Question Mining... is like a drug addiction... euphoria... and dispair...

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VirtualLarry

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It's kind of like trying (*I imagine, have never done it) a "hard drug" for the first time.

You see your video card, your CPU (less so), etc., MAKING MONEY, just RUNNING. It's kind of crazy, when you stop to think about it.

I'm getting paid, for my computer time, remunerated, for investing in computer hardware, and effectively (when using Nicehash) renting it out.

Kind of like, AirBnB for PCs and gaming rigs.

Only, not quite as risky, but on the whole, also quite profitable.

The thing about it too, is, once you learn how, you realize... it SCALES!

Then, you want MORE, and MORE, and MORE. More Satoshi's, which means MORE GPUs, MORE CPUs, MORE RIGS, soon, you've got an entire neighborhood power sub-station dedicated to your premesis.

You start checking on your rigs, making sure that they're running, their hashrates are up to snuff, the right algos, checking your earnings, every hour, every half-hour, when and where does it end?

In some ways, it's an addiction, much like "Mobile Gaming". In another way, it's a sickness, a sort of twisted version of the childhood "Lemonade Stand", turned hard-core franchise opportunity, raw pure capitalism in it's finest, being able to buy machines that essentially, print money out of "thin air" (algorithms).

On the other hand, it's a very democratizing system, a sort of "power to the people" transaction-processing system, where, instead of a super-computer center run by Visa or Mastercard, it's YOU, the average Joe Sixpack down the street, using YOUR computer, as part of their grand decentralized transaction-processing network for crypto-currency, making a difference, participating in technology, and most importantly, PROFITING FROM IT.

And then there are the highs, when BTC and the altcoin of the day/month/year (ETH) hitting highs as well. EUPHORIA! MAKING *BIG BUCKS*.

And then there are the lows, which even though they are a "low", seem to reach higher and higher in the sky always anyways, so they're not as bad as the last time. But when profitability tanks, sometimes there is even a sell-off of mining gear, especially GPUs. ("Raining GPUs" - for gamers.)

And then the glorious cycle repeats again! And again! And again!

And the whole rest of the world gets to experience the boom/bust cycles of crypto-currency, and collectively, gamers feel the pain of miners too, not able to "get GPUs".


Edit: My post was in part inspired by this Reddit:

Edit: This one kind of captures "the despair" aspect:

Edit: Here's an expression of "The addiction" in a meme pic:

Edit: Actually, it's even more like an addiction. Due to increasing network difficulty levels, and block reward halvings (doesn't apply to ETH), the more time progresses, and the more hashrate gets added to the network, then your "slice of the pie" (your revenue "high") gets less and less, over time, UNLESS, you "increase your dose", by buying MORE AND MORE hashrate, via more and more GPUs, and/or trading them in for newer, more powerful (higher hashrate) GPUs.
 
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VirtualLarry

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If anything happened to my system I'd be out a lot more time and money, probably more than I've made mining in 6 months.
Yes, there definitely IS "some" risk to mining, whether it be from malware in the mining software, to a bad or failed GPU overclock, that could take lifespan away or kill your GPU or CPU (if CPU mining). Pre-mature failure is always an issue with mining, like it or not.
 

killster1

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Idk I think mining is kinda dumb. Started doing eth on my 3090 and the rate at which I earn money does not feel significant, even though on a monthly timescale it's hundreds of dollars.

Doesn't help that the eth numbers are so small. Mine for 24h and get 0.01 eth. Coooool...

Then there's the worries about wear on the hw and the environmental impact. I will stop once I earn enough that my 3090 will have "cost" me a less embarrassing figure.
i agree with you, i think anyone that mines and checks on it every hour should just get a job and try some real drugs ;) I know winning it big in the casino gives you a nice feeling but when i was mining i couldnt use the computer for a single thing other than mining. of course i mined back in 2016, still sitting on my half of one bitcoin that i managed to save (spent so much on newegg and on this forum buying things heh)

I guess if you are disabled at home with nothing else to do and cheap power it sounds like a fun hobby as long as you can afford to lose every penny invested.

so virtual larry can you use the computer for ANYTHING else? like websurfing? or is it being taxed to much?
 

GodisanAtheist

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Alright folks... I downloaded NiceHash to run on my 980Ti for laughs and giggles. If you can't beat em, join em.

Lets see what kind of Hash rate this thing pulls down...

Edit: Aaaaaaaannnnnndddddd it doesn't even work. Looks like I have to do some tweaking of the Virtual Memory Pool Size and download the few remaining compatible plug ins and even then I'm looking at tops $1 in daily profitability... I'll money with it later and see what's what.
 

IntelUser2000

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so virtual larry can you use the computer for ANYTHING else? like websurfing? or is it being taxed to much?

I used to play Starcraft II on the Core i3's integrated HD 630 graphics while the 3x RX470/570 cards were happily mining Ethereum in the background. On Ethereum mining, it has almost no performance impact.

Yes, there definitely IS "some" risk to mining, whether it be from malware in the mining software, to a bad or failed GPU overclock, that could take lifespan away or kill your GPU or CPU (if CPU mining). Pre-mature failure is always an issue with mining, like it or not.

If you take care of your GPU it can last mining and then some.

You can get the Polaris 10 GPUs to get 32MH/s and even dual mine on top of that, but that'll kill the cards.

I ran them at ~28MH/s and at under 65C plus dusted them every 4-6 months. They are still in very good condition.


