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[Minneapolis Star Tribne] Anger builds after police shoot assault suspect in Minn

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http://www.startribune.com/police-o...t-suspect-during-physical-struggle/349730171/

Jamar Clark was allegedly involved in an assault with his girlfriend and may have interfered with EMTs addressing the girlfriend's situation. It is that recounted by witnesses at the scene that he was handcuffed and lying on the street when he was shot in the head by a police officer. Police say that he was not handcuffed and was resisting at the time of the shooting. Two officers involved in the incident are on paid leave while this incident is investigated, which is standard practice.

I'm reading various accounts of the incident and if witnesses are to be believed, this was a horrible act. It is unclear what prompted the shooting if he was restrained, but the witnesses have made claims that Jamar was not in a position to fight back or even resist.

There is potentially video of the incident from a nearby building, but it's unclear if it exists and if it will be seen by the public.

Something tragic happened. I hope that it is properly investigated and that there is justice for all parties.

Other rundowns:
http://heavy.com/news/2015/11/jamar...4jamar-jamesandplymouth-james-plymouth-photo/
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/protests-erupt-black-man-shot-police-minneapolis-35221494
 
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The facts aren't in yet to determine if he was justifiably shot, but you are correct that something tragic happened: a 24 year old man assaulted his girlfriend and interfered with paramedics rendering her medical aid.
 
I'm sorry, but to put it simply: "More than meets the eye"

And by eye - I mean a bunch of stupid "eye-witnesses". Remember ye olde' "Hand up Don't Shoot!" a'la Michael Brown? Oh yeah, sure bro, he was totally putting his hands up in surrender. I mean, when I surrender, I totally charge someone. Right brah?

But go ahead and believe what they want you to believe whatever tickles your fancy. God forbid you evaluate facts that are determined AFTER THE FACT and form your own opinion. But that would be too much amirite?
 
Alright.

Well, I guess we'll have a better idea of what happened at a later point. Lots of unanswered questions and no videos.

Star Tribune said:
The protest began with about 250 people ringing the block where Clark was shot to create a “no-cops zone.” Its leaders refused to participate in a community listening session called by Hodges at the Minneapolis Urban League, also on Plymouth Avenue N.
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Well that's just dumb.
 
I tried to make it clear that events involve a lot of unknowns. For anyone who could not resist attributing some bias to my post, meh. I have come to expect nothing more.

I posted this as I was surprised to not already see a thread about it, and because it is a story with a lot of missing pieces, which grimly fascinates me.

If you need to ascribe some other agenda to me, I hope that helps you in some way, but I don't see how it furthers useful discourse on a news story that is developing.
 
jackstar7 said:
I tried to make it clear that events involve a lot of unknowns. .
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Exactly. Totally. So thanks for jumping to conclusions for all of us. Because, you know, we could never do such a thing on our own, so thanks so much for your stereotypes and bigotry based on lack of evidence.

In other news: OP creates another worthless post of B$. Color me surprised.
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
In other news: OP creates another worthless post of B$. Color me surprised.
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Hypocrite. I get you. Stay angry at all costs.

To the story, I wonder if Sam Hyde is indeed the officer involved or if bad info is just spreading as I would expect from such a charged incident.
 
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s0me0nesmind1 said:
Exactly. Totally. So thanks for jumping to conclusions for all of us. Because, you know, we could never do such a thing on our own, so thanks so much for your stereotypes and bigotry based on lack of evidence.

In other news: OP creates another worthless post of B$. Color me surprised.
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I don't know what to think about this incident yet, but dude, you really need to chill. Jackstar's OP said:

I'm reading various accounts of the incident and if witnesses are to be believed, this was a horrible act.
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You're going at him awfully hard considering he didn't endorse any particular conclusion. He only said "if" and he's right, if what these witnesses say is true, it was a horrible act.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/if?s=t
 
jackstar7 said:
http://www.startribune.com/police-o...t-suspect-during-physical-struggle/349730171/

Jamar Clark was allegedly involved in an assault with his girlfriend and may have interfered with EMTs addressing the girlfriend's situation. It is that recounted by witnesses at the scene that he was handcuffed and lying on the street when he was shot in the head by a police officer. Police say that he was not handcuffed and was resisting at the time of the shooting. Two officers involved in the incident are on paid leave while this incident is investigated, which is standard practice.

I'm reading various accounts of the incident and if witnesses are to be believed, this was a horrible act. It is unclear what prompted the shooting if he was restrained, but the witnesses have made claims that Jamar was not in a position to fight back or even resist.

There is potentially video of the incident from a nearby building, but it's unclear if it exists and if it will be seen by the public.

Something tragic happened. I hope that it is properly investigated and that there is justice for all parties.

Other rundowns:
http://heavy.com/news/2015/11/jamar...4jamar-jamesandplymouth-james-plymouth-photo/
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/protests-erupt-black-man-shot-police-minneapolis-35221494
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I find it a bit odd that all of these witnesses that were closer than a building nearby didn't take any video considering everyone and their grandmother has a cellphone capable of doing so nowadays.

Maybe some of them did take a video, and then deleted it afterward so they could lie about what happened. Or maybe it all happened too fast for them to whip out a cellphone and press a button.

