Misconception about conservatives

[Mrburns2007]

I hear it often repeated that the Republicans are supposed to be about getting government out of the lives of people, this is only half true. Repbulicans believe in Economic freedom and don't like social programs like social security and welfare, etc, however they do think that government can play a role in the moral structure of society.

Liberals are the polar opposite, they want big social programs but don't want the government making any laws that have to do with morality.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
I hear it often repeated that the Republicans are supposed to be about getting government out of the lives of people, this is only half true. Repbulicans believe in Economic freedom and don't like social programs like social security and welfare, etc, however they do think that government can play a role in the moral structure of society.

Liberals are the polar opposite, they want big social programs but don't want the government making any laws that have to do with morality.

Define morality. Is it prayers in the class rooms? Banning evolutionary theory? Banning gays and lesbians from the military?

And I admit that welfare is horribly abused in this country, but getting rid of it altogether is going to hurt a lot of people who use it legitimatly as a spring board to rebound after hard times.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
I hear it often repeated that the Republicans are supposed to be about getting government out of the lives of people, this is only half true. Repbulicans believe in Economic freedom and don't like social programs like social security and welfare, etc, however they do think that government can play a role in the moral structure of society.

Liberals are the polar opposite, they want big social programs but don't want the government making any laws that have to do with morality.

Define morality. Is it prayers in the class rooms? Banning evolutionary theory? Banning gays and lesbians from the military?

But there lies the problems in morals. Why should a citizens dollars go to support something they find objectionable? When it comes to goverment spending, morals are always involved.

 

[Mrburns2007]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
I hear it often repeated that the Republicans are supposed to be about getting government out of the lives of people, this is only half true. Repbulicans believe in Economic freedom and don't like social programs like social security and welfare, etc, however they do think that government can play a role in the moral structure of society.

Liberals are the polar opposite, they want big social programs but don't want the government making any laws that have to do with morality.

Define morality. Is it prayers in the class rooms? Banning evolutionary theory? Banning gays and lesbians from the military?

And I admit that welfare is horribly abused in this country, but getting rid of it altogether is going to hurt a lot of people who use it legitimatly as a spring board to rebound after hard times.

I was just giving the text book idea of a conservative and liberal, in reality they span the spectrum. People confuse conservatives with Libertarians.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
I hear it often repeated that the Republicans are supposed to be about getting government out of the lives of people, this is only half true. Repbulicans believe in Economic freedom and don't like social programs like social security and welfare, etc, however they do think that government can play a role in the moral structure of society.

Liberals are the polar opposite, they want big social programs but don't want the government making any laws that have to do with morality.

I'd hope no one would want the government to legislate beyond its ability... after all they be us. In any event it is the document that our founders dreampt up that keeps getting in the way. The moral structure includes... Abortion, Equal Rights, Sexual Preference issues all them inferred rights that the Republicans want rid of that the Democrats want as is...
Economically speaking... It seems simple as pie to say the Conservatives support Supply Side and The Liberals support Demand Side... Plus the socioeconomic issues of the needy that I'd not want the conservative attitude addressing in any way.

 

[tw1164]

Plus the socioeconomic issues of the needy that I'd not want the conservative attitude addressing in any way.

After the welfare reform of the 90's the avg single mother is making about 21% more, and poverty has dropped 15% for single mothers.

www.manhattan-institute.org

 

[jaydee]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
I hear it often repeated that the Republicans are supposed to be about getting government out of the lives of people, this is only half true. Repbulicans believe in Economic freedom and don't like social programs like social security and welfare, etc, however they do think that government can play a role in the moral structure of society.

Liberals are the polar opposite, they want big social programs but don't want the government making any laws that have to do with morality.

Define morality. Is it prayers in the class rooms? Banning evolutionary theory? Banning gays and lesbians from the military?

And I admit that welfare is horribly abused in this country, but getting rid of it altogether is going to hurt a lot of people who use it legitimatly as a spring board to rebound after hard times.

For crying out loud, nobody ever tried banning evolution.

