Minister admits Kyoto targets unrealistic

[charrison]

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Environmentalists are calling on the federal cabinet to stick with its original Kyoto plan and not relax emissions-cutting targets for large industrial polluters as proposed by the Department of Natural Resources.

But Natural Resources Minister John Efford says there is no way large industrial emitters can achieve the original target ? a 55-megatonne cut in annual emissions from business-as-usual projections for 2010.

Efford hinted that a 37-megatonne cut might be attainable, and people working on the file say that could become the new target. The revised figure would amount to 10 per cent of emissions from large sources.

"We've agreed on one thing ? that 55 megatonnes is a number that's not realistic," Efford told reporters in Edmonton.

"If the 55 megatonnes cannot be accomplished . . . why don't we talk about best practices? Why don't we accomplish 37 megatonnes or whatever megatonnes?

 

[Stunt]

You know why it's unattainable right?
cus we are using tons of energy extracting oil to send over the border to you guys.
oil extraction is very energy consuming. At least we are using cogen plants to get the most efficient energy.

also...the US is the only country in the 1st world not to sign on to the treaty. At least we are implementing policies and trying to develop plans.
Most of our energy goes into suppling the US with raw materials and energy.
can't harp on us for that

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Stunt
You know why it's unattainable right?
cus we are using tons of energy extracting oil to send over the border to you guys.
oil extraction is very energy consuming. At least we are using cogen plants to get the most efficient energy.

also...the US is the only country in the 1st world not to sign on to the treaty. At least we are implementing policies and trying to develop plans.
Most of our energy goes into suppling the US with raw materials and energy.
can't harp on us for that

So charge us higher rates.....

Meanwhile the US is going about reducing emisssions as well...

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Stunt
You know why it's unattainable right?
cus we are using tons of energy extracting oil to send over the border to you guys.
oil extraction is very energy consuming. At least we are using cogen plants to get the most efficient energy.

also...the US is the only country in the 1st world not to sign on to the treaty. At least we are implementing policies and trying to develop plans.
Most of our energy goes into suppling the US with raw materials and energy.
can't harp on us for that

So charge us higher rates.....

Meanwhile the US is going about reducing emisssions as well...

You serious?...you want higher rates...
Are you stupid?

Actually...we could get even more surplus...pay off our debt before im 35
that'd be pretty damn sweet!...hows the 7.6trillion debt feeling (cheap shot)

 

[yllus]

Best practices are okay with me. As much as I love the outdoors, I really rather not be living in them permanently due to a lack of jobs in my country.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Stunt
You know why it's unattainable right?
cus we are using tons of energy extracting oil to send over the border to you guys.
oil extraction is very energy consuming. At least we are using cogen plants to get the most efficient energy.

also...the US is the only country in the 1st world not to sign on to the treaty. At least we are implementing policies and trying to develop plans.
Most of our energy goes into suppling the US with raw materials and energy.
can't harp on us for that

This is kind of funny. Are you trying to apply some sort of blame to the US for Canada apparently not being able to meet its own goals under the Kyoto Treaty?

Anyways, this is not a surprise. Last I read most countries were not expected to meet their deadlines.

Meanwhile the US is going about reducing emisssions as well...

Do you have any idea how much the US is reducing its emissions, especially in relation to other countries?

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: yllus
Best practices are okay with me. As much as I love the outdoors, I really rather not be living in them permanently due to a lack of jobs in my country.

I'm taking a pretty interesting class...looking at the effects of climate change...
It will effect you...not just the air and outdoors...but the agriculture industry will get messed up pretty bad.
will not do much justice for our food supplies.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Stunt
You know why it's unattainable right?
cus we are using tons of energy extracting oil to send over the border to you guys.
oil extraction is very energy consuming. At least we are using cogen plants to get the most efficient energy.

also...the US is the only country in the 1st world not to sign on to the treaty. At least we are implementing policies and trying to develop plans.
Most of our energy goes into suppling the US with raw materials and energy.
can't harp on us for that

I don't think that Australia has ratified it. There might be other first world countries, too.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Stunt
You know why it's unattainable right?
cus we are using tons of energy extracting oil to send over the border to you guys.
oil extraction is very energy consuming. At least we are using cogen plants to get the most efficient energy.

also...the US is the only country in the 1st world not to sign on to the treaty. At least we are implementing policies and trying to develop plans.
Most of our energy goes into suppling the US with raw materials and energy.
can't harp on us for that

So charge us higher rates.....

Meanwhile the US is going about reducing emisssions as well...

You serious?...you want higher rates...
Are you stupid?

Actually...we could get even more surplus...pay off our debt before im 35
that'd be pretty damn sweet!...hows the 7.6trillion debt feeling (cheap shot)

Well if we are the reason for your failure, raise the rates and fix the problem. Simple problem and solution.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Stunt
You know why it's unattainable right?
cus we are using tons of energy extracting oil to send over the border to you guys.
oil extraction is very energy consuming. At least we are using cogen plants to get the most efficient energy.

also...the US is the only country in the 1st world not to sign on to the treaty. At least we are implementing policies and trying to develop plans.
Most of our energy goes into suppling the US with raw materials and energy.
can't harp on us for that

I don't think that Australia has ratified it. There might be other first world countries, too.

There are several than have not joined.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
This is kind of funny. Are you trying to apply some sort of blame to the US for Canada apparently not being able to meet its own goals under the Kyoto Treaty?

Anyways, this is not a surprise. Last I read most countries were not expected to meet their deadlines.

Yeah most are not...
a few european countries go above and beyond kyoto...and are looking at further reductions.

