Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

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Jaskalas

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What does matter is the claim of witnesses supporting the officer. That Brown turned around and charged. Stopping only 2-3 feet short. A perfectly legitimate reason to kill a person who just seriously injured you.

We need the authorities to answer as to the validity of Christine Byers's report.
 

z1ggy

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spoil them? in the video another cop comes over and drags him off. then even before it hit the news the guy in charge said he wouldn't be put back on duty in furgerson. Though he ended up getting suspended indemnity and i HOPE fired and charged.

seems they weren't spoiled and did what they should have.

It's the perception of the police force's actions at Furgerson...That is the whole point of the saying. The other apples aren't actually physically spoiled, but once you eat a shitty one, do you really want to try any of the others?

Plus, that cop was not a FPD officer, he was from another town in St. Louis.
 

Knowing

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I'll make it simple. Accepting the money would in some people minds signify that Officer Wilson might share the KKK's views or doesn't really object all that much to them.

Some people are morans, I still hold out hope that eventually they'll stop being morans.

Apparently you need someone to donate money to you so you can buy a clue.

I'll happily spend your money.

In totally related news, Officer Wilson's gofundme is running like gangbusters. Word is out that $5 buys you a platform and the media is watching.

The Michael Brown Memorial Fund can be found here.
 

HomerJS

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What does matter is the claim of witnesses supporting the officer. That Brown turned around and charged. Stopping only 2-3 feet short. A perfectly legitimate reason to kill a person who just seriously injured you.

We need the authorities to answer as to the validity of Christine Byers's report.

Can you name any eye witness that backs up the cops story? The only thing I've seen is unnamed sources say these people exist or a 3rd hand story.

Also I've wondered at the logic of running away from someone who shot you and is still shooting. What are the odds of someone making the decision, "I'm going to turnaround while this guy is shooting me and charge him. I can't recall that ever happening unless person was on drugs.

No eye witness had said Brown "charged" the cop. Some have said he "turned towards" the cop which is not charging.
 

Vapid Cabal

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It's the perception of the police force's actions at Furgerson...That is the whole point of the saying. The other apples aren't actually physically spoiled, but once you eat a shitty one, do you really want to try any of the others?



Plus, that cop was not a FPD officer, he was from another town in St. Louis.


So it is okay to make a hasty generalization about a group of people based on the actions of one or a few people? Amazing.
 

xBiffx

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Can you name any eye witness that backs up the cops story? The only thing I've seen is unnamed sources say these people exist or a 3rd hand story.

Can you name any eyewitness other than the criminal friend of Brown to back up Brown's side?

Here's a hint though, even if you can, does them having a name make them any more credible to anyone here?
 

Svnla

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I didn't see robbing a store in you own quote.

You are so adept at foaming at the mount non-sequiturs you can't answer your own questions.

I said "targeted non black businesses"....How about these links:


The Ferguson Market, where the teenage Brown allegedly grabbed a handful of cigars before his deadly encounter with police, is owned by the Patels, an Asian-American family. Looters have targeted the store twice. On the same block, Northland Chop Suey, a Chinese restaurant, has been looted at least two times. A second market, a beauty shop, and a cellphone store within walking distance also have been damaged; all are owned by Asian-Americans.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...problem-riots-damaged-asian-owned-stores.html#

http://abcnewsradioonline.com/national-news/businesses-targeted-by-looters-in-ferguson-missouri.html


Still nothing about Civil Rights violation and whether those looters and rioters have jobs? You were saying something about foaming at the mouth and unable to answer questions? Also, any of these Chinese American folks have anything to do with MB death? Yes or No?

Oh, nevermind, speaking of having jobs? look at this:


“We are jobless men, and this is our job now — getting justice,” he said. “If that means violence, that’s okay by me. They’ve been doing this to us for years.”


http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...be1262-26f3-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html

Darn racist Washington Post. Holder will start a investigation about the targeted looting/rioting/destroying small minority (non black) businesses anytime now...any minute now...... :D

I was simply conveying a point that the media singles out the black people looting in situations like this. It would be nice if they were fair and showed everyone involved, but we all know that will never happen.



looting.jpg



This is from the aftermath of hurricane Katrina, it's how the media works 99/100 times.

I cited my sources from well know liberal sources such as CNN. If you have a problem with them, take it to them. Feel free to post a few pictures or video of any looting and rioting in Ferguson in which the particpants were overwhelmingly white.
 
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Sinsear

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So it is okay to make a hasty generalization about a group of people based on the actions of one or a few people? Amazing.

Only when it's the police.

