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Mine "Arrived;" Yours "Arrived:" Buth There's Another Entrant

There has been an intense discussion under way here for a good part of a week or more, concerning "how to live the good life" with the "good -- or 'best' -- heatpipe cooler."

[See JediYoda's thread: The Zalman 9500 Arrived! ]

A couple months ago -- maybe earlier -- I posted notes that there were new developments in the marketplace competing with ThermalRight's "XP" entries. I said that we needed to find reviews on those other items, and I mentioned a new line of coolers from Asetek: "The Vapochill Micro" line that includes three models of varying effectiveness.

Now, Maximum PC Magazine -- "Just 'Arrived' Today" -- has published a small review of the Vapochill Micro:

"Asetek's Vapochill line of CPU cooling systems has been limited to complicated phase-change water-cooling kits, which require compressors, flux capacitors, and so forth. With the Vapochill Micro, the company has ventured bravely into the air-cooling, um, waters. Though we were initially skeptical, the Micro's compressor-less phase-change performance is every bit as impressive as that of its water-cooling siblings."

Josh Norem of Maximum PC goes on to explain the unit's "huge evaporation chamber," the three "fat" copper heat pipes, the refrigerant, and other features.

Here, again, is where Maximum PC falls down as if it were a bad habit. In the benchmark test, they don't provide enough information to allow us a calculation of the unit's thermal resistance. In other words, they barely mention that they tested both the "UltraQuiet" and "Extreme Performance" models on an AMD system, but they don't say anything about the particular model of AMD processor used. That information would allow us to look up the "Maximum Power" of the processor in Watts on AMD's web-site, and take the benchmark results a step towards an objective comparison with other units we've discussed, such as the CNPS-9500 (TR approx. = 0.158 C/W), or the ThermalRight SI-120 (TR = 0.14 C/W), or the ThermalRight XP-120 (TR = 0.167) -- when the fan is set on "high" -- perhaps around 2,900 rpm.

Such a comparison may not seem useful to the "silence freaks," but it would show what the maximum load processor-temperature would be with sufficient CFM.

Here are the results for the VapoChill Micro "UltraQuiet" and "Extreme Performance:"

Vapochill Micro UltraQuiet: Idle (C) = 38; Load (C) = 54
Vapochill Micro Extreme Performance: Idle (C) = 33; Load (C) = 41

Whichever AMD processor was used in the bench-test, its "stock cooler" showed Idle of 36C and Load of 52C under what we would only assume are controlled room ambients (although the differences between idle and load would still be of interest under varying room temperatures.) It might be possible to identify the processor if one could find the performance specs of the stock cooler which match -- in the difference between idle and load -- those shown here.

Otherwise, the only way we can assess this cooler according to that particular criterion is to determine a range of thermal resistances based on a range of possible AMD processors used in the test. An 8C degree difference between idle and load, is "not bad." How "good" it is depends on which processor was used, and what thermal leakage occurred, or what the Maximum Power thermal leakage spec was for that particular processor.

For the benefit of JediYoda and others -- GrimlyKindo also confessed to me that he was a "silence freak" -- Maximum PC noted that Asetek had given much attention to the quality of the heatpipes, the choice of coolant and some other factors. They bundle the units with their own choice of fans -- a practice similar to that of Zalman, although these fans appear to be standard 92mm units that can be replaced by a Panaflo or other model. Reviewer Norem observed that in other aspects, such as the construction of the shroud that holds the fan and the base plate that attaches to the CPU socket, Asetek fell down on quality and choice of materials.

Maximum PC gave these models (again, there are three) a "KICK-ASS '9'" out of 10 award.

I'm just not thoroughly satisfied or trusting of Maximum PC Magazine's reviews.

Frankly, in making a "consumer-reports"-type of presentation, I think I could do a better job. Or -- I could assist in an editorial and managerial capacity toward that end. But -- hey -- that's why I retired -- fed up with the illusory BS. I'll consider their offer, nevertheless, if they make one . . . . and you know, Anandtech-forum friends -- "they're watching . . . "
 
I have been following the VapoChill for quite a while now!!

I have been wondering where it would fit into the scheme of things!!

My hunch was that it might possibly be in the top 3.....

Early reviews of the VapoChill albeit limited were glowing and very complimentary!

I would tend to agree with the need for more adequate information in order to do a proper review....

Yet with that said--
I have always been able to add 1+1 together inorder to get 3....thats not rocket science...

I have always used reviews as a help to make up my mind...
I never ever use reviews for absolute 100% facts with no margin for error!!

I would say I agree with what BonzaiDuck posted!!

To many questions not answered.... 🙂

have a nice day!! 🙂






 
Thanks. You have the more adventuresome spirit -- wanting to invest the money to test two coolers before you decide which one.

We should open a surplus PC parts outlet -- I have two PIPE101 heatpipe coolers which have gone back in the storage box -- I've probably been too lazy to see what they would bring on EBay.

Without resolution to the Asetek Vapochill Micro coolers, I'll be wondering "what if" until the information is finally available.

