Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

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Attic

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Anyway, what are we going to argue about for a month and a half until the GJ decides? :D


Stuff.

Which station will hustle the story the hardest?
-HLN

Trial or not?
-Yes

Charges brought up?
-Manslaughter

Verdict?
-Not guilty

Date of verdict?
-July 2015

Which station will be the first to recreate a digital or reenacted play by play of events?
-HLN

Which station will bring in the most idiotic commentators?
-MSNBC

Size of settlement won by Crump and Co as attorney for Brown family in the civil suit against the PD?
-12 million
 

TerryMathews

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sorry i don't know who dvc is.

lmgtfy

of course it was. These are poor black people living in subsidized housing (the shooting happened in a section 8 housing area). They are under great societal pressure not to cooperate with the police at all, and particularly not when it comes to clearing the name of a white police officer who killed a black guy. The "snitches get stitches" phenomenon is very real. If you want to get completely pissed off, watch this 60 minute segment - http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ss1u_60-minutes-stop-snitching-04-22-200_shortfilms
 

ivwshane

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Did she give immediate account to police or media first? Dorian's account version was given on scene to media camera AFAIK. Possible that narrative was picked up on by others.

Someone brought up a good point about this earlier based on location of gunshot wounds which were all on same side of Brown's body. An indication that the shots that hit Brown would have done so when he was facing the same way (towards the officer).

At this point it looks like it will go to trial and we'll get the same back and forth from media presentation that we saw in GZ.


The danger we all face is that justice is warped to fit agendas, seems that no matter which version of events one finds more likely, it's generally so that Justice is not served in a perverse way here.

This was taken on the 14th.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/st-louis-official-reporters-arrested-ferguson-michael-brown

I believe that in the whole interview Lawrence does ask her about talking to the police but I don't remember exactly what she said, unfortunately the video doesn't show the whole interview.
 

TerryMathews

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I mean from discussion here.

I don't have any legal powers in Missouri. :)
You've got to be kidding. We'll be debating what happened and if the officer was injured enough for months after the case (if there is one) is settled.

Hell, we're still debating Zimmerman on occasion.
 

Catriona

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The autopsy diagram is labeled "entry, re-entry and exit perforations".

The entry wounds seem to be indicated by round marks. The mark by the collarbone, where one of the bullets lodged, has an "x" through it, as does the mark in the upper right chest. Is that where the bullet through the upper arm lodged?

And only 3 bullets were recovered from the body, so how has it been determined how many shots were fired?

I'd appreciate it if someone could explain all of this.
 

LTC8K6

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You've got to be kidding. We'll be debating what happened and if the officer was injured enough for months after the case (if there is one) is settled.

Hell, we're still debating Zimmerman on occasion.

You're right. I don't have any powers here, either. :)
 

ivwshane

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Ah, my mistake then. When you quoted me I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed you were addressing me. In the future, I'll know that your raving is directed at no one in particular IE moonie..

I was addressing you, since you quoted me. Did I say you took a side? No? Then fuck off old man, your senile posting aren't welcome here.


I guess you didn't take my advice about not embarrassing yourself. Oh well, you can lead a horse to water...
 

LTC8K6

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The autopsy diagram is labeled "entry, re-entry and exit perforations".

The entry wounds seem to be indicated by round marks. The mark by the collarbone, where one of the bullets lodged, has an "x" through it, as does the mark in the upper right chest. Is that where the bullet through the upper arm lodged?

And only 3 bullets were recovered from the body, so how has it been determined how many shots were fired?

I'd appreciate it if someone could explain all of this.

Baden said 6 shots entered Brown's body when discussing the results.

IIRC, the County ME said 6 or 8 shots.

Both said all were from front, though Baden said one could have been traveling either direction.

It is generally accepted that a shot was fired near the car window during a struggle.

So there you have a rough shot count.

But overall, you have a point. Shots could have been fired that didn't hit Brown.
 

ivwshane

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Baden said 6 shots entered Brown's body when discussing the results.

IIRC, the County ME said 6 or 8 shots.

Both said all were from front, though Baden said one could have been traveling either direction.

It is generally accepted that a shot was fired near the car window during a struggle.

So there you have a rough shot count.

