Minn. recount nearly done; next up, the lawsuits
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CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Yeah, it's too bad Minnesota let themselves be the laughing stock this year with their political recounts. Rules are there for a reason - follow them - don't change them or make up new ones in the middle. Meh... someday people will stand up to this sort of BS...I hope.
... as predicted, pre-shenanigans Coleman wins, then after the votes are magically "found" and devined, Franken comes out ahead. Not surprising at all.
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Go ahead Poker Guy, make the case that dimocrats are better than republirats at stealing votes in a contested election. I could ask the Florida question where undeniably , 20 20 hindsight, Gore won both the popular and electoral vote in 2000.
Yet, you PokeGuy come out with this contention that Franken is stealing votes
simply because the most scrutinized election of 2008, and the legally required
recount seems to have a tiny tiny result of favoring Franken.
Please cite where the Fraud is and prove it, or admit you are trolling
This whole process has been under a national microscope since day one.
I never said the dems were better at stealing votes or election. I also never said anything about fraud. When something is this close and they go into all the gyrations of challenges, hand counts, contesting ballots etc etc, whatever party is in control in the area (in this case the dems) will have more representation on the courts/electoral boards etc etc that are in charge of hearing the challenges, deciding what to do with contested votes etc. It's thus not surprising that Franken will end up winning even though I doubt he actually won the real vote --- and there won't be any real "fraud" per se, just shenanigans.
Unless you can prove your dumbass assertion, that is possibly the most uninformed, unintelligent post of the day.
Then now would be a really good time to stop implying it. Even better would have been not saying it in the first place, but too late for that. :Q
Meh. I hope Franken widens his lead to the point that a Coleman lawsuit would be pointless, even to the point where Franken could concede the truly contestable votes and still win...
From the numbers in the article, Franken's lead is ~250 votes, and Coleman stands to narrow that by ~150 with a successful lawsuit, meaning it's pointless...
Doesn't mean they won't try...
From the numbers in the article, Franken's lead is ~250 votes, and Coleman stands to narrow that by ~150 with a successful lawsuit, meaning it's pointless...
Doesn't mean they won't try...
You wouldn't recount a close election? I'm not sure about Minnesota, but in many states a recount is statutory with results that close.
However, I agree this election made Minnesota a laughing stock. Sending a sociopath like Michele Bachmann back to DC is the greatest electoral incompetence for decades.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Ofcourse I'd have the close count trigger like MN. But unlike MN I'd have the recount be with standard rules that can not be changed, added, or ignored.
Uhh.. Bachmann's race isn't in question. It'd be an even bigger laughing stock if they sent an moron comedian like Franken there.
They are standing up to the bullshit.
The days of Republicans being able to not have every citizen's vote count is apparently over there.
Congrats Minnesotans :thumbsup:
I don't think you have a clue about the election laws in Minnesota.
Furthermore no one is laughing; except perhaps you in your sour little fantasy world.
:roll:
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Wow, both accounts in 1 day?
And yes, I am quite up to speed on MN election law as it pertains to how things happened this time around.
Back to the standard ploy of repeating a lie often enough for it to become the truth, I see...
You fail to mention that much of the squabble in the recount process was due to the rules not being properly applied in the initial count... election boards applied criteria other than the 4 ways a vote can be rejected in their initial tallies...
Which you defended previously, even as you demanded that recount procedures avoid that rather central issue. First, sort in violation of the rules, then apply the rules to the results of that. Nifty, in a very dishonest fashion.
Minnesota a laughingstock? they're not skeered- hell, they elected Jesse Ventura as governor, and he really was a moron.
They re-elected Bachmann, as well, which doesn't make them quite the sharpest tacks in the box, anyway.
Diference is there was no recount. The Supremes were bought out by the Republicans.
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Bachmann's a certifiable nut case. I have no way of confirming it, but I'd guess Franken's IQ would leave you in the dust... AND he's far funnier than you when he wants to be. :laugh:
Well certainly not in her district; but let's be fair, she's from wing-nut county, MN (6th District)...not elected by the state as a whole.
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Optical scan voting machines make errors, the cheaper they are, the higher the rate of errors, most of the cheaper optical scan machines went to poorer and hence more democratic districts in Minnesota. Unlike most other states, Minnesota has paper ballots to back up optical scan machines, and when we compare inaccurate optical scan results with more accurate paper ballots, we have seen the very small Coleman lead turn into a very small Franken lead.
If the standards are the same in counting more accurate paper ballots, there is no bias there. Given the margin of victory was less than .5%, by Minnesota State law a recount was mandated and the gold rather than the talc standard had to be used.
At the end of the day, in any election, the one with the most votes wins.
If the standards are the same in counting more accurate paper ballots, there is no bias there. Given the margin of victory was less than .5%, by Minnesota State law a recount was mandated and the gold rather than the talc standard had to be used.
At the end of the day, in any election, the one with the most votes wins.
Hmm... you need some help in the reading department. If you would be so kind as to point out to me where I stated that the dems were better at stealing votes or elections. I neither implied nor stated that the dems were better at stealing elections or votes, but I know that won't stop you from making it up as you go along.
To be fair, PokerGuy never offered that Dems were "better" at stealing elections, he just insinuated that they were doing so in Minnesota... using "shenanigans"...
It's basic, vague and accusatory rightwing rhetorical methodology.
It's basic, vague and accusatory rightwing rhetorical methodology.
I don't understand what the complaint is about the MINN recount. They seem to have properly recounted every vote that needed recounting and they tried to make it so that every properly cast ballot was counted.
This is a bad thing? This isn't Florida 2000, this is what florida 2000 should have been.
This is a bad thing? This isn't Florida 2000, this is what florida 2000 should have been.
As Stalin said: "I consider it completely unimportant who will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this ?- who will count the votes, and how." He was absolutely right. Those who control the vote counting process (in this case democrats) will control the outcome of a super tight election, and it will be done within the rules of the game. This isn't a "the dems always steal elections" kind of statement, it's simply how the game works. If this was a heavily repub area, this election would have gone to Coleman.
Flame on.
That might be true in a dictatorship, but this is the United States. The entire process has been open to the public. If the recount board had given even one of Coleman's votes to Franken there would public outcry. If you can provide even the tiniest bit of evidence of corruption I'll certainly listen to you, but for now all you can do is speculate and throw in random quotes in a poor attempt to give your claims some validity.
The truth of the matter is that the original tally wasn't 100% correct because nobody ever expects elections to come down to 100, 1000, or even 10000 votes.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Again, I have no problem with the rules being followed as they were when the ballots are cast. It's when the rules change, are created, or are ignored AFTER the ballots are cast. In this case MN did poorly on many fronts. Unsecured ballots, changing "rules", and in one case using election night results instead of the hand recount results. It's a sham no matter who is eventually seated. So no, your assesment of my position is false(big surprise there) as you make your usual ASSumptions and then twist things into whatever premise you want.
In this case, the whole thing was a mess and it was highlighted by the fact that there was a recount due to the closeness of the race. This is one of the big reasons people like me want IDs checked and other validations in place at the time the ballot is case(or before ballots are even handed out) - especially voter registration.
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