Mississippi down to one abortion clinic

[fskimospy]

I am addressing you stance, jut not in the way you expect or want me to address it.

If outlawing abortion increases the number of women who die from back alley abortions, they need to stop having back alley abortions.

Stop trying to murder your unborn child, step up and take responsibility for your actions.

It is that simple.

So just to be clear on your position let me draw you a thought experiment:

Option A:
Abortion legal.
1 million abortions per year.
10 mothers die during procedure.

Option B:
Abortion illegal.
1 million abortions per year.
10,000 mothers die during procedure.

You're saying you prefer option B. Justify it.

 

[fskimospy]

I like this game!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cities_of_Refuge

But hey, lets use the old testament as wonderful way to lay down the rules for our modern socially evolved society.

Given your misogynistic behaviour history, you would love that.

I for one look forward to putting to death all the adulterers out there.

And one of my favourites:

“If a thief is caught breaking in and is struck so that he dies, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed; but if it happens after sunrise, he is guilty of bloodshed.”

They may need to add that to stand your ground laws.

Not only that, but women should be kicked out of the house when they're on their period! God said so.

Then again, nehalem would probably LOVE that.

 

[CitizenKain]

If outlawing abortion increases the number of women who die from back alley abortions, they need to stop having back alley abortions.

Stop trying to murder your unborn child, step up and take responsibility for your actions.

Especially those whores who get raped right? They need to learn to take responsibility. That is what you are saying.

 

[thraashman]

They are ending up dead because of their choice to commit murder.

Why are you saying women are not responsible for their actions?

Well a fetus isn't a human. But a woman is. So your position ends up being the cause of more dead humans than all abortions combined. At worst it's depraved indifference. I expect you to take your own life since you feel a murderer should be put to death, and you admit here more responsibility for the death of people than all abortions ever.

 

[nehalem256]

So just to be clear on your position let me draw you a thought experiment:

Option A:
Abortion legal.
1 million abortions per year.
10 mothers die during procedure.

Option B:
Abortion illegal.
1 million abortions per year.
10,000 mothers die during procedure.

You're saying you prefer option B. Justify it.

Proof that not even one abortion would prevented by making abortion illegal? Because your Brazil stats don't seem particularly convincing since they seem to be arguing that making abortion illegal makes more people get abortions:hmm:

Also, the 10,000 dead "mothers" is a fabrication:

In Aborting America (1979) Nathanson writes: "In NARAL we generally emphasized the drama of the individual case, not the mass statistics, but when we spoke of the latter it was always '5,000 to 10,000 deaths a year.' I confess that I knew the figures were totally false, and I suppose the others did too if they stopped to think of it. But in the 'morality' of our revolution, it was a useful figure, widely accepted, so why go out of our way to correct it with honest statistics?" (Emphasis is his

http://www.straightdope.com/columns...0-000-women-a-year-die-from-illegal-abortions

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Women learn abortion is no longer an option, they will take precautions.

Completely unsupported by historical fact.

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_IAW.html

If anything the rate of abortion doesn't change much, but the number of women dying during abortions is 100's of times higher.

Every sperm is sacred...

 

[nehalem256]

I like this game!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cities_of_Refuge

But hey, lets use the old testament as wonderful way to lay down the rules for our modern socially evolved society.

Given your misogynistic behaviour history, you would love that.

I for one look forward to putting to death all the adulterers out there.

Me too!

And one of my favourites:

“If a thief is caught breaking in and is struck so that he dies, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed; but if it happens after sunrise, he is guilty of bloodshed.”

They may need to add that to stand your ground laws.

Stand your ground laws do not allow you to kill thieves. They allow you to kill people if they are a threat to you.

 

[fskimospy]

Proof that not even one abortion would prevented by making abortion illegal? Because your Brazil stats don't seem particularly convincing since they seem to be arguing that making abortion illegal makes more people get abortions:hmm:

Also, the 10,000 dead "mothers" is a fabrication:
http://www.straightdope.com/columns...0-000-women-a-year-die-from-illegal-abortions

It was a thought experiment, dumbass. The numbers weren't supposed to be exact.

 

[mrjminer]

Implicit in the desire to make abortion illegal is the belief that abortion is murderer.

Saying we need to make murder legal, because otherwise murderers would die is not a very convincing argument.



I am not letting them die. They are dying due to their choice to commit murder. Are you suggesting women are not adults capable of being responsible for themselves?

