Mississippi Passes 'Right to Discriminate' Bill based on religious beliefs

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Wow wow, double wow.. lmao What a retarded state.

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Last night, lawmakers in Mississippi passed SB 2681, an Arizona-style "right to discriminate" bill that would allow individuals and businesses to refuse to serve people or groups if they claimed that treating them equally would "substantially burden" their "exercise of religion."

The measure grants wide latitude for people and businesses to pick and choose who they want to serve, as long as they say they're doing it on religious grounds. Even "laws 'neutral' toward religion may burden religious exercise as surely as laws intended to interfere with religious exercise," the bill asserts.

The Washington Blade reports:
In a development that largely went unnoticed on the national stage, the State House and Senate on the same day both approved a conference report for S.B. 2681, the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. The vote in the Republican-controlled House was 78-43 and the vote in the Republican-controlled Senate vote was 38-14.

The bill now goes to conservative Republican Governor Phil Bryant, who is widely expected to sign it into law. If he does, the measure will take effect on July 1.

SB 2681's language is broad, and its sponsor -- Baptist minister and Republican State Senator Phillip Gandy -- has been careful not to specifically mention LGBT people in his public comments about the bill. But wink-and-a-nod remarks like one, from an interview Gandy gave to conservative Christian website OneNewsNow.com makes the bill's intent perfectly clear:
Sen. Gandy adds that it is not a reflection of the advances homosexual activists have made in pushing Christians into the closet.

"We are asked to be tolerant of many things," the lawmaker accounts, "and all we're asking for is some understanding and tolerance of our beliefs as well, that we would not be placed under an undue burden to do something that would violate our religious freedoms and our religious beliefs."

See? This isn't about discrimination against the anti-Christian homosexual activists. It's about tolerance, you guys!

Of course, equality advocates are calling shenanigans. Details, after the jump.

Human Rights Campaign State Legislative Director Sarah Warbelow reacted via press release:
"While there were many efforts to correct the clearly problematic elements of this legislation, the bill still has the effect of making LGBT people strangers to the law. Before Mississippi has had the opportunity to robustly discuss the lived experiences of LGBT people, this bill would hollow out any non-discrimination protections at the local level or possible future state-wide protections. Just as we've seen in other states, this bill is bad for business, bad for the state's reputation, and most of all, bad for Mississippians. Governor Bryant must veto the measure."
The ACLU adds:
"We remain hopeful that courts throughout the state will reject any attempts to use religion to justify discrimination," said Jennifer Riley-Collins, executive director of the ACLU of Mississippi. "Nobody should be refused service because of who they are."...
Legislatures across the country, including in Georgia, Idaho, Maine, and Ohio, have rejected similar measures. On February 26, 2014, Governor Jan Brewer vetoed Arizona's version. Bills are still pending in Missouri and Oklahoma.
"Even though the Mississippi legislature removed some of the egregious language from Arizona's infamous SB 1062, we are disappointed that it passed this unnecessary law and ignored the national, public outcry against laws of this nature," said Eunice Rho, advocacy and policy counsel with the ACLU. "We will continue to fight in state legislatures across the country to ensure that religious freedom remains a shield, not a sword."

And as Deep South Progressive notes, the real effect of this bill will be to privilege religion above all else in the Magnolia State:

The point, of course, is to say that there is almost nothing over which a claim of religious belief does not take precedence. A law doesn't have to be intended to interfere with religious exercise; a religious person just has to claim it interferes.

This version of the bill goes beyond protecting free exercise of religion, instead solidly establishing claims of religious exercise in a privileged position above all else.

That right there is what it's all about, folks. See, there are no protections for LGBT folks in Mississippi right now, at either the state or the local level -- so it's already legal to "turn away the gay" because Jesus, or because any other reason.

So what SB 2681 amounts to is a preemptive strike against future advancements in LGBT rights. Mississippi lawmakers see the writing on the wall -- they know that society is moving rapidly in the direction of LGBT inclusiveness and equality -- so their goal with this bill is to carve out as wide a berth for religion-based bigotry as possible and sabotage future efforts to advance things like local nondiscrimination ordinances in that state.