 

[Tiger]

For crying out loud, nobody ever tried banning evolution.

It's a popular liberal mantra. Along with starving children by ending school lunch programs, kicking the elderly out on the curb, cutting down all the trees, poisoning the water for profit, etc....
I don't know whats more embarassing. Liberals spouting this crap or that some percentage of the population believe it.
Take the hook out.

 

[SViscusi]

Originally posted by: jaydee

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
I hear it often repeated that the Republicans are supposed to be about getting government out of the lives of people, this is only half true. Repbulicans believe in Economic freedom and don't like social programs like social security and welfare, etc, however they do think that government can play a role in the moral structure of society.

Liberals are the polar opposite, they want big social programs but don't want the government making any laws that have to do with morality.

Define morality. Is it prayers in the class rooms? Banning evolutionary theory? Banning gays and lesbians from the military?

And I admit that welfare is horribly abused in this country, but getting rid of it altogether is going to hurt a lot of people who use it legitimatly as a spring board to rebound after hard times.

For crying out loud, nobody ever tried banning evolution.

Nobody?

Washington senator proposes bill to outlaw teaching of evolution here.
Arkansas considered it here.
Kansas board of education outright rejected it here

 

[jaydee]

Originally posted by: SViscusi

Originally posted by: jaydee

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
I hear it often repeated that the Republicans are supposed to be about getting government out of the lives of people, this is only half true. Repbulicans believe in Economic freedom and don't like social programs like social security and welfare, etc, however they do think that government can play a role in the moral structure of society.

Liberals are the polar opposite, they want big social programs but don't want the government making any laws that have to do with morality.

Define morality. Is it prayers in the class rooms? Banning evolutionary theory? Banning gays and lesbians from the military?

And I admit that welfare is horribly abused in this country, but getting rid of it altogether is going to hurt a lot of people who use it legitimatly as a spring board to rebound after hard times.

For crying out loud, nobody ever tried banning evolution.

Nobody?

Washington senator proposes bill to outlaw teaching of evolution here.
Arkansas considered it here.
Kansas board of education outright rejected it here

Those are bad links.
Kansas

The board's decision doesn't require the teaching of creationism, nor does it forbid the teaching of evolution. The specific curriculum is left to the local school boards -- and to the teachers who now find themselves with questions.

Arkansas

A House committee has endorsed a bill to prohibit the use of state money for educational materials that present scientific theories, including evolution, as fact.

The bill, recommended yesterday to the full House by the House State Agencies and Governmental Affairs Committee, prohibits the use of public funds by state and local governments and public schools, zoos and museums for textbooks or materials that include inaccurate information.

In addition, it requires teachers to have their students make note of what is false information and what is theory when they come across these details in their schoolbooks.

Bah, this isn't the place, sorry I brought it up.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: jaydee

Originally posted by: SViscusi

Originally posted by: jaydee

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
I hear it often repeated that the Republicans are supposed to be about getting government out of the lives of people, this is only half true. Repbulicans believe in Economic freedom and don't like social programs like social security and welfare, etc, however they do think that government can play a role in the moral structure of society.

Liberals are the polar opposite, they want big social programs but don't want the government making any laws that have to do with morality.

Define morality. Is it prayers in the class rooms? Banning evolutionary theory? Banning gays and lesbians from the military?

And I admit that welfare is horribly abused in this country, but getting rid of it altogether is going to hurt a lot of people who use it legitimatly as a spring board to rebound after hard times.

For crying out loud, nobody ever tried banning evolution.

Nobody?

Washington senator proposes bill to outlaw teaching of evolution here.
Arkansas considered it here.
Kansas board of education outright rejected it here

Those are bad links.
Kansas

The board's decision doesn't require the teaching of creationism, nor does it forbid the teaching of evolution. The specific curriculum is left to the local school boards -- and to the teachers who now find themselves with questions.

Arkansas

A House committee has endorsed a bill to prohibit the use of state money for educational materials that present scientific theories, including evolution, as fact.

