Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

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werepossum

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Good thing, you'd die.

Holder held a press conference though, to urge police restraint
LOL

Police restraint seems a pretty reasonable thing to ask.

Yep, me too.

Worthless drivel, not worth reposting in a quote.

Take a basic course on logic

Premises:
If A => B
B

Your Conclusion:
Therefore, A

Actual Logic:
B does not imply A

And please do the world a favor and stop repeating your false logic. It's an insult to the forum. Goodbye and have a nice day.
lol +1
 

werepossum

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OK Mr. "Ollie North told me OBL is dangerous",

Prove my logic wrong. Or are you trolling too? It's funny that no one will refute what I wrote.
lol "Logic". Right.

Everyone knows why he is resigning. Well, everyone with functioning brains. If he continues to police that community, he is a dead man regardless of the lack of charges.
 

GarfieldtheCat

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lol "Logic". Right.

Everyone knows why he is resigning. Well, everyone with functioning brains. If he continues to police that community, he is a dead man regardless of the lack of charges.

Then provide proof. Or are you admitting you don't have a functional brain?

Do you deny that cops sometimes get off and are allowed to resign without charges?

If so, provide proof...after all, you claim you have a brain (albeit one that believes anonymous chain emails about OBL).
 

werepossum

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Then provide proof. Or are you admitting you don't have a functional brain?

Do you deny that cops sometimes get off and are allowed to resign without charges?

If so, provide proof...after all, you claim you have a brain (albeit one that believes anonymous chain emails about OBL).
Gee, I would, but I hate to distract you from watching Chelsea sleep.
 

GarfieldtheCat

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Gee, I would, but I hate to distract you from watching Chelsea sleep.

Trolls gonna troll I guess. Guess you can't prove me wrong. You sure didn't about Manning, since the Military judge agreed with me. Guess you are still pissed you were wrong about that and that you believe anonymous chain emails. Sucks to be you I guess.

Seems like you, cubby, and Ichinisan sure don't want to even admit the POSSIBLITY that the alleged resignation (if in fact he does not get indicted, and then does resign) would imply wrongdoing on Officer Wilson's part.

Hmmm, I wonder why? Yet no of you will prove me wrong.

It's not like things like that don't happen. I provided a clear cut example of one. It happens all the time, you see it in business too. CEO's resign instead of getting fired, or agree to leave in lieu of charges/fines.

Don't know why you all can't admit that it might be happening here. Unless there is something deeper about why you have to believe he is totally not at fault.
 

cubby1223

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Seems like you, cubby, and Ichinisan sure don't want to even admit the POSSIBLITY that the alleged resignation (if in fact he does not get indicted, and then does resign) would imply wrongdoing on Officer Wilson's part.

Add this website to your required studying before posting:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/

Afterwards polish up on this material again:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Material_conditional

You are typing words as if you understand what they mean. You don't. Study those websites.

Resignation does not in any way shape or form imply wrong-doing. There is no probability in this. Study those websites. Don't respond until you go over the material very thoroughly.
 
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GarfieldtheCat

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Add this website to your required studying before posting:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/

Afterwards polish up on this material again:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Material_conditional

You are typing words as if you understand what they mean. You don't. Study those websites.

Resignation does not in any way shape or form imply wrong-doing. Study those websites. Don't respond until you go over the material very, very carefully.

Once again, you don't understand what you are typing. Let me dumb this down to make it easy for you, since obviously logic is too complex for you.

Example of what I said:
My statement - People can be fat.
Proof of my statement - Picture of person that everyone agrees is fat.

I proved that people can be fat, but I didn't prove all people are fat (nor did I claim all people are fat)

Was that too hard?

Your premise for what you think I said:
Statement: ALL people are fat
(incorrect)Proof: Picture of person that everyone agrees is fat.

Now that is clearly not true. But, that is not what I typed either. So not sure why you are going off like that.

So my statement: That police CAN (as in not always) get off with a resignation in lieu of criminal charges for various reasons

Proof: Video of CHP office clearly assaulting a woman, everyone agrees what the officer did was wrong, yet officer was not charged, but resigned. Government paid out over $1mill to settle civil case because the officer was at fault, and they admitted that.