To borrow a liberal phrase: Don't want to die from an illegal abortion; don't get one



They are ending up dead because of their choice to commit murder.

Why are you saying women are not responsible for their actions?

You have the ability to not permit someone to die, but you choose to permit them to die. You are a murderer. Additionally, you have now labeled yourself as an adult responsible for your actions. By your own rationale, you deserve to die and therefore believe that your death is warranted.

You have explained nothing, but have foolishly further tried to justify your own role as a murderer. Please try again, with some intelligence. Your choices are that you are a murderer, a murdering hypocrite (which may be on-par with the non-hypocritical murderer option if you are as devoid of all morals as you appear to be, and despite your apparent belief to the contrary), or that women practicing abortions are not murderers, in case you are lost at this point.

 

[nehalem256]

It was a thought experiment, dumbass. The numbers weren't supposed to be exact.

And you deliberately inflated the number of dead women by a factor of 10 or 100 to make it look like the streets would run red with blood.

The issue is it is fairly reasonable to believe that say 100 out of 1,000,000 women might be dissuaded from having an abortion if it was illegal.

 

[Texashiker]

Especially those whores who get raped right? They need to learn to take responsibility. That is what you are saying.

No.

So just to be clear on your position let me draw you a thought experiment:

Option A:
Abortion legal.
1 million abortions per year.
10 mothers die during procedure.

Option B:
Abortion illegal.
1 million abortions per year.
10,000 mothers die during procedure.

You're saying you prefer option B. Justify it.

How about option C:
Abortion illegal
0 abortions
0 mothers die

How many heroin addicts die every year? Does not mean we are going to legalize heroin.

How many people die from drinking and driving? Does not mean we are going to legalize drinking and driving.

How many people die from crack, crystal meth, speedballing,,,,? Does not mean we are going to legalize those drugs.

How many people are brain damaged from smoking K2? Does not mean we are going to legalize K2.

The woman made a choice to have a backalley abortion and died. This is somehow different than some meth head, bath salts or heroin addict who died?

Whether it was drinking and driving, heroin, crack, meth, bath salts or abortion, all of those people made a choice.

 

[nehalem256]

You have the ability to not permit someone to die, but you choose to permit them to die. You are a murderer. Additionally, you have now labeled yourself as an adult responsible for your actions. By your own rationale, you deserve to die and therefore believe that your death is warranted.

I didn't permit them to die. They made that choice.

Seems to me like you are trying to hold me responsible for women's choices.

 

[fskimospy]

You have the ability to not permit someone to die, but you choose to permit them to die. You are a murderer. Additionally, you have now labeled yourself as an adult responsible for your actions. By your own rationale, you deserve to die and therefore believe that your death is warranted.

You have explained nothing, but have foolishly further justified your own role as a murderer. Please try again, with some intelligence. Your choices are that you are a murderer, a murdering hypocrite (which may be on-par with the non-hypocritical murderer option if you are as devoid of all morals as you appear to be, and despite your apparent belief to the contrary), or that women practicing abortions are not murderers, in case you are lost at this point.

By the way, here's a quote from the guy who thinks that abortion is murder:

Anyone who gets pregnant and cannot afford the child gets an abortion. IF they cannot afford an abortion the government can loan the ~$500 at 5% interest (same terms as Goldman Sachs got).

So he's ok with murder so long as it means he doesn't have to pay any money. What a fucking dumbass.

 

[fskimospy]

No.

How about option C:
Abortion illegal
0 abortions
0 mothers die

How many heroin addicts die every year? Does not mean we are going to legalize heroin.

How many people die from drinking and driving? Does not mean we are going to legalize drinking and driving.

How many people die from crack, crystal meth, speedballing,,,,? Does not mean we are going to legalize those drugs.

How many people are brain damaged from smoking K2? Does not mean we are going to legalize K2.

The woman made a choice to have a backalley abortion and died. This is somehow different than some meth head, bath salts or heroin addict who died?

Whether it was drinking and driving, heroin, crack, meth, bath salts or abortion, all of those people made a choice.

So your answer is to magically invent circumstances that don't exist.

That is the most irresponsible position of all.

 

[mrjminer]

I didn't permit them to die. They made that choice.

Seems to me like you are trying to hold me responsible for women's choices.

So, now it's not that you aren't permitting their death, but that they are choosing to have you actively advocating for their death to be permitted?

You have still explained nothing, but, please, continue digging the hole to which you, as a murderer, immediately condemn yourself.