I guess we will find out eventually. I really couldn't tell you what happened. I wasn't there and I haven't seen any evidence yet.
 
jackstar7 said:
http://www.startribune.com/police-o...t-suspect-during-physical-struggle/349730171/

Jamar Clark was allegedly involved in an assault with his girlfriend and may have interfered with EMTs addressing the girlfriend's situation. It is that recounted by witnesses at the scene that he was handcuffed and lying on the street when he was shot in the head by a police officer. Police say that he was not handcuffed and was resisting at the time of the shooting. Two officers involved in the incident are on paid leave while this incident is investigated, which is standard practice.

I'm reading various accounts of the incident and if witnesses are to be believed, this was a horrible act. It is unclear what prompted the shooting if he was restrained, but the witnesses have made claims that Jamar was not in a position to fight back or even resist.

There is potentially video of the incident from a nearby building, but it's unclear if it exists and if it will be seen by the public.

Something tragic happened. I hope that it is properly investigated and that there is justice for all parties.

Other rundowns:
http://heavy.com/news/2015/11/jamar...4jamar-jamesandplymouth-james-plymouth-photo/
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/protests-erupt-black-man-shot-police-minneapolis-35221494
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The michael brown incident helped remind us how worthless witnesses are a lot of the time.
 
not enough info to go by.

witness's accounts are not always accurate.

IF he was handcuffed then its bad. but until we know for sure we can't blame the cops.
 
There are so many factors, too. It being the middle of the night in basically winter in Minnesota, if he was screwing with EMT's that definitely makes him far from innocent, if the shot just wounded him, but assuming he fell to the ground that might have put him in much worse shape...

I feel like the overall lack of witness video could just be the cold... but it's been a while since I was in that climate.

I definitely feel like the organizations are jumping the gun to hold up this example. I am glad this incident is being investigated and hope something close to the truth is uncovered. Hopefully no one gets hurt in the protests.
 
A search of the Minnesota court records reveals that Clark had multiple prior felonies, including for aggravated armed robbery and terroristic threats. He spent most of the past five years in prison.

For me it's too early to form an opinion about what actually happened here, but I will say I find it improbable that the police, as one witness claimed, shot Clark "execution style" in the head when he was handcuffed and compliant. Remember, witnesses said substantially the same thing about Michael Brown, and it turned out to be a complete falsity. I could certainly imagine that they might have used excessive force (though so far I have no idea if they did), but it strikes me as very unlikely that they simply murdered Clark in cold blood. Why would they, particularly if (as is supposedly the case) there were numerous eyewitnesses? If these officers killed him unnecessarily I hope they are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, however.
 
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woolfe9998 said:
I don't know what to think about this incident yet, but dude, you really need to chill. Jackstar's OP said:

You're going at him awfully hard considering he didn't endorse any particular conclusion. He only said "if" and he's right, if what these witnesses say is true, it was a horrible act.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/if?s=t
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While true if he was being truly even-handed he could have also added "if what these witnesses say isn't true, it was an honest and honorable act by the police."

If past history is any guide, the "black lives matter" folks have again selected a terrible instance to champion and this guy is hardly the innocent victim he's being made out to be. Seems like the BLM people have bad judgement when it comes to these things.
 
Don Vito Corleone said:
A search of the Minnesota court records reveals that Clark had multiple prior felonies, including for aggravated armed robbery and terroristic threats. He spent most of the past five years in prison.

For me it's too early to form an opinion about what actually happened here, but I will say I find it improbable that the police, as one witness claimed, shot Clark "execution style" in the head when he was handcuffed and compliant. Remember, witnesses said substantially the same thing about Michael Brown, and it turned out to be a complete falsity. I could certainly imagine that they might have used excessive force (though so far I have no idea if they did), but it strikes me as very unlikely that they simply murdered Clark in cold blood. Why would they, particularly if (as is supposedly the case) there were numerous eyewitnesses? If these officers killed him unnecessarily I hope they are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, however.
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Pretty on point.
 
glenn1 said:
While true if he was being truly even-handed he could have also added "if what these witnesses say isn't true, it was an honest and honorable act by the police."

If past history is any guide, the "black lives matter" folks have again selected a terrible instance to champion and this guy is hardly the innocent victim he's being made out to be. Seems like the BLM people have bad judgement when it comes to these things.
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To be fair, even if the witnesses are not being truthful there is the possibility that this was neither an honest nor an "honorable" act by the police involved. In general I think the police have a responsibility to avoid killing members of the public if possible (you know, "to protect and to serve"). It is conceivable that the witnesses are lying or mistaken, but that despite that this was not a necessary use of force.
 
glenn1 said:
While true if he was being truly even-handed he could have also added "if what these witnesses say isn't true, it was an honest and honorable act by the police."

If past history is any guide, the "black lives matter" folks have again selected a terrible instance to champion and this guy is hardly the innocent victim he's being made out to be. Seems like the BLM people have bad judgement when it comes to these things.
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I think you're splitting hairs. s0me0nesmind1 was being awfully aggressive when, under the circumstances, the OP had qualified his remarks. Perhaps the OP has his own leaning on it, which is perfectly fine, but he clearly had not drawn any conclusions.
 
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