MIS/IS jobs...

[5LiterMustang]

Guys I'm an MIS major. In the midst of a class that is kicking my ass. It's intro do C programming shouldn't be that hard of a class. Well our first assignment was 200 lines long. Second assignment about 200 to 250 and used array's initializing the elements based on user input etc, which from what I understand is ridiculous for a first programming class. I do plan on staying in MIS/IS so what kinda jobs/pay could be expected....also, if I change to say just get a Business Admin degree what would I do/get paid for something like that? As I said I plan on staying in MIS but I've heard pro's and con's both ways. I figured this would have a higher concentration of people who knew about MIS/IS then some of my other boards I post on.

 

[Spac3d]

What university is that? 200 lines is not that long for a program, but I can imagine how intimidating it could be for someone new to programmng

 

Don't expect to find anything more than a tech support job.

In the industry is has ALWAYS been experience over education.
The whole dot com boom in the 90's totally skewed the reality of the market.

 

[TommyVercetti]

Programming isn't the only job that MIS/IS type people do. There are also a lot of Systems Analysis, requirement gathering, project management, and technical marketing jobs available.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: SammySon
Don't expect to find anything more than a tech support job.

Gawd, I hope not. I'm in the midst of my MIS program...then again I'm only really hoping to use the MIS degree as a springboard to my SAP experience.

 

Gawd, I hope not. I'm in the midst of my MIS program...then again I'm only really hoping to use the MIS degree as a springboard to my SAP experience.

Well, don't expect much more than entry level. SAP is rather specific though, so I would not worry too much.

 

[5LiterMustang]

Originally posted by: TommyVercetti
Programming isn't the only job that MIS/IS type people do. There are also a lot of Systems Analysis, requirement gathering, project management, and technical marketing jobs available.

Thats exactly what I'm hoping to do. I love sys analysis management stuff like that. I go to the University of OKlahoma and I know that 200 lines isn't long at all for a program. But on your first program when they are asking to input cars, based on the number of doors, transmission type, color, and price and then from that determine the trim level and if it's trim level "x" determine the horsepower basedon additional info I was like uhhhh damn. I understand most programs in the real world are hundreds of thousands or millions of lines of code...keep the input coming guys...

 

[Atrail]

Saw this on AT's Banner, May Help You

 

[bleeb]

Originally posted by: Spac3d
What university is that? 200 lines is not that long for a program, but I can imagine how intimidating it could be for someone new to programmng

i once had a program where just my comments at the beginning was 200 lines long. heheh

 

[trilks]

<--- MIS grad from U of Minnesota in May. Right now my job prospects are few and far between. Everyone wants 3+ years experience. You can thank the economy being poor. Other MIS grads from a couple years ago had more job offers than they knew what to do with. Now I'll be lucky to get a help desk job.

BUT, if you are in a business school, you can take on a business admin minor or something. You'll be more likely to land a general business position, although a tech position might be more out of reach.

 

[JeffSpicoli]

Originally posted by: 5LiterMustang

Originally posted by: TommyVercetti
Programming isn't the only job that MIS/IS type people do. There are also a lot of Systems Analysis, requirement gathering, project management, and technical marketing jobs available.

Thats exactly what I'm hoping to do. I love sys analysis management stuff like that. I go to the University of OKlahoma and I know that 200 lines isn't long at all for a program. But on your first program when they are asking to input cars, based on the number of doors, transmission type, color, and price and then from that determine the trim level and if it's trim level "x" determine the horsepower basedon additional info I was like uhhhh damn. I understand most programs in the real world are hundreds of thousands or millions of lines of code...keep the input coming guys...

You can thank Bill Clinton for accepting donations from big business special interest groups just before he left office (and just after he pardoned those criminals) in return for approval of 500,000 H1B Visas to allow foreigners with IT skills to flood the job market and drive salaries down. Companies claimed there were too many openings they couldn't fill when, really, they just didn't want to have to pay market price (granted, the market was overblown by hysteria). But now, many of the H1B Visa people remain while IT professionals lose their jobs and graduates cannot find jobs. H1B people can work for 1/3 the salary of an American for a couple of years and still go back to their country and retire since the cost (and probably standard) of living is so much lower. The result is that programming has been commoditized. Computer programmer is no longer a career since so many companies will either hire foreigners and ridiculous wages or just ship their projects overseas.