Now you know that you are wrong, and can either prove that my statement is ALWAYS wrong, or you can admit you are wrong or you misread it, or you can bail out because you have embarrassed yourself.
 

CZroe

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#1 Provide proof Officer Wilson can't do his job is he is not indicted. It seems from other cases where police offices killed/beat/abused citizens and were not charged, they continued doing their jobs.

How's this? (see quote below)
Would taking down this animal (thug with a badge) really be a crime. It is like taking down a rabid dog.
THAT'S why he can't function as a police officer. Only a blathering idiot can't see that. He will have REAL WORLD CONTACT with REAL PEOPLE who feel that way, the same REAL PEOPLE who are "protesting" with pipe bombs.

#2 If he is innocent, why would he resign? That would mean he didn't do anything wrong.
Already explained. His legal innocence is meaningless to the mob or individuals who want him dead and know where to find him. It isn't a concept unique to police, no matter how much you want to hate them. Did you honestly think George Zimmerman could go back to patrolling the same streets as Neighborhood Watch Captain with all the death threats against him and his family? He couldn't even go back to the neighborhood!

#3 Since you obviously didn't read the fucking article, it states that he would only resign if not indicted. GG for reading skills dude. Guess it was too hard to take the 30sec to educate yourself huh?
Your comprehension is lacking as well. It does not say that he wouldn't resign at all if he is not indicted, he simply wouldn't resign YET. There are reasons to stay in the system through the legal process including Union support. He still would not be able to function in his normal duties and would almost certainly have to resign after the courts reached a verdict, innocent OR guilty. You have made laughably ridiculous conclusions and yet you insult him for "reading skills."

#4 In the article I linked, the CHP office clearly broke the law (if you disagree, provide proof as to why beating the crap out of a defenseless woman is legal, we'll be waiting for that). Also, he clearly was NOT charged with a crime. So the family did a civil suit, and the government settled for $1.5 million. That means they knew they were at fault. So ask yourself if they knew that, why wasn't he charged? Why was he allowed to get away with criminal assault?

That example I posted was a clear example that even when cops break the law, they are not prosecuted, and are allowed to resign without anything bad happening to them.
Since when has being forced to resign not a bad thing?

So why not that possibility in this case? The example I posted proves it can and does happen. Fact.

Post your proof that he can't work anymore. Post proof that the CHP officer didn't commit an illegal act. Post proof why you think the CHP office should have not been charged with a crime.

You are an embarrassment, you can't even read TFA, and then make up all sorts of ideas. Yup, that certainly is an embarrassment for you.
The proof that he can't work anymore is posted including a threat from this very forum. The CHP incident has nothing to do with anything and it is hilarious that you think it does. If anyone should be embarrassed, it is you.

Genghis Khan killed someone and got away with it! Post your proof that Genghis Khan didn't commit an illegal act! Post your proof why you think Genghis Khan should have not been charged with a crime! PROOF than all human beings can just kill and get away with it because Genghis Khan did! DEATH TO ALL HUMANS! :rolleyes:
 

The Merg

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#1 Provide proof Officer Wilson can't do his job is he is not indicted. It seems from other cases where police offices killed/beat/abused citizens and were not charged, they continued doing their jobs.



#2 If he is innocent, why would he resign? That would mean he didn't do anything wrong.



#3 Since you obviously didn't read the fucking article, it states that he would only resign if not indicted. GG for reading skills dude. Guess it was too hard to take the 30sec to educate yourself huh?



#4 In the article I linked, the CHP office clearly broke the law (if you disagree, provide proof as to why beating the crap out of a defenseless woman is legal, we'll be waiting for that). Also, he clearly was NOT charged with a crime. So the family did a civil suit, and the government settled for $1.5 million. That means they knew they were at fault. So ask yourself if they knew that, why wasn't he charged? Why was he allowed to get away with criminal assault?



That example I posted was a clear example that even when cops break the law, they are not prosecuted, and are allowed to resign without anything bad happening to them.



So why not that possibility in this case? The example I posted proves it can and does happen. Fact.



Post your proof that he can't work anymore. Post proof that the CHP officer didn't commit an illegal act. Post proof why you think the CHP office should have not been charged with a crime.