I'm saying that Canada's polution far exceeds our use. Kyoto is based on population, landmass etc.
Both work against Canada...we are pumping out far more than we need. We do this for the US. Yes we both benifit greatly from this. And i'd like to see key areas improved such that kyoto is attempted.

The goals are a bit lofty for a growing economy...but worth our efforts.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: yllus
Best practices are okay with me. As much as I love the outdoors, I really rather not be living in them permanently due to a lack of jobs in my country.

I'm taking a pretty interesting class...looking at the effects of climate change...
It will effect you...not just the air and outdoors...but the agriculture industry will get messed up pretty bad.
will not do much justice for our food supplies.

I am still waiting for that global cooling that was supposed to happen.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I don't think that Australia has ratified it. There might be other first world countries, too.

Unfortunate as they were one of the few countries allowed to increase above 1990 levels.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I don't think that Australia has ratified it. There might be other first world countries, too.

Unfortunate as they were one of the few countries allowed to increase above 1990 levels.

I think it's a fortunate thing

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: yllus
Best practices are okay with me. As much as I love the outdoors, I really rather not be living in them permanently due to a lack of jobs in my country.

I'm taking a pretty interesting class...looking at the effects of climate change...
It will effect you...not just the air and outdoors...but the agriculture industry will get messed up pretty bad.
will not do much justice for our food supplies.

I am still waiting for that global cooling that was supposed to happen.

You been watching too much hollywood.

Scientists are not sure of the exact climate effects just that it creates instability...like agriculture, like weather currents etc.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
This is kind of funny. Are you trying to apply some sort of blame to the US for Canada apparently not being able to meet its own goals under the Kyoto Treaty?

Anyways, this is not a surprise. Last I read most countries were not expected to meet their deadlines.

Yeah most are not...
a few european countries go above and beyond kyoto...and are looking at further reductions.

I'm saying that Canada's polution far exceeds our use. Kyoto is based on population, landmass etc.
Both work against Canada...we are pumping out far more than we need. We do this for the US. Yes we both benifit greatly from this. And i'd like to see key areas improved such that kyoto is attempted.

The goals are a bit lofty for a growing economy...but worth our efforts.

OH that is just crap. We are not the cause for your all of your pollution problems.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Originally posted by: Stunt
You know why it's unattainable right?
cus we are using tons of energy extracting oil to send over the border to you guys.
oil extraction is very energy consuming. At least we are using cogen plants to get the most efficient energy.

also...the US is the only country in the 1st world not to sign on to the treaty. At least we are implementing policies and trying to develop plans.
Most of our energy goes into suppling the US with raw materials and energy.
can't harp on us for that

That is quite possibly the stupidest thing I have ever read.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Stunt
I'm saying that Canada's polution far exceeds our use. Kyoto is based on population, landmass etc.
Both work against Canada...we are pumping out far more than we need. We do this for the US. Yes we both benifit greatly from this. And i'd like to see key areas improved such that kyoto is attempted.

Again, any blame should be placed on Canada if this situation comes to happen. This attempted placement of blame upon the United States for Canada's own failures is just ridiculous.

Canada could attempt to reduce emissions in other sectors to meet its own expectations.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I don't think that Australia has ratified it. There might be other first world countries, too.

Unfortunate as they were one of the few countries allowed to increase above 1990 levels.

I think it's a fortunate thing

You like CO2 emmisions spiraling out of control...interesting.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
This is kind of funny. Are you trying to apply some sort of blame to the US for Canada apparently not being able to meet its own goals under the Kyoto Treaty?

Anyways, this is not a surprise. Last I read most countries were not expected to meet their deadlines.

Yeah most are not...
a few european countries go above and beyond kyoto...and are looking at further reductions.

I'm saying that Canada's polution far exceeds our use. Kyoto is based on population, landmass etc.
Both work against Canada...we are pumping out far more than we need. We do this for the US. Yes we both benifit greatly from this. And i'd like to see key areas improved such that kyoto is attempted.

The goals are a bit lofty for a growing economy...but worth our efforts.

OH that is just crap. We are not the cause for your all of your pollution problems.

Don't worry, he's Canadian. He can't help it!

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Stunt
You know why it's unattainable right?
cus we are using tons of energy extracting oil to send over the border to you guys.
oil extraction is very energy consuming. At least we are using cogen plants to get the most efficient energy.

also...the US is the only country in the 1st world not to sign on to the treaty. At least we are implementing policies and trying to develop plans.
Most of our energy goes into suppling the US with raw materials and energy.
can't harp on us for that

So charge us higher rates.....

Meanwhile the US is going about reducing emisssions as well...

You serious?...you want higher rates...
Are you stupid?

Actually...we could get even more surplus...pay off our debt before im 35
that'd be pretty damn sweet!...hows the 7.6trillion debt feeling (cheap shot)

Well if we are the reason for your failure, raise the rates and fix the problem. Simple problem and solution.

Yep! You raise the rates, we stop buying - no problem!

 

[Stunt]

OMG...im not going to take the one lone position on this...
wtf happened to left wing forum bias
lol jk

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Stunt
OMG...im not going to take the one lone position on this...
wtf happened to left wing forum bias
lol jk

Maybe your argument was just idiotic.

'Waaah mommy, big bad america is to blame for canada's own problems, not canada!'

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Originally posted by: Stunt
OMG...im not going to take the one lone position on this...
wtf happened to left wing forum bias
lol jk

You are a leftist Canadian... and you're completely wrong.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I don't think that Australia has ratified it. There might be other first world countries, too.

Unfortunate as they were one of the few countries allowed to increase above 1990 levels.

I think it's a fortunate thing

You like CO2 emmisions spiraling out of control...interesting.

Considering the environuts have made it damn near impossible to build nuke plaints, there is little other option for supplying power.