Therefore, your only hope is to work on your soft skills to help you land a job. Being able to speak English is becoming a more valuable skill in the IT industry than being able to speak Java or C++. My suggestion is to look for a job as an IT Business Analyst out of college and begin studying project management. Pass the Project Managment Professional certification exam and have a career as a Project Manager. Project Management is more an art than a science, so those skills will be much harder to commoditize. The PMP cert is a scam, but it is recognized by many companies.

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: JeffSpicoli

Originally posted by: 5LiterMustang

Originally posted by: TommyVercetti
Programming isn't the only job that MIS/IS type people do. There are also a lot of Systems Analysis, requirement gathering, project management, and technical marketing jobs available.

Thats exactly what I'm hoping to do. I love sys analysis management stuff like that. I go to the University of OKlahoma and I know that 200 lines isn't long at all for a program. But on your first program when they are asking to input cars, based on the number of doors, transmission type, color, and price and then from that determine the trim level and if it's trim level "x" determine the horsepower basedon additional info I was like uhhhh damn. I understand most programs in the real world are hundreds of thousands or millions of lines of code...keep the input coming guys...

You can thank Bill Clinton for accepting donations from big business special interest groups just before he left office (and just after he pardoned those criminals) in return for approval of 500,000 H1B Visas to allow foreigners with IT skills to flood the job market and drive salaries down. Companies claimed there were too many openings they couldn't fill when, really, they just didn't want to have to pay market price (granted, the market was overblown by hysteria). But now, many of the H1B Visa people remain while IT professionals lose their jobs and graduates cannot find jobs. H1B people can work for 1/3 the salary of an American for a couple of years and still go back to their country and retire since the cost (and probably standard) of living is so much lower. The result is that programming has been commoditized. Computer programmer is no longer a career since so many companies will either hire foreigners and ridiculous wages or just ship their projects overseas.

Therefore, your only hope is to work on your soft skills to help you land a job. Being able to speak English is becoming a more valuable skill in the IT industry than being able to speak Java or C++. My suggestion is to look for a job as an IT Business Analyst out of college and begin studying project management. Pass the Project Managment Professional certification exam and have a career as a Project Manager. Project Management is more an art than a science, so those skills will be much harder to commoditize. The PMP cert is a scam, but it is recognized by many companies.

No offense (ok, offense), but you have absolutely NO IDEA what you are talking about. 🙂

I think you've spent more time reading CNN than actually working in the developer world.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Work for a University and teach other people the joys of getting a degree that doesn't require you to know anything except general information about how technology integrates with business. 😉

 

[JeffSpicoli]

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: JeffSpicoli

Originally posted by: 5LiterMustang

Originally posted by: TommyVercetti
Programming isn't the only job that MIS/IS type people do. There are also a lot of Systems Analysis, requirement gathering, project management, and technical marketing jobs available.

Thats exactly what I'm hoping to do. I love sys analysis management stuff like that. I go to the University of OKlahoma and I know that 200 lines isn't long at all for a program. But on your first program when they are asking to input cars, based on the number of doors, transmission type, color, and price and then from that determine the trim level and if it's trim level "x" determine the horsepower basedon additional info I was like uhhhh damn. I understand most programs in the real world are hundreds of thousands or millions of lines of code...keep the input coming guys...

You can thank Bill Clinton for accepting donations from big business special interest groups just before he left office (and just after he pardoned those criminals) in return for approval of 500,000 H1B Visas to allow foreigners with IT skills to flood the job market and drive salaries down. Companies claimed there were too many openings they couldn't fill when, really, they just didn't want to have to pay market price (granted, the market was overblown by hysteria). But now, many of the H1B Visa people remain while IT professionals lose their jobs and graduates cannot find jobs. H1B people can work for 1/3 the salary of an American for a couple of years and still go back to their country and retire since the cost (and probably standard) of living is so much lower. The result is that programming has been commoditized. Computer programmer is no longer a career since so many companies will either hire foreigners and ridiculous wages or just ship their projects overseas.

Therefore, your only hope is to work on your soft skills to help you land a job. Being able to speak English is becoming a more valuable skill in the IT industry than being able to speak Java or C++. My suggestion is to look for a job as an IT Business Analyst out of college and begin studying project management. Pass the Project Managment Professional certification exam and have a career as a Project Manager. Project Management is more an art than a science, so those skills will be much harder to commoditize. The PMP cert is a scam, but it is recognized by many companies.

No offense (ok, offense), but you have absolutely NO IDEA what you are talking about. 🙂

I think you've spent more time reading CNN than actually working in the developer world.

I have 14 yrs. of IT experience including 12 as an application developer. Perhaps you just can't see the big picture?