You are an embarrassment, you can't even read TFA, and then make up all sorts of ideas. Yup, that certainly is an embarrassment for you.


1. While that is true in a lot of cases, this case is significantly different due to the media coverage as well as the huge protests along with multitudes of threats against him.

2. He would resign due to the fact that there's a huge possibility that he wouldn't be able to effectively police in that neighborhood anymore. Can you imagine what would happen every time he needs to detain someone in Ferguson? Imagine how things would explode if he had to use force on someone again.

3. If he's indicted, it's in his best interest to hold onto his job. He would have the backing of his union still as he would still be a police officer. If he is not indicted, he doesn't need the union anymore and could resign at that time.

4. While it appears obvious that the officer did use excessive force, the courts have said that excessive force in itself is not a criminal violation, but is rather a civil rights violation. They've even said that it does not matter what the intent or mindset of the officer was when committing the act. If the officer was acting in the performance of their duties, the courts give officers a lot of leeway. In this case, the woman was initially not complying with the officer and resisted, but as the video shows, the officer obviously went too far.

With regard to the lawsuit, the city did settle the lawsuit, but as usual did not admit any wrongdoing. The government will routinely settle a lawsuit if they determine the cost to settle is cheaper than having a trial. In this case though, part of the settlement was that the officer resign, which he agreed to do. He agreed as the government then covers him in the lawsuit settlement. If he didn't agree to resign, the government could settle and the suit against him would have continued and he would have been personally liable then.

- Merg
 

Matt1970

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lol "Logic". Right.

Everyone knows why he is resigning. Well, everyone with functioning brains. If he continues to police that community, he is a dead man regardless of the lack of charges.

Then provide proof. Or are you admitting you don't have a functional brain?

Do you deny that cops sometimes get off and are allowed to resign without charges?

If so, provide proof...after all, you claim you have a brain (albeit one that believes anonymous chain emails about OBL).

You can't possible be that naïve. An entire city was full of rioters over his alleged actions. Not only will he not be able to police that community, in all likelihood he will have to relocate.
 

Ichinisan

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#1 Provide proof Officer Wilson can't do his job is he is not indicted. It seems from other cases where police offices killed/beat/abused citizens and were not charged, they continued doing their jobs.

#2 If he is innocent, why would he resign? That would mean he didn't do anything wrong.

#3 Since you obviously didn't read the fucking article, it states that he would only resign if not indicted. GG for reading skills dude. Guess it was too hard to take the 30sec to educate yourself huh?

#4 In the article I linked, the CHP office clearly broke the law (if you disagree, provide proof as to why beating the crap out of a defenseless woman is legal, we'll be waiting for that). Also, he clearly was NOT charged with a crime. So the family did a civil suit, and the government settled for $1.5 million. That means they knew they were at fault. So ask yourself if they knew that, why wasn't he charged? Why was he allowed to get away with criminal assault?

That example I posted was a clear example that even when cops break the law, they are not prosecuted, and are allowed to resign without anything bad happening to them.

So why not that possibility in this case? The example I posted proves it can and does happen. Fact.

Post your proof that he can't work anymore. Post proof that the CHP officer didn't commit an illegal act. Post proof why you think the CHP office should have not been charged with a crime.

You are an embarrassment, you can't even read TFA, and then make up all sorts of ideas. Yup, that certainly is an embarrassment for you.

Good job proving my logic (and the logic of Darren Wilson + counsel) absolutely 100% correct.

Do you really think he can go back to serving his community when so many are calling for his head?

He would resign because there's no fucking way anyone could withstand the hostility and danger. What world do you live in? A world where Darren Wilson is suicidal and wants to subject himself to the fury of an angry mob? Did you or anyone else SERIOUSLY believe he was ever going to be a cop on the street EVER again?

He planned to resign if not indicted? WELL NO-FUCKING-SHIT, SHERLOCK! That's exactly what I said.

Here's the logic again:
- If (no indictment), then {go ahead and resign}.
- If (indictment), then {wait until after the trial to resign}.

Otherwise, if there's a trial and he resigns before the trial, the resignation would be mischaracterized during the trial. Don't even try to argue against that, because you're bending over backward to mischaracterize it right now.

