Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

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compuwiz1

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I reported the fb page as a hate site.

You really are some kind of dumb ass aren't you? I support officer Wilson and the decision of this GJ. Brown was a damned thug and a bully, who tried to attack an officer who had to defend himself. Put down your crack pipe now! Better yet, fuck off troll.
 

Oceanas

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They need to get a mirror of this up fast, CoralCDN isn't working for this url.

I've downloaded everything as PDFs and uploaded them to a sharing site. Much smaller compressed than the 1 gig of files currently posted. Anyone can PM me for link.
 

werepossum

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And purchased and embraced by a huge numbers of young white kids. ;)
Yep. The kids driving through my neighborhood blasting gangsta rap so loud my windows rattle (making me wish for my own Officer Wilson) are uniformly white, even though my neighborhood is 1/3 to 1/4 black.

70 feet, not 70 yards.
70 feet is 23 yards. How long does it take a football player to cover 23 yards? Hint: not very long.
Had Wilson been attacked by a football player that might well be relevant, but Brown doesn't strike me as someone capable of covering 23 yards very quickly. Also, a typical office in a stressful situation firing a service pistol with a 3" sight window is probably more of a danger to passers-by than to his target.

Wouldn't it have been wise to release the grand jury decision earlier in the day, so the initial blowback happened during daylight hours? I don't envy the police in the STL area tonight, assuming they release the decision yet this evening.
I initially thought that as well, but an early delivery allows time for all the out-of-towners to converge by nightfall. Might be smarter to pass the first night without much warning.

One of my cow-orkers said he was watching the news and store owners had already boarded up their stores just like a hurricane was heading in.
 

Zorkorist

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I've been attempting to call the Taco Bell in Ferguson for half an hour, getting only a busy signal or no connection at all. Fortunately I just saw someone pull into the drive thru, order food and receive it on CNN.

For that man so loved his fourth meal that he himself was watching the Autozone next door burn down on CNN but said to himself, "Ya know, I really want that chalupa."
Now I want a Chalupa :)

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Looking at the pictures from Wilson's trip to the hospital one can only be amazed that he survived the beating that Brown was trying to give him.

http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/images-presented-to-the-grand-jury/

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doubledeluxe

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Reading the testimony of Wilson and a few of the witnesses it's pretty obvious that Brown was 100% at fault here.

However I do have to question some of the mistakes made. Having the radio on channel 3? Possible it was switched during the scuffle? Washing his hands rigorously before anyone could really see them? People will focus on this. Also the fact that he said he looked like a demon will surely enrage a few people even if it was true. He's pretty blunt when it comes to the neighborhood being a shithole and him having to be on his guard when he's there.

I doubt I'll read more. It's kinda painful to read the testimony of the neighbors who can barely speak proper English. It's pretty amazing what people notice. One neighbor clearly saw most of the confrontation, including the two gunshots in the car, but she did not hear them. She noticed the effect of them running away but did not hear the gunshots.
 

doubledeluxe

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Reading through the testimony of his injuries he has a hard time pointing them out. He says though that the front shot is the best one to see them. I have no doubt he got hit a few times but the pictures really don't convey it very well. Regardless there are too many witnesses who see Brown tussling with Wilson in the police car. Dumbass.
 

werepossum

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Wow... So much fail with you.

He did his job... to the letter. They didn't need a special prosecutor as even the DOJ didn't find civil rights violations.

"He just does an evidence dump to a bunch of civilians who wind up trying the case, which is not supposed to happen"

That is what a fucking Grand Jury is... civilians and you and everyone should be grateful that grand juries are. HE released all the evidence so there would be no question from anyone that the grand jury saw everything. He wasn't tried by the grand jury - that isn't their responsibility and you know it. Stop fucking trolling.
This was highly irregular though. I don't when I've ever heard of a Grand jury hearing defense testimony.

I applaud them for taking their time and going through all the evidence so thoroughly. Like Shane, I hope they release all the evidence so that everyone can review it. Probably won't change many minds, but would clear up some things. I know I'd like some questions answered.

Hate to break it to you genius but GJs are probable cause hearings not the actual trial.

For example if the GJ goes into judging the credibility of one witness vs another that is what a trial is for.

Also prosecutors are supposed to prosecute the case. That is not what was done.
Prosecutors are supposed to prosecute the case IFF they believe a crime has been committed. Prosecutors prosecuting cases where they do not believe a crime has been committed is an offense against justice.

Turns out that quite a few of the witnesses recanted portions of their testimony when confronted with physical evidence that contradicted it.
Anyone can be flat-out wrong, but I'd like to see people who gave testimony and later admitted they were intentionally lying prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
 

LTC8K6

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This was highly irregular though. I don't when I've ever heard of a Grand jury hearing defense testimony.

I applaud them for taking their time and going through all the evidence so thoroughly. Like Shane, I hope they release all the evidence so that everyone can review it. Probably won't change many minds, but would clear up some things. I know I'd like some questions answered.


