Wilson. Up to almost $250k in 4 days.
http://www.gofundme.com/SupportOfficerWilson

Memorial Fund for Micheal Brown
http://www.gofundme.com/justiceformikebrown
-donations will not be used for legal fees

Gofundme.com may collect up to 10% of money donated through their website.
Personally I don’t understand the need for either one. I would be surprised if the local community hadn’t already set something up to cover the funeral cost of Brown. They just lost a family member, it shouldn’t be seen as winning the lottery. Collecting money for Wilson at this point seems premature. After all he’s on paid leave at the moment, what’s the money for, a reward for shooting someone? Later, if he ends up being unfairly prosecuted, I could understand collecting money to pay legal fees but right now it just seems sick.
 

xBiffx

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Personally I don’t understand the need for either one. I would be surprised if the local community hadn’t already set something up to cover the funeral cost of Brown. They just lost a family member, it shouldn’t be seen as winning the lottery. Collecting money for Wilson at this point seems premature. After all he’s on paid leave at the moment, what’s the money for, a reward for shooting someone? Later, if he ends up being unfairly prosecuted, I could understand collecting money to pay legal fees but right now it just seems sick.

Wilson is never going to be able to work again (at least outside of burger flipping), no matter how this ends up. The fund is to help for that.
 

Attic

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The State is coming down hard on the incident here. Media attention and current narratives have put a bullseye on Wilson and his family for the more unhinged amongst us. Wilson will have to take some steps to assert rights and protect himself if he hasn't already.

I can't imagine their won't also be legal fees in one form or another to cover. A fund leaves him less vulnerable to unchecked abuse.

For Brown, a way to show support to family and alleviate some of the pain they've gone through. Definately not a winning the lottery situation here given their loss, this comes across as crass.
 

Druidx

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Wilson is never going to be able to work again (at least outside of burger flipping), no matter how this ends up. The fund is to help for that.

Why would you think that? You think he's the only policeman to kill and unarmed person. If he was in the right, he'll be fine. On the other hand, if it turns out he was in the wrong, he doesn't deserve those donations.
People should wait until more facts come out.
 

WackyDan

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Remember the Jordon Davis is a thug because 1 of the 4 in the car had a record? Usual cast of characters here do it all the time.

Police department leadership most likely fostered an attitude where the cops thought "I can wup this guys ass"

There is a distinct difference between "guilt by association" among a group of friends versus a group of colleagues.

I work with a lot of assholes at my job. I work with some that aren't very ethical. At the end of the day, I'm there to get paid every two weeks and go home everyday to my family and live that part of my life.

You can be a bad police officer or a good one. You could be an average one. There could indeed be a pervasive issue with a police department where you have a higher percentage of officers that break protocol, but that doesn't mean that every officer is bad.

Conversely, I think that group of "friends" is a bit different. You certainly can have an angel among them, but friends and neighbors tend to not have the same protocols in life that a work environment places on them. At work, I HAVE to associate with my peers in order to do my job. In my personal life, I'm free to choose whether I hang out with the known violent felon, drug addict, asshole, whatever. - And that is the difference I think is important.
 

WackyDan

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Personally I don’t understand the need for either one. I would be surprised if the local community hadn’t already set something up to cover the funeral cost of Brown. They just lost a family member, it shouldn’t be seen as winning the lottery. Collecting money for Wilson at this point seems premature. After all he’s on paid leave at the moment, what’s the money for, a reward for shooting someone? Later, if he ends up being unfairly prosecuted, I could understand collecting money to pay legal fees but right now it just seems sick.

It is a feel good thing for people to make donations. For the officer, if he not charged or prosecuted and found innocent, then he can use that money to relocate to a different community and continue his career - or change it.

For the Brown family, they get a windfall. They have the expense of burying their son, and paying for the independent autopsy.

I don't find a problem with either donation scheme, but the officer probably is going to need it more.
 

spidey07

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Personally I don’t understand the need for either one. I would be surprised if the local community hadn’t already set something up to cover the funeral cost of Brown. They just lost a family member, it shouldn’t be seen as winning the lottery. Collecting money for Wilson at this point seems premature. After all he’s on paid leave at the moment, what’s the money for, a reward for shooting someone? Later, if he ends up being unfairly prosecuted, I could understand collecting money to pay legal fees but right now it just seems sick.

That money will be used to make sure there is JUSTICE for Officer Wilson.
 

Druidx

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That money will be used to make sure there is JUSTICE for Officer Wilson.

Since it's to early to know that for certain, I'm sure you'll also agree the opposite is true. That the donations to Brown is to ensure there is justice.

Nah.. Didn't think so.
 

spidey07

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Since it's to early to know that for certain, I'm sure you'll also agree the opposite is true. That the donations to Brown is to ensure there is justice.

Nah.. Didn't think so.

He already received his justice when he was shot. It's really that simple.

Don't attack a police officer, if you do you are likely to end up dead.
 

PokerGuy

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The story of Henry Davis should carry equal weight as to capability of police abusing citizens.

BS. Unless Wilson was one of those cops, showing something bad done by other caps has absolutely no bearing on what happened between Wilson and Brown. The video of Brown robbing the store on the other hand clearly showed him to be a violent criminal (as does his prior rapsheet), which IS relevant when you're trying to determine if someone would attack an officer or not.
 

LTC8K6

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Well not sure if anyone else put this here, but this new report came out saying that there was now orbital blowout or any other serious injury to Officer Wilson.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hospital-swollen-face-deadly-altercation.html

This is going back and forth, it seems.

Here's what happened, in my official capacity as bullshitter, I'm going to explain it.

Wilson went to the hospital, and they took xray pics of his face, since it was swollen.

They didn't see anything, so they sent him home.

The swelling didn't go down, and the pain didn't subside, and it became clear that there was a problem, so he went to another doctor.

Cat scans were done, and these revealed the orbital floor fracture.
Xray pics are not the best for seeing a floor fracture, apparently.

There, that is my best bullshit explanation for the eye injury ping pong stories.
 

TerryMathews

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This is going back and forth, it seems.

Here's what happened, in my official capacity as bullshitter, I'm going to explain it.

Wilson went to the hospital, and they took xray pics of his face, since it was swollen.

They didn't see anything, so they sent him home.

The swelling didn't go down, and the pain didn't subside, and it became clear that there was a problem, so he went to another doctor.

Cat scans were done, and these revealed the orbital floor fracture.
Xray pics are not the best for seeing a floor fracture, apparently.

There, that is my best bullshit explanation for the eye injury ping pong stories.
You reckon this is the sort of thing we'll have a better handle on once the records are released?

As an aside, Homer cracks me up. If he doesn't have the info he demands Right Now!!! then they're all a bunch a racist liar pants.

Rage on, brother.
 

Svnla

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They are going to put a bullet in his skull? That is what you seem to believe justice is.


OTOH, for other side, justice = Wilson is charged with murder and be in jail, regardless of facts and evidences. Brown's mother said so on TV a few days ago.