But overall, you have a point. Shots could have been fired that didn't hit Brown.

In fact we know of at least one other shot that missed and landed in a house.
 

ivwshane

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Gotta love watching anger filled liberals making fools of themselves.

Yep, it doesn't take much for the righty retards like yourself to be amused.


How about telling us one of your personal anecdotes about how superior you are to everyone, I'm sure we all miss hearing about your large e-penis.
 

Catriona

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Baden said 6 shots entered Brown's body when discussing the results.

IIRC, the County ME said 6 or 8 shots.

Both said all were from front, though Baden said one could have been traveling either direction.

It is generally accepted that a shot was fired near the car window during a struggle.

So there you have a rough shot count.

But overall, you have a point. Shots could have been fired that didn't hit Brown.

Baden says that 2 of the shots may have left and re-entered the body. And the ME, Case, is the one who only recovered 3 bullets.

And no offense, but at this point, I'm not generally accepting anything. :)
 

LTC8K6

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In fact we know of at least one other shot that missed and landed in a house.

Well, there were only three bullets in Brown's body, I think.
I believe that is what Baden said.

So that would leave 4 bullets unaccounted for that we know Wilson fired.
 

Attic

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This was taken on the 14th.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/st-louis-official-reporters-arrested-ferguson-michael-brown

I believe that in the whole interview Lawrence does ask her about talking to the police but I don't remember exactly what she said, unfortunately the video doesn't show the whole interview.


Thanks for linkage. Good interview for those who haven't seen it.

She comes across as very believable, though I find it hard to believe that the officer would have been pulling Brown into the car, or that the officer would have been charging Brown while firing rather than standing still. If Wilson was enraged I could see that occurring. Much of her description of Wilson's action appear to run counter to what training or typical procedure would be.

Edit: Timing of first recount of what she saw also essential.
 
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LTC8K6

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Baden says that 2 of the shots may have left and re-entered the body. And the ME, Case, is the one who only recovered 3 bullets.

And no offense, but at this point, I'm not generally accepting anything. :)

Case is the only one who could have recovered any bullets. :biggrin:

Baden was specific about Brown being shot 6 times, which means 6 bullets.

Case was less specific, giving the 6 or 8 figure.
 

ivwshane

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Thanks for linkage. Good interview for those who haven't seen it.

She comes across as very believable, though I find it hard to believe that the officer would have been pulling Brown into the car, or that the officer would have been charging Brown while firing rather than standing still. If Wilson was enraged I could see that occurring. Much of her description of Wilson's action appear to run counter to what training or typical procedure would be.

Well she didn't see what happened prior to that so any guess would be pure speculation.
 

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Well, there were only three bullets in Brown's body, I think.
I believe that is what Baden said.

So that would leave 4 bullets unaccounted for that we know Wilson fired.

If there are 4 bullets unaccounted for, I'm glad no one else was killed.
 

TerryMathews

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I was addressing you, since you quoted me. Did I say you took a side? No? Then fuck off old man, your senile posting aren't welcome here.


I guess you didn't take my advice about not embarrassing yourself. Oh well, you can lead a horse to water...
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Except the witness I brought forward to spidey doesn't live there so...
So your claim of racism was based on geography, not "snitches get stitches"?
 

ivwshane

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So your claim of racism was based on geography, not "snitches get stitches"?

Why do you insist on being so fucking stupid all the time? Seriously!

Spidey made the claim that all the witnesses that have come forward have an agenda because they know brown and are essentially lying. I provided him with a witness that has no motive and who doesn't know brown and they don't live there. He then went off on a rant describing the reasons why she is a bad witness and is lying, despite the fact he had no such evidence. The discrediting of another human being for perceived stereotypical reasons when the facts don't support the claim is what makes his rant racist.

Do you fucking get it now or would you like to continue being obtuse?
 
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I'm amazed at how many people didn't learn a lesson from the TM debacle. Don't get so entrenched on your unsupported opinions until more facts come out. I think this case will be fairly clear once details come out. Just like in the TM case the initial story that started the uproar ends up being false. The initial eyewitness report from Dorian Johnson claimed Brown was shot in the back as he was trying to run away, which we now know is false based on actual evidence.