When it's rioters, remember it's peaceful protesters with a few "out of towners" doing the looting
 

Vapid Cabal

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I said "targeted non black businesses"....How about these links:




http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...problem-riots-damaged-asian-owned-stores.html#

http://abcnewsradioonline.com/national-news/businesses-targeted-by-looters-in-ferguson-missouri.html


Still nothing about Civil Rights violation and whether those looters and rioters have jobs? You were saying something about foaming at the mouth and unable to answer questions? Also, any of these Chinese folks have anything to do with MB death? Yes or No?

Oh, nevermind, speaking of having jobs? look at this:





http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...be1262-26f3-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html

Darn racist Washington Post... :D


Wow, some dipwad quoting Malcom X?
He would roll over in his grave at this nonsense.
 
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z1ggy

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So it is okay to make a hasty generalization about a group of people based on the actions of one or a few people? Amazing.

All I did was post a link with a new story. But in typical P&N fashion, you get your panties twisted up in a bunch... Geesh.
 

bshole

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Can you name any eye witness that backs up the cops story? The only thing I've seen is unnamed sources say these people exist or a 3rd hand story.

Also I've wondered at the logic of running away from someone who shot you and is still shooting. What are the odds of someone making the decision, "I'm going to turnaround while this guy is shooting me and charge him. I can't recall that ever happening unless person was on drugs.

No eye witness had said Brown "charged" the cop. Some have said he "turned towards" the cop which is not charging.

Well that may be true but the cop said Brown charged him and:

St. Louis Post-Dispatch reporter Christine Byers is reporting that the Ferguson Police Department has over 12 witnesses whose account of the Michael Brown shooting matches the description the officer allegedly gave.

Probably not worth much but it is something.

We will have to wait for the grand jury to know anything for sure. Currently I am leaning towards the cops story be closer to the truth. My opinion of Brown changed drastically after seeing him on video bullying a man less than half his size..... that struck a nerve with me.
 

Attic

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Well that may be true but the cop said Brown charged him and:



Probably not worth much but it is something.

We will have to wait for the grand jury to know anything for sure. Currently I am leaning towards the cops story be closer to the truth. My opinion of Brown changed drastically after seeing him on video bullying a man less than half his size..... that struck a nerve with me.


There's also an eyewitness caught inadvertently from another person's recording at the scene moments after the shooting who described pretty much exactly the officer's account. This particular eyewitness isn't in front of TV cameras, has not been contaminated by lawyers, did not just commit a burglary with the deceased, (ie: less/no reason to lie or embellish). It appears he has the most legitimate grounds for telling it like it is of what we've heard about what happened, and he told it like officer Wilson's account.

Namely, that Brown charged Wilson and kept charging while shots were fired.

How is this eyewitness account being explained away by those who insist on claiming there's legitimate reason to assert that Brown surrounded with hands up 35ft away from Wilson when Brown was fatally shot?

Beyond that, we've got some word that other eyewitness account match this individuals account as well as Wilson's.

I can see waiting for more info, but I can't see those insisting that Brown was shot while surrendering. Dorian Johnson's account is arguably the least trustworthy of what we've heard about the incident.
 

HomerJS

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Can you name any eyewitness other than the criminal friend of Brown to back up Brown's side?

Here's a hint though, even if you can, does them having a name make them any more credible to anyone here?

Actually Brown didn't have a side since he died before telling it. You could say the friend made it up since he is a criminal (not necessarily relevant) but there were multiple eye witnesses who did not know Brown who mainly concurred with his friend story.

Tiffany Mitchel
Piaget Crenshaw (she was on balcony and told story within 24 hours)

As for a name of cops version of eye witnesses we still don't have any confirmation these people exist. How do we know cops aren't just "inventing" alleged witnesses. They haven't exactly done things above board to date.

Absent real people who can back up the cop we only have the Brown's version. Yes there are issues if he was shot in the back but they have all stated Brown's hands were up in surrender position and was killed.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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Can you name any eye witness that backs up the cops story? The only thing I've seen is unnamed sources say these people exist or a 3rd hand story.

That's exactly my point. I'd convict the officer if those witnesses aren't real. If Brown was shot at a distance of 35 feet, while running away or with his arms up. To change my mind there must be evidence to cast doubt on that.
 

xBiffx

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Actually Brown didn't have a side since he died before telling it. You could say the friend made it up since he is a criminal (not necessarily relevant) but there were multiple eye witnesses who did not know Brown who mainly concurred with his friend story.