The bill, recommended yesterday to the full House by the House State Agencies and Governmental Affairs Committee, prohibits the use of public funds by state and local governments and public schools, zoos and museums for textbooks or materials that include inaccurate information.

In addition, it requires teachers to have their students make note of what is false information and what is theory when they come across these details in their schoolbooks.

Bah, this isn't the place, sorry I brought it up.

$5 says that SViscusi doesn't reply to this one. Hmmmm... I wonder why...?

 

[drewshin]

heh heh, they want "evolution" theory proven before they wanted it taught in schools. they want what would probably be a 10,000 year experiment? what morons.
i understand saying that they want evolution taught to children as being only a "theory" and not fact, as there are still unanswered questions, but to be able to teach creationism as an alternative is just plain wrong (of course, creationism to these people, is the Christian "God", and other creation stories such as Greek/Norse/ etc. are clearly wrong because it doesnt pertain to their God).

i guess they read the bible and dinosaurs lived about 4000 years ago, oops i guess they were around while the egyptians were building their pyramids. and i guess neanderthals and cro-magnons lived before the start of the world. our gods! the cavemen!

 

[CaptnKirk]

This place is down the raod a peice from Fort Worth, Texas
near Glen Rose - where Dinosar tracks are preserved in a riverbed.

Creation Evidence Museum

Seems like they like to omit selective scientific facts.
Interesting to nore - their 'Replicas' and 'Links to proof' don't go anywhere.

Here's the 'Official' Creation Museum site

I've got both a bridge AND a war to sell you.

Special Question:
If Adam and Eve were the first two people -
and they had Cain and Abel -
Who or what did Cain and Able marry and mate with? Monkeys? Sheep ?
Don't make sense unless Cain killed Abel to get to the sheep.

 

[ILikeStuff]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
This place is down the raod a peice from Fort Worth, Texas
near Glen Rose - where Dinosar tracks are preserved in a riverbed.

Creation Evidence Museum

Seems like they like to omit selective scientific facts.
Interesting to nore - their 'Replicas' and 'Links to proof' don't go anywhere.

Here's the 'Official' Creation Museum site

I've got both a bridge AND a war to sell you.

Special Question:
If Adam and Eve were the first two people -
and they had Cain and Abel -
Who or what did Cain and Able marry and mate with? Monkeys? Sheep ?
Don't make sense unless Cain killed Abel to get to the sheep.

Answer: Adam and Eve had sons and daughters after Cain and Abel... Abel was murdered and did not marry, and I would assume under this construct Cain would marry one of his sisters

Genesis 5:3 When Adam had lived one hundred and thirty years he fathered a son in his own likeness, according to his image, and he named him Seth. 5:4 The lifetime of Adam, after he became the father of Seth, was eight hundred years; during this time he had other sons and daughters. 5:5 The entire lifetime of Adam was nine hundred and thirty years, and then he died.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Incestuous beginings, were they from Kentucky ?

 

[Vadatajs]

Popular conception: Conservatives fight terrorism, Liberals sell america to infidels
Truth: Conservatives use terrorism to pull the wool over the publics eyes while draining their pockets and riding their golden parachutes to safety.

The only misconception people have about conservatives is that they're honest.

 

[ReiAyanami]

Cuz we all know how honest Clinton was.

YEEHAW!

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
Cuz we all know how honest Clinton was.

YEEHAW!

All politicians lie. But I'd rather be lied to about something that has absolutely no bearing on my life than be lied to in order to restrict my freedoms.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: HJD1

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
I hear it often repeated that the Republicans are supposed to be about getting government out of the lives of people, this is only half true. Repbulicans believe in Economic freedom and don't like social programs like social security and welfare, etc, however they do think that government can play a role in the moral structure of society.

Liberals are the polar opposite, they want big social programs but don't want the government making any laws that have to do with morality.