Prosecutors are supposed to prosecute the case IFF they believe a crime has been committed. Prosecutors prosecuting cases where they do not believe a crime has been committed is an offense against justice.


Anyone can be flat-out wrong, but I'd like to see people who gave testimony and later admitted they were intentionally lying prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

It's not a crime to lie to the media. Most likely, they told the truth when questioned officially, and this was different from being on CNN.
 

werepossum

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There hasn't been a good reporter in two decades. They are all Jerry Springers now.
Watergate and Vietnam combined to change the point of reportage. It's now an image industry and often an advocacy industry, as in this case.

Exactly when did I defend Brown.

Oh that's right because I was more skeptical of law enforcement then you that is an automatic defense of Brown??
It's very difficult (in my opinion anyway) to not be sympathetic to Brown and his family because he's dead at 18 and he doesn't seem to have any history that would make us say "good riddance", regardless of his apparently atypical behavior that cost him his life.

I have no problem with Wilson and he also has my sympathy, but it's possible for him to turn around his life. Can't do that from a coffin.

Because if he had a son, he would have stolen something besides some stupid cigars.
lol +1

If I had a son, he'd look like Michael. But he wouldn't steal cigars. Because tobacco is bad.
 

doubledeluxe

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The majority of the struggle in the car appears to be over the gun. The injuries to his face are from 2 punches and one he says wasn't that big a deal. He was worried about a 3rd one though.
 

adairusmc

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I know they halted donations to the GoFundMe site, but have they started taking Donations for Officer Darren Wilson again? I have some extra money I would like to donate for a job well done.
 

werepossum

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I have to admit that I laughed a little bit when Obama said we were a nation built on the rule of law.

Why does he feel obligated to speak about this, exactly?
Yep. The protesters are merely prioritizing which laws they are going to obey.

It's because Wilson was not just accused of murdering Brown. The mindset in the media and the mob was Wilson was on trial for every injustice done against any person of dark skin color in the history of this nation. Injustices have been done to people in the past, that is a proven fact, and therefore Wilson must be found guilty. It doesn't matter what the facts are. Injustices have occurred, Wilson must be punished.

It's a very sad thing to watch...
Yep, and well said.

They gassed the hell out of that one street. I wonder how many protesters have gas masks. Watching ABC news on appletv live stream.

What are protesters trying to accomplish now? There won't be an indictment and no repeat grand jury, so do they have a purpose now or are they just expressing anger?
Christmas shopping.
 

werepossum

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This is the truest piece of information is this thread. There are and always will be periods of time where gov't cannot protect your property and your life. Arming yourself is no different than having an umbrella insurance policy.
Yep. And in this case the cops are intentionally not protecting people for political correctness and/or fear of escalating the violence. I'm assuming they will still respond to 9-1-1 calls where practical, but if you're in the path of the riot that will be academic to you. You're either armed, or you're a victim.

It's not a crime to lie to the media. Most likely, they told the truth when questioned officially, and this was different from being on CNN.
The prosecutor specifically said they changed their testimony though, and speaking to the media is not testimony.
 

LTC8K6

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Yep. And in this case the cops are intentionally not protecting people for political correctness and/or fear of escalating the violence. I'm assuming they will still respond to 9-1-1 calls where practical, but if you're in the path of the riot that will be academic to you. You're either armed, or you're a victim.


The prosecutor specifically said they changed their testimony though, and speaking to the media is not testimony.

Well, you can read their statements yourself and decide.
 

werepossum

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No one thought that was Darren Wilson, iirc.

And what does that have to do with the GJ not giving the injuries much weight?
It's something that never should have been published though, an obvious attempt to sway the public akin to claiming that Wilson shot Brown in the back and then showing a large black man shot in the back with a shotgun.

Well, you can read their statements yourself and decide.
Yep - not that my opinion is going to matter much. :)
 

LTC8K6

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If that were a real pic of DW, then McCulloch could simply have produced it and declined to prosecute.
 

LTC8K6

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It's something that never should have been published though, an obvious attempt to sway the public akin to claiming that Wilson shot Brown in the back and then showing a large black man shot in the back with a shotgun.


Yep - not that my opinion is going to matter much. :)

You can't do anything about fake/false internet posts like that.
 

ivwshane

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I'm on page 102/105 and the story told to this person who is then repeating the story is inconsistent with the first testimony on in the beginning and it adds quite a bit of detail, in fact too much detail. Particular interesting is the recalling of wilson trying to decide which defense to use, mace, asp baton, and then finally a gun, all while hearing brown tell dorian, " here take this".

What's also interesting is the part about brown telling wilson he's too much of a pussy to shoot him, which apparently didn't make it into to the officers original testimony but was later recalled.

I also find the testimony that wilson told an officer/detective. (I don't remember who), that brown ran, stopped, put his hands up, talked trash and then charged wilson, and from what I can tell, brown charged wilson with his hands up.

What pages are the other witnesses testimony on (ie not the police officers)?