What the article did say was that these coolers also perform in a range overlapping water-cooling. So the issue is -- first of all -- "Do they really? Really?" and second -- "By how much?"
 
Yes!!! all good questions!!

FYI-- I manged to talk with a techie at the Zalman office in the California earlier today...

He told me that they were concerned about the noise issue but they are satisfied with the temps.

He also told me there is talk of redesigning the fan to make it quieter!!

Something he told me that almost blew me away was that Zalman was going to use an even smaller fan that what they ended up using!!

OK...getting back to the VaporChill......
Alot of questions that are unanswered.
maybe only time will tell!!🙂
 
Something he told me that almost blew me away was that Zalman was going to use an even smaller fan that what they ended up using!!

That almost doesn't make sense, although with enough of their products, they seem to know what they're doing.

I just finished bringing up my upgraded server box. I think I posted in another thread somewhere back among those which fell into oblivion -- that I had modded a 1996 Gateway 2K full-tower. I posted some pictures.

One of the drive cages just sits behind some vent holes. Since the box contains a two-drive RAID0 (boot) and a three-drive RAID5 (and "dynamic" volume), I wanted the two drives in that particular cage cooled by something more than just convection. I had an old 70mm ThermalTake fan from one of their earlier coolers; an 80mm Zalman OP_1 seemed a tad too big.

A day or so later, while web-window-shopping (because that's what we do . . ) -- I stumbled onto a YS Tech tip-magnetic fan, 12V, running on less than .09A. The advantage of this type of fan, of course, is the smaller hub size, meaning more airflow. It's also a pretty quiet little sucker.

So it's possible they would consider what seems to defy logic. But as to heatpipe coolers, the trend has been from smaller to larger for the two obvious reasons. Come to think of it, the Maximum PC review of the Asetek coolers doesn't mention the fan-size, either. It looks like 120mm, however, from the picture and in proportion to the size of the heatsink base, but I could also be wrong.
 
falls down as if it were a bad habit.
what does that mean 😛

i saw in a review, can't remember who's, that the vapochill was terrible to install and in fact couldn't be recommended for vertical mount cases?

correct me if i'm wrong... (i know someone will)
 
Originally posted by: rise4310
falls down as if it were a bad habit.
what does that mean 😛

i saw in a review, can't remember who's, that the vapochill was terrible to install and in fact couldn't be recommended for vertical mount cases?

correct me if i'm wrong... (i know someone will)

This review as well as several others say nothing about any installation problems...

http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.cfm?page=2&articleid=726&cid=9

🙂

WaterChill Xtreme kit gets a 100% Kickass Award Sep 9, 2005

"The asetek Xtreme WaterChill Water Cooling Kit has quality components that are easy to install. With all 1/2" tubing and fittings, a large radiator with 2 120mm fans, and an excellent pump it performs extremely well. This is a complete solution for the serious overclocker. It?s easily one of the best water cooling kits on the planet!"

Efficient and simple VapoChill® Micro", says PC World Norway Sep 8, 2005

"All in all we are truly satisfied with this cooler ? the noise level is very low [?] The installation of the cooler in our system was really easy e.g. you don?t have to take out the motherboard of the PC. The VapoChill Micro Ultra Low Noise delivers good cooling abilities.

VapoChill Micro? Extreme is a top-notch heatsink", says overclockers.com Sep 7, 2005

"asetek has opened the gates on competitive thermosyphon CPU heatsinks with an excellent product. The VapoChill Micro? Extreme is a top-notch heatsink which can handle high wattage CPUs, is very easy to mount, not heavy and looks great."

etc,,,etc,,,etc,,,,

 
well which one were you thinking of....

Show me a link.....

Thats the only Vapor chill I am familiar with!

Thats the one we were talking about!!🙂
 
Originally posted by: rise4310
why do you want a link if its not the one you're talking about 😕

Okay---thats cool!!
You made a statement I went out and found reviews of the vaporchill...

yet you state it`s the wrong Vaporchill....

I seriously doubt that.....maybe you just got a different HSF mixed up weith the VaporChill...😛



 
Don't know if you folks remember, but there were some scandals in the late 1950s in which the word "payola" arose.

That's why I have to give reviews that say "opened the gates on competitive thermosyphon CPU heatsinks" my Kick-Ass 10 "Grain-o-Salt" Award. If they have numbers, they sometimes post the numbers selectively. In this, it looks more like a sales pitch than a review.

But some reviewers have a certain scientific integrity. And the reviewers who choose their data selectively probably, at least, use 'good' numbers. But our doubts and desire for clarity lead us to seek additional sources of information.
 
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: rise4310
why do you want a link if its not the one you're talking about 😕

Okay---thats cool!!
You made a statement I went out and found reviews of the vaporchill...

yet you state it`s the wrong Vaporchill....

I seriously doubt that.....maybe you just got a different HSF mixed up weith the VaporChill...😛
no, i said its not the one, not that its the wrong vapo chill. i dunno which hsf i was thinking of.
 
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