Tiffany Mitchel
Piaget Crenshaw (she was on balcony and told story within 24 hours)

As for a name of cops version of eye witnesses we still don't have any confirmation these people exist. How do we know cops aren't just "inventing" alleged witnesses. They haven't exactly done things above board to date.

Absent real people who can back up the cop we only have the Brown's version. Yes there are issues if he was shot in the back but they have all stated Brown's hands were up in surrender position and was killed.

So does giving a witness's story a name make them exist? Another way to look at it is just because Mitchel or Crenshaw are named and apparently exist, does that immediately make them more credible? I don't know them, so why should I believe what they are saying?

And the fact that Brown's friend is a criminal is absolutely relevant. Claiming otherwise calls into question any objectivity you may have had.
 

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What gets me about stories like this, is why was there no equal outrage about the story in Texas back in 2012 when a young woman was slaughtered and her baby was abducted http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2012/04/verna_deann_mcclain_murder_bab.php
I wonder how this case unfolded ??

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/19/verna-mcclain-guilty_n_4304763.html

Pleaded guilty, received life without parole last year

CONROE, Texas (AP) -- A Houston woman charged with killing a mother and abducting her newborn son last year avoided a possible death sentence by pleading guilty Tuesday and accepting a sentence of life without parole.
 

HomerJS

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So does giving a witness's story a name make them exist? Another way to look at it is just because Mitchel or Crenshaw are named and apparently exist, does that immediately make them more credible? I don't know them, so why should I believe what they are saying?

And the fact that Brown's friend is a criminal is absolutely relevant. Claiming otherwise calls into question any objectivity you may have had.

What it makes them is the only witnesses who back up most of Brown version. I'm giving Paiget credibility because she told her story early when there were no sides to take. Now could she have made mistakes, yes but the shooting while surrendering so far holds up.

Are you willing to discredit these witnesses vs having no witnesses that side with cops story?

As for Brown being a criminal that doesn't mean he is necessary lying. Just like police department doesn't always tell the truth, which has happened in this case.
 

bshole

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And the fact that Brown's friend is a criminal is absolutely relevant.

I don't know about that. What is relevant is that the friend had just aided and abetted Mr Brown in a strong arm robbery on camera not 15 minutes before the shooting. Given that, if he and Mr Brown assaulted the cop and tried to take his gun, I would not expect the friend to be honest and say as much to the media. The friend was hardly a disinterested third party witnessing the event, he was an active participant in the event. The friend's testimony should at most carry as much weight as the cops which in turn would be far less than disinterested third party witnesses.
 
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Linux23

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I would add police officer training and professionalism to the list. My biggest issue with anything that's happened is that several officers have appeared on film telling protesters they will shoot them and to "fuck off" (or variations). If you work for a telemarketing company and you tell a particularly awful customer to "fuck off," you're getting fired on the spot. I'm of the frame of mind that we should hold police to a slightly higher standard than a minimum wage telemarketer. So, hey, is that protester really annoying you to the point where you need to scream "I will fucking kill you"? That lack of professionalism means you aren't fit to be a police officer. Maybe you should go into telemarketing.

this is what is causing a community to not give a fuck because the police don't give a fuck how they treat the community they are supposed to serve. after awhile it just all builds up and explodes.
 
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What gets me about stories like this, is why was there no equal outrage about the story in Texas back in 2012 when a young woman was slaughtered and her baby was abducted http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2012/04/verna_deann_mcclain_murder_bab.php
I wonder how this case unfolded ??

Because the shooter wasn't a police officer. An authority figure charged with defending the public safety potentially violating that trust by shooting a civilian carries more weight than a civilian shooting another civilian. You can't completely eliminate crazy, but you don't have to give it a badge and a gun. Not to say that's what happened in Michael Brown's case, but it's why police shootings, especially interracial police shootings, are scrutinized more heavily than random murders.
 

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Because the shooter wasn't a police officer. An authority figure charged with defending the public safety potentially violating that trust by shooting a civilian carries more weight than a civilian shooting another civilian. You can't completely eliminate crazy, but you don't have to give it a badge and a gun. Not to say that's what happened in Michael Brown's case, but it's why police shootings, especially interracial police shootings, are scrutinized more heavily than random murders.
The shooting was either appropriate or it wasn't. Race should have no bearing.
 

BeeBoop

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Here's a case very similar to Mike Brown. This case has an actual video footage of what happened. The officer got fired from the force and I believe the guy who got shot received a settlement. What I'd like to see change is a requirement for all law enforcement officers to wear a body camera.

Edit.
Looks like the officer in this case above was indicted in April of this year.
 
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