I'd hope no one would want the government to legislate beyond its ability... after all they be us. In any event it is the document that our founders dreampt up that keeps getting in the way. The moral structure includes... Abortion, Equal Rights, Sexual Preference issues all them inferred rights that the Republicans want rid of that the Democrats want as is...
Economically speaking... It seems simple as pie to say the Conservatives support Supply Side and The Liberals support Demand Side... Plus the socioeconomic issues of the needy that I'd not want the conservative attitude addressing in any way.

I think you hit the nail on the head there. Supply vs. Demand. Producer vs. Consumer. Everyone needs to ask themself the next time they vote, which one am I?

 

[AndrewR]

Originally posted by: Vadatajs
Popular conception: Conservatives fight terrorism, Liberals sell america to infidels
Truth: Conservatives use terrorism to pull the wool over the publics eyes while draining their pockets and riding their golden parachutes to safety.

The only misconception people have about conservatives is that they're honest.

The worrisome misconception is that you actually think you know what you're talking about.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
I hear it often repeated that the Republicans are supposed to be about getting government out of the lives of people, this is only half true. Repbulicans believe in Economic freedom and don't like social programs like social security and welfare, etc, however they do think that government can play a role in the moral structure of society.

Liberals are the polar opposite, they want big social programs but don't want the government making any laws that have to do with morality.

Define morality. Is it prayers in the class rooms? Banning evolutionary theory? Banning gays and lesbians from the military?

But there lies the problems in morals. Why should a citizens dollars go to support something they find objectionable? When it comes to goverment spending, morals are always involved.

Like a war, for example?

 

[jaydee]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
I hear it often repeated that the Republicans are supposed to be about getting government out of the lives of people, this is only half true. Repbulicans believe in Economic freedom and don't like social programs like social security and welfare, etc, however they do think that government can play a role in the moral structure of society.

Liberals are the polar opposite, they want big social programs but don't want the government making any laws that have to do with morality.

Define morality. Is it prayers in the class rooms? Banning evolutionary theory? Banning gays and lesbians from the military?

But there lies the problems in morals. Why should a citizens dollars go to support something they find objectionable? When it comes to goverment spending, morals are always involved.

Like a war, for example?

The government putting money towards national defense is more important than funding abortion clinics IMHO. Some people may feel otherwise.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
I hear it often repeated that the Republicans are supposed to be about getting government out of the lives of people, this is only half true. Repbulicans believe in Economic freedom and don't like social programs like social security and welfare, etc, however they do think that government can play a role in the moral structure of society.

Liberals are the polar opposite, they want big social programs but don't want the government making any laws that have to do with morality.

Define morality. Is it prayers in the class rooms? Banning evolutionary theory? Banning gays and lesbians from the military?

And I admit that welfare is horribly abused in this country, but getting rid of it altogether is going to hurt a lot of people who use it legitimatly as a spring board to rebound after hard times.

I was just giving the text book idea of a conservative and liberal, in reality they span the spectrum. People confuse conservatives with Libertarians.

And you are confusing conservatives with Republicans. Generally speaking all Republicans(and Libertarians) are conservatives, but not all conservatives are Republicans(or Libertarians).

 

[AntaresVI]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
I hear it often repeated that the Republicans are supposed to be about getting government out of the lives of people, this is only half true. Repbulicans believe in Economic freedom and don't like social programs like social security and welfare, etc, however they do think that government can play a role in the moral structure of society.

Liberals are the polar opposite, they want big social programs but don't want the government making any laws that have to do with morality.

Define morality. Is it prayers in the class rooms? Banning evolutionary theory? Banning gays and lesbians from the military?

But there lies the problems in morals. Why should a citizens dollars go to support something they find objectionable? When it comes to goverment spending, morals are always involved.

Like a war, for example?

Last time I checked, the majority supports.

 

[Tiger]

Truth: Conservatives use terrorism to pull the wool over the publics eyes while draining their pockets and riding their golden parachutes to safety.

LOL!!
That's hilarious.
Which political party or philosophy is the one using terror tactics to get elected?
Which party/philosophy thinks the government knows best and has a political/financial stake in continuing the nanny state status quo?
Liberals don't want to help people out of poverty or off of the welfare rolls. It's not politically expedient..