Saying crypto mining destroys the planet is a form of a hyperbole. You've got way worse things that can be addressed - a sort of a low hanging fruit. For example, the pitiful few W you save on LED bulbs will result in untold amounts of difficult to recycle garbage in a dozen years or so. Lithium/Cadmium/Copper mining for "green" electric cars physically destroy the environment. The same is for unreliable solar/wind energy.

Ultimately if we all conserve and taper our greed and wants by a bit it'll do 10x more than any other "green" initiatives will help.
 
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Roger Wilco

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This may be a very stupid question.

Is it more advantageous to mine when BTC and Ether prices are lower? Do you earn more Satoshi when Ether and BTC are down?

I'm pretty excited about this correction—seems like good time to buy more and HODL.
 

ultimatebob

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This may be a very stupid question.

Is it more advantageous to mine when BTC and Ether prices are lower? Do you earn more Satoshi when Ether and BTC are down?

I'm pretty excited about this correction—seems like good time to buy more and HODL.

If fewer people mine, the mining difficulty goes down, and you'll eventually get a better cut of the earnings. That takes awhile, though.
 

VirtualLarry

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so virtual larry can you use the computer for ANYTHING else? like websurfing? or is it being taxed to much?
My PC is basically perfectly responsive. Two things though:

My main PC, has an RX 5700XT as primary, and an RX 5700 as secondary. My CPU is an Ryzen R5 3600.

I'm mining on all three (both GPUs + CPU).

HOWEVER, I also have Process Lasso configured, to always set Firefox.exe as "AboveNormal" priority. So what I do most (web browsing), is not slowed down by my mining. I have an Intel 660p 1TB NVMe SSD too.

The only thing that sometimes causes an issue, is if I'm watching YT, and full-screen a video and it changes to 4K. For some reason, sometimes 4K videos will "pause" suddenly while mining, although I did that yesterday, and there were no pauses. (I recently upgraded to the 21.3.1 driver set.)
 
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fleshconsumed

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Back in the day (2013-2016) mining did cause fairly big hit to usability, as in computer was noticeably slower to respond. That has not been the case for me lately though. I mine on 3070 when not gaming and there is very minimal impact on day-to-day usability. The biggest thing I've noticed is that if I want to watch a video, it takes an extra second to load, but that's an inconvenience I'm more than willing to tolerate in an exchange for $100-150 per month that 3070 currently makes. And obviously I have to shut down the miner when I'm gaming.
 

Muadib

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Thinking about trying it with my 3090FE but eh... 10 bucks a day isn't really worth the trouble to me. If anything happened to my system I'd be out a lot more time and money, probably more than I've made mining in 6 months.
If you change your mind, be sure and download HWinfo64, and look at the memory junction temperature on your 3090FE. I'm running Nicehash with my 3090FE, and the card will throttle if you don't watch that temp.
 

aleader

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It can be fun, and profitable, but like all things, should be in moderation. Be sure to take care of yourself, Larry. And you can turn off one of the miners once in a while to play some games on a card.

This is my 'issue'. I don't have the time right now anyways as I'm working, raising teens, and finishing another degree to take advantage of university zoom classes, but I'll be done classes right away here and don't know how I'm going to bring myself to shut my 3070 down to play any games. Gaming 'costs money'... ;)
 

aleader

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Back in the day (2013-2016) mining did cause fairly big hit to usability, as in computer was noticeably slower to respond. That has not been the case for me lately though. I mine on 3070 when not gaming and there is very minimal impact on day-to-day usability. The biggest thing I've noticed is that if I want to watch a video, it takes an extra second to load, but that's an inconvenience I'm more than willing to tolerate in an exchange for $100-150 per month that 3070 currently makes. And obviously I have to shut down the miner when I'm gaming.

You will notice a significant drop in hashrate when watching youtube or doing anything video intensive. I've noticed even some websites will drop the hashrate quite a bit. The PC is perfectly usable and stable though. I listen to Spotify when working out and even that will knock about 1MH/s off.
 

Leeea

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so virtual larry can you use the computer for ANYTHING else? like websurfing? or is it being taxed to much?
I am mining with a 6900 and vega56 paired with an ancient 4790k cpu. There is no effect on non-gaming activities. I use the 6900 for my primary monitor.

In gaming, I have to disable the miner on the card I am using to game. The 2nd card mines all the time. The miner seems to use very little CPU or main memory bandwidth.
 
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fleshconsumed

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You will notice a significant drop in hashrate when watching youtube or doing anything video intensive. I've noticed even some websites will drop the hashrate quite a bit. The PC is perfectly usable and stable though. I listen to Spotify when working out and even that will knock about 1MH/s off.
Yeah, having more than one monitor knocks off about 10Mhs from the card, watching mkv video drops another 7-9Mhs. Eh, it is what it is. I keep my PC on 24/7 anyway, might as well mine so long as it's usable which it is.
 

killster1

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I am mining with a 6900 and vega56 paired with an ancient 4790k cpu. There is no effect on non-gaming activities. I use the 6900 for my primary monitor.

In gaming, I have to disable the miner on the card I am using to game. The 2nd card mines all the time. The miner seems to use very little CPU or main memory bandwidth.
sounds great, i wonder what cpu i was using at the time i mined mine, it seemed like the cpu was 100% ALWAYS when mining, had to have been 2016 or around there. prob had a 2500k ;) also i mined for lite coin if that made a diff.
 

Leeea

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sounds great, i wonder what cpu i was using at the time i mined mine, it seemed like the cpu was 100% ALWAYS when mining, had to have been 2016 or around there. prob had a 2500k ;) also i mined for lite coin if that made a diff.
It might be the GPU rather then the CPU.

AMD GPUs use considerably less CPU to run. I suspect this is doubly so with compute tasks.
 
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