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Oldgamer

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Yes because so many of these "christians" are so "christian like" and would do what Jesus would do ... sigh

my ass...
 

thraashman

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I can't say I'm surprised. In a country with states like Texas, Florida, Arizona, and Kansas, somehow Mississippi regularly ends up outdoing those others for most fucked up state. This is the state afterall where 46% of the GOP think interracial marriage should be banned.
 

nehalem256

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Don't want laws like this passed... then don't sue people for refusing to participate in your gay wedding. Seems pretty simple to me.
 

cmdrdredd

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it's totally what Jesus would do. or walk in a start flipping tables and shit.

heh...well, England and the UK is a bit different with their church. I'm not well versed in it but there is a state church I believe which sets the rules for the local churches that are under their banner so to speak. I don't know how much influence the courts have over them etc. Unlike in the US where the church and any religious group cannot be affiliated with a government body and has to abide by national, state, and local laws.
 

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None of those appear to be in Mississippi. None of those business would participate in any other way than services rendered. All of those businesses discriminate against people based on a life choice that doesn't even affect them. Jesus would sue them too for being self righteous assholes perpetuating hate. The weird part is, refusal to provide services didn't actually stop any of the events from what I read.

Leave it to Christians to choose the Old Testament "eye for an eye" (Exodus IIRC, don't remember what chapter and verse) while forgetting the New Testament teachings of Christ through his actions, when it suits them. The new Christian is so full of hate it's sad, because if what they believed was even true...then they'd be sitting in hell with me. I'd keep their seat warm, but it wouldn't be necessary.
 
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ch33zw1z

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heh...well, England and the UK is a bit different with their church. I'm not well versed in it but there is a state church I believe which sets the rules for the local churches that are under their banner so to speak. I don't know how much influence the courts have over them etc. Unlike in the US where the church and any religious group cannot be affiliated with a government body and has to abide by national, state, and local laws.

Don't worry, Evengelical Fundies are working hard to change that.
 

nehalem256

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None of those appear to be in Mississippi. None of those business would participate in any other way than services rendered. All of those businesses discriminate against people based on a life choice that doesn't even affect them. Jesus would sue them too for being self righteous assholes perpetuating hate.

I think that is a term that better applies to someone who sues someone for I don't know refusing to participate in my same-sex marriage, which is a violation of their religion.
 

cmdrdredd

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None of those appear to be in Mississippi. None of those business would participate in any other way than services rendered. All of those businesses discriminate against people based on a life choice that doesn't even affect them. Jesus would sue them too for being self righteous assholes perpetuating hate.

Leave it to Christians to choose the Old Testament "eye for an eye" (Exodus IIRC, don't remember what chapter and verse) while forgetting the New Testament teachings of Christ through his actions, when it suits them. The new Christian is so full of hate it's sad, because if what they believed was even true...then they'd be sitting in hell with me. I'd keep their seat warm, but it wouldn't be necessary.

What I want to know though...seriously here.

Why can a business not simply refuse the sale? That is what they are doing, selling a service. They aren't allowed to say "I'm sorry, I cannot accommodate you." and it's too much trouble to find another business who would serve you? I don't know the particulars of what was said...how the refusal was handled etc. I'm just saying that if someone came into my business and I felt uncomfortable and declined to do business with them, the idea is to sue to force me to rather than simply find another business?
 

ch33zw1z

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Now those I don't necessarily agree with but my understanding of the law isn't 100%. Isn't it the right of a business to refuse a sale?

I haven't read all the links entirely yet, nor do I know this stuff 100%. It appears. Let's just look at the first one:

A Washington state florist who refused to sell flowers to a gay couple for their wedding has been sued by the American Civil Liberties Union, in the second legal action accusing the vendor of discrimination.

Florist Barronelle Stutzman already faced a consumer protection lawsuit over the incident filed against her last week by state Attorney General Bob Ferguson. She maintained her Christian beliefs prevented her from selling the flowers for the same-sex wedding, according to court papers.