Again: In his situation, no reasonable human being would try to go back to work the same job. Not one. If you think otherwise, you are lying to yourself or you simply cannot comprehend the situation. Even if the GJ decides to go to trial (unlikely, since everything we know says they don't have enough evidence for a conviction), and even if he's found innocent in the trial, there will be a resignation or change of duty / position that keeps him away from the public.

You brought up a completely unrelated case with the CHP officer beating that old woman. That department didn't even try to fight. Their officer was wrong. The department settled. The family agreed to the settlement.

You proved that officers can get away with crimes. Again: Well NO-FUCKING-SHIT, SHERLOCK! Did you really think any of us believed this was some perfect world where all bad cops get just punishment? Get out of here with that nonsense. You brought up something that was so completely-unrelated that they can't even be compared.

The MB/DW case isn't even remotely the same. The department and officer Wilson have admitted to no wrongdoing and there's plenty of evidence to back up officer Wilson's version of the events. You seem to assume officer Wilson is guilty of murder. Why? That's just sick. You're just another one of the mindless mob and you've already judged him only on the basis that he's a cop.
 

Ichinisan

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Here is my logic..it isn't hard, so maybe you can figure it out.

It is possible that Wilson is resigning because the DA/police don't want to charge him. Maybe they think he broke the law, but can't prove it in court. Maybe he only broke dept regulations, but didn't break the law. Maybe as a DA that always supports cops no matter what, they just don't want to punish a brohter officer. Could be a lot of reasons.

To support this, I provide proof that this CAN and DOES happen, as my example clearly shows. I am sure you can find a lot more if you look around.

So logically, what I wrote is possible, as my supporting example shows. Because it happened in the example I posted.

In no way shape or form did I say that it HAS to be that. I said it is POSSIBLE, and has happened before. So please explain how it is in no way possible for his alleged resignation to be linked to some sort of misconduct.

Thanks for playing, go back to school and learn to read and use logic. Gotta love these dumbasses that won't refute statements or prove their own with facts.

No. No. No.

They didn't neglect to charge the CHP officer because he resigned. They didn't charge him because the case was settled.

Understand?

Do you really think the MB/DW case will be "settled" by DW's resignation? Wow. What are you thinking? Michael Brown's family will be OK with a resignation alone? The mob will be placated? No charges? No cash settlement? Nothing?

You don't even understand how this works. Neither DW nor the police department would want DW to resign when there's still a chance it could go to trial. Got it?
 

Ichinisan

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So my statement: That police CAN (as in not always) get off with a resignation in lieu of criminal charges for various reasons
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LOL! You really do believe that?! The resignation wasn't "in lieu of criminal charges." The $1.5mil settlement was! The CHP officer commited a crime when he beat that old woman. It was provable. The department knew it. No one intended to fight that case on behalf of the officer or the department. The department settled with the victim (the $1.5mil agreement). The victim dropped charges.

Leave.
 

xBiffx

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The level of cognitive dissonance being expressed by a certain poster here is astonishing. Simply astonishing.

Thanks to all who actually have taken the time to try and explain it to him. Although likely unsuccessful your attempts are still appreciated.

The problem going forward is that there are thousands of people who think like that and they don't just post in forums.
 

DCal430

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Has anyone looked into the other murders this thug with a badge has been in. I doubt this is his first kill.
 

Sinsear

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Has anyone looked into the other murders this thug with a badge has been in. I doubt this is his first kill.


Lol, you're like howard stern. I don't care for you but keep tuning in to see what you're going to post next.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Has anyone looked into the other murders this thug with a badge has been in. I doubt this is his first kill.

This answer is going to cause your butthurt to get worse. No, this fine officer has not been involved in any other shootings though he has received awards for his service.

http://news.yahoo.com/photos-fergus...police-award-earlier-this-year-021255893.html

Police Officer Darren Wilson earned a commendation for his “extraordinary effort in the line of duty.”
 

Jaskalas

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Has anyone looked into the other murders this thug with a badge has been in. I doubt this is his first kill.

That's just ridiculous slander stemming from personal hatred. You should have a TV show covering trials.