 

[Texashiker]

So your answer is to magically invent circumstances that don't exist.

That is the most irresponsible position of all.

To show how stupid your stance is, if legalization saves lives, when are we going to legalize heroin?

Surely if heroin was legal Philip Seymour Hoffman would still be alive today.

Philip made a choice to shoot heroin, and he died because of his choices.

Why should we feel sorry for women who make a choice that result in their death?

Take responsibility for your actions. It is that simply, really it is.

 

[fskimospy]

To show how stupid your stance is, if legalization saves lives, when are we going to legalize heroin?

Surely if heroin was legal Philip Seymour Hoffman would still be alive today.

Philip made a choice to shoot heroin, and he died because of his choices.

Why should we feel sorry for women who make a choice that result in their death?

Uhmm, we should legalize heroin for exactly that reason.

If you had data that showed keeping heroin illegal had no effect on heroin use but made more people die from heroin overdoses, you would have to be incredibly stupid to want to keep heroin illegal.

This is basic logic.

 

[Texashiker]

Uhmm, we should legalize heroin for exactly that reason.

Aren't there some studies that show legalization increases the number of users? Not for weed, but for highly addictive drugs such as crack and heroin?

Either way, why should women get special treatment by keeping abortion legal?

She made a choice, she got knocked up, deal with it.

 

[fskimospy]

Aren't there some studies that show legalization increases the number of users? Not for weed, but for highly addictive drugs such as crack and heroin?

Either way, why should women get special treatment by keeping abortion legal?

She made a choice, she got knocked up, deal with it.

I like how you cut off the rest of my post that addressed your question. Why would you do that?

You still have utterly failed to justify your position that you would like to enact a policy that does not decrease abortion but increases other deaths. How much longer do we need to wait?

 

[nehalem256]

Uhmm, we should legalize heroin for exactly that reason.

If you had data that showed keeping heroin illegal had no effect on heroin use but made more people die from heroin overdoses, you would have to be incredibly stupid to want to keep heroin illegal.

This is basic logic.

Well, you don't have any data that shows making abortion illegal has no effect on the number of abortions.

And in fact the only, highly questionable, data you presented shows that making abortion illegal actually significantly increases the number of abortions!

 

[fskimospy]

Well, you don't have any data that shows making abortion illegal has no effect on the number of abortions.

And in fact the only, highly questionable, data you presented shows that making abortion illegal actually significantly increases the number of abortions!

lol, no it doesn't. Have you ever been to college or learned how to read a study?

 

[Texashiker]

I like how you cut off the rest of my post that addressed your question. Why would you do that?

If you answer the first part your also answer the second part of your question.

You still have utterly failed to justify your position that you would like to enact a policy that does not decrease abortion but increases other deaths.

Why should society accommodate people who make poor choices?

Deal with your choices, it is that simple.

If enough dads killed themselves over child support payments, would the state reduce the amount they have to pay?

If enough dads kill their children will the states will reduce child support?

How many dads have to kill themselves before child support is illegal? We do not want people making poor choices that will end their lives,,, right?

Lets hold men and women to the same level of responsibility.

Dad kills himself over child support payments, society says so what.

Woman dies in back alley abortion, why should she get special treatment or attention?

 

[fskimospy]

If you answer the first part your also answer the second part of your question.

Why should society accommodate people who make poor choices?

Deal with your choices, it is that simple.

If enough dads killed themselves over child support payments, would the state reduce the amount they have to pay?

If enough dads kill their children will the states will reduce child support?

How many dads have to kill themselves before child support is illegal? We do not want people making poor choices that will end their lives,,, right?

There is no accommodation. You aren't doing anyone a favor by not banning something.

Why is this question so hard for you to answer? Why won't you admit the fundamental absurdity of your position where you prefer MORE deaths?

There is no more immoral and irresponsible position than the one you've chosen.

 

[Texashiker]

Why is this question so hard for you to answer? Why won't you admit the fundamental absurdity of your position where you prefer MORE deaths?

So when is child support going to change?

Fathers are killing themselves over child support. For some reason that is no big deal?

 

[alzan]

Aren't there some studies that show legalization increases the number of users? Not for weed, but for highly addictive drugs such as crack and heroin?

Either way, why should women get special treatment by keeping abortion legal?

She made a choice, she got knocked up, deal with it.

When men are capable of getting pregnant and carrying a fetus to viability then men can have a voice in abortion laws. Until then, they just want to control women's bodies.