The plaintiffs in the latest lawsuit filed on Thursday are Robert Ingersoll and Curt Freed, who are represented by the American Civil Liberties Union of Washington state.

The couple were longtime customers of Stutzman's southeast Washington state business, Arlene's Flowers, in Richland, their lawsuit said.

Oh, so the business didn't have any problem selling flowers to a gay couple until it was time for the big day? lol....

The legal battle follows a move by Washington state voters in November to allow gay marriage, but the ACLU's lawsuit is not based on the legality of same-sex marriage in the state.

Instead, it centers on the state's law prohibiting discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, said Doug Honig, spokesman for the ACLU of Washington state.

"Everybody is entitled to their own private religious beliefs and the ACLU respects that strongly," Honig said.

"But a business open to the public cannot use religion as a reason to justify discriminating," he said.

If this is accurate, then no...they can't refuse based on sexual orientation.
 

ch33zw1z

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What I want to know though...seriously here.

Why can a business not simply refuse the sale? That is what they are doing, selling a service. They aren't allowed to say "I'm sorry, I cannot accommodate you." and it's too much trouble to find another business who would serve you? I don't know the particulars of what was said...how the refusal was handled etc. I'm just saying that if someone came into my business and I felt uncomfortable and declined to do business with them, the idea is to sue to force me to rather than simply find another business?

They can, but not for just any reason. The best bet is for the business to say "sorry, I can't" and leave it at that, but Christians won't roll like that.

Like I said in my last post, the first link indicates that the gay couple were patrons prior to the wedding. So they were probably surprised at the refusal and pressed the flower shop for a reason.
 

cmdrdredd

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I haven't read all the links entirely yet, nor do I know this stuff 100%. It appears. Let's just look at the first one:



Oh, so the business didn't have any problem selling flowers to a gay couple until it was time for the big day? lol....



If this is accurate, then no...they can't refuse based on sexual orientation.

What if a business didn't give a reason? You can't just assume it was because of this or that. I know I'm making up a situation that probably doesn't make sense, but if you come into my business I can refuse service. If I promise service and then don't deliver for this reason or that then you have a legitimate complaint. If you say you'll do it and money is exchanged, you're obligated to fulfill your side of the agreement.
 

ch33zw1z

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I think that is a term that better applies to someone who sues someone for I don't know refusing to participate in my same-sex marriage, which is a violation of their religion.

Don't want to get sued in Washington state? then don't discriminate based on sexual orientation. What was that you said? oh yea, seems pretty simple to me.

On a side note, I don't consider providing flowers as participation. And the fact that the couple were already customers means the shop owner is a tool bag.
 

ch33zw1z

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What if a business didn't give a reason? You can't just assume it was because of this or that. I know I'm making up a situation that probably doesn't make sense, but if you come into my business I can refuse service. If I promise service and then don't deliver for this reason or that then you have a legitimate complaint. If you say you'll do it and money is exchanged, you're obligated to fulfill your side of the agreement.

I know what you're saying. Just think about the flower shop. You have a gay couple who have already been customers, and then you refuse service for the event. I don't know how it went down, but I doubt the gay couple didn't press for a reason. And then you have to think about how in your face people can be in general. I doubt the religious convictions were stifled for long.
 

nehalem256

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Don't want to get sued in Washington state? then don't discriminate based on sexual orientation. What was that you said? oh yea, seems pretty simple to me.

Yep, do it in Mississippi ;)

See how that works.

On a side note, I don't consider providing flowers as participation. And the fact that the couple were already customers means the shop owner is a tool bag.

Then clearly she wasn't discriminating based on sexual orientation :colbert:
 

nehalem256

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I know what you're saying. Just think about the flower shop. You have a gay couple who have already been customers, and then you refuse service for the event. I don't know how it went down, but I doubt the gay couple didn't press for a reason.

So you are clearly stating the issue was the event and not the orientation.:colbert: