Milwaukee Police/Fire Unions Make Demands

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http://www.wisn.com/politics/27114162/detail.html

MILWAUKEE -- Mayor Tom Barrett is fighting with the Milwaukee police and fire unions about their contracts as he balances the city's budget.

“Their demands are so outlandish. We think the public should know about them,” Barrett said.

Barrett sent out a letter asking for the members of the Milwaukee Professional Firefighters Association to make pension and health care concessions. The Milwaukee Police Association, on the other hand, is advertising the concessions it's willing to make, and the negotiations have gone from the bargaining table to the public square.

“(We're) just absolutely shocked that he would send a letter out to the world rather than simply sending it to me,” said Michael Crivello, of the MPA.

“We do not negotiate through the media,” said Dave Seager, of the MPFFA.

The police union said it's willing to freeze wages and let new hires pay more pension costs. But Barrett said the union has other costly demands.

“They want to take away the power of the police chief to designate how many positions are there, for example, (for) detectives,” Barrett said.

The firefighters union, meanwhile, wouldn't discuss details of its contract offer.

“For the firefighters, they're looking for double digit increase in pay and benefits over the next several years, at a time when most city workers are going to be taking fewer dollars home. I think that's outlandish,” Barrett said.

The mayor said union firefighters are also asking for a 3 percent across the board pay increase, in addition to creating new payments of $15,000 for employees with 30 years of service, taking away the ability of managers to reschedule firefighters based on need and providing health insurance for domestic partners.

Barrett said he is not happy that the unions that supported Gov. Scott Walker get a pass in his budget repair bill, making the mayor's budget tougher to repair.

“Two-thirds of my wages and salaries are for public safety and yet, the governor does not touch that,” Barrett said.

This is why police/fire unions should've been included in Walker's collective-bargaining proposal.
 

thobel

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I think it was a tactical decision he needed the Police to handle the other Unions Protesting. Things may have been different if Police had been also calling out sick he would have needed to call in the National Guard.
 

wuliheron

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A democrat complaining about being screwed by a republican, what's the world coming to?
 

Sinsear

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Good for them. Gotta start the negotiating somewhere. Who is going to come to the table with low expectations?
 

Macamus Prime

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Yup, hack away at these guys as well.

Then, we can hire corporate America to manage public safety and security.

For the low low price of $5,000 a month, you can ensure that Police INC will arrive at your door step to arrest the man who murdered your family, within a 6 to 12 month period. Our professional police employees will work hard to put the man who killed your family behind bars*.

* Not a guanrantee
 

tk149

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I think it was a tactical decision he needed the Police to handle the other Unions Protesting. Things may have been different if Police had been also calling out sick he would have needed to call in the National Guard.

I agree. Also, whether intentionally or not, he has caused a split in the police union. His bill restricting collective bargaining rights does affect some of the police. Drat, I can't find the article, but the police union leader actually said that.
 

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I agree. Also, whether intentionally or not, he has caused a split in the police union. His bill restricting collective bargaining rights does affect some of the police. Drat, I can't find the article, but the police union leader actually said that.

It doesn't affect Milwaukee police.
 

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In other news, Milwaukee teachers union drops Viagra lawsuit

Madison - The Milwaukee teachers union has dropped a lawsuit seeking to keep Viagra coverage in its health insurance plans, a spokesman for the organization confirmed Monday.

Stan Johnson, executive director for the Milwaukee Teachers' Education Association, declined to comment further on the matter, but court records reviewed by The Associated Press indicate the union, the School Board and the state labor commission agreed to dismiss the lawsuit on March 1.

Suit filed in July

The union sued in July to force the School Board to again include the erectile dysfunction drug and similar pills in its health insurance plans.

MPS first agreed to cover drugs that treat erectile dysfunction in 2002.

During negotiations with the union for its 2003-'05 contract, MPS tried to stop coverage, citing rising costs.

An arbitrator sided with the district in 2005.

The union's lawyers argued that dropping the drug coverage constituted discrimination against male employees because Milwaukee Public Schools' health plans covered medications for female sexual dysfunction.

The district countered that eliminating the drug coverage was a necessary cost-saving measure.

It also argued the move was not discriminatory because Viagra and similar drugs are mainly recreational.
 

zsdersw

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I think it was a tactical decision he needed the Police to handle the other Unions Protesting. Things may have been different if Police had been also calling out sick he would have needed to call in the National Guard.

A poor tactical decision. If eliminating collective bargaining for public employees is important enough to do (and it is), it's important enough to do for all public employees.
 

Zebo

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Fuck it walker give em what they want Pensions won't ever be paid anyway might as well make everyone happy for now.
 

tk149

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I agree. Also, whether intentionally or not, he has caused a split in the police union. His bill restricting collective bargaining rights does affect some of the police. Drat, I can't find the article, but the police union leader actually said that.

It doesn't affect Milwaukee police.

Yeah, I think the bill affected the Capitol police and university police, but I can't find any reference to it now.
 

zsdersw

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I agree. Also, whether intentionally or not, he has caused a split in the police union. His bill restricting collective bargaining rights does affect some of the police. Drat, I can't find the article, but the police union leader actually said that.

He's still leaving cities and municipalities (where two-thirds of their salary/benefit costs are for police/fire) in a jam... forced to keep collective bargaining for their police/fire depts, and getting less $ from the state in shared revenue. Boy, that's a smart plan. :rolleyes:
 

tk149

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He's still leaving cities and municipalities (where two-thirds of their salary/benefit costs are for police/fire) in a jam... forced to keep collective bargaining for their police/fire depts, and getting less $ from the state in shared revenue. Boy, that's a smart plan. :rolleyes:

Hindsight is 20/20. I think Walker was hoping for more support from the police/fire unions than he's getting now.

Do you have a link to the two-thirds number? I could not find one.
 

Darwin333

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Fuck it walker give em what they want Pensions won't ever be paid anyway might as well make everyone happy for now.

Thats what I say.

Kind of like with the deficit/debt, fuck it lets just borrow as much as we possibly can while there are still idiots out there willing to loan it to us. Kinda like maxing out your credit cards before you file bankruptcy, just on a national level.