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Millions Worldwide Rally Against Iraq War
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ShotgunSteven
Lifer
You do realize that it is generally people that hold the minority view that feel the need to protest, right?
BaliBabyDoc
Lifer
No, it's people with nothing more than a voice (or a vote) that feel the need to protest and it is abundantly clear the MAJORITY sentiment is consistent with the protesters in this case.
It is certainly conceivable that a poll of Likud Party members, the Texas GOP, or Saddam's family members (including the imprisoned, exiled, or dead) would yield a plurality for regime change.
LongCoolMother
Diamond Member
50/50
BaliBabyDoc
Lifer
When it comes to affairs with profound significance for the world everybody counts. The only way you get a US majority for war against Iraq is to frame it: irrefutable evidence that Iraq is an imminent threat to the USA or support by the UN (not a cobbled coalition). Bush has neither . . . hence the majority of Americans continue to oppose war as premised by a USA-led coalition without UN sanction.
ShotgunSteven
Lifer
The majority of Americans continue to oppose war? Got links?
BaliBabyDoc
Lifer
I wholeheartedly agree with you. Vietnam was extremely unpopular but there's no question the North was ravaging the South (we'll ignore the whole French prelude for the sake of a clean argument). Deploying Marines into Lebanon lacked popular support . . . but our intent was good . . . it's a shame we didn't stand for right . . . maybe terrorists would have abandoned such tactics against the US.
In general, Americans are quite apathetic, if not ignorant of world affairs. Hence the calculus comes down to . . . how much will it cost us and what will we get for it?
Regardless, Blair's entreaties about how humane replacing Saddam will be rings hollow considering many of his citations "lack of clean water" are sanction-induced NOT plagues of Saddam. It's part of the incessant misinformation/exaggeration coming from the Bush/Blair War Machine. Saddam sux . . . everybody knows it. But Bush/Blair edicts and dossiers that contain questionable if not blatantly false material provide ammunition to Saddam he could never acquire otherwise (credibility).
It's too late to start over but the failure of Bush/Blair to convince the public of the absolute necessity of their course is clearly a function of their methodology NOT the pacifists (Germany), obstructionists (France), ignorant/apathetic (too much of America), and certainly not the sanctity or clean living of Saddam Hussein.
BaliBabyDoc
Lifer
2/14/03 Majority favor delay for inspections
Three-quarters of Americans see war as inevitable, and two-thirds approve of war as an option. But many people continue to be deeply ambivalent about war if faced with the prospect of high casualties or a lengthy occupation of Iraq that further damages the American economy. Twenty-nine percent of respondents in the poll, which was conducted Monday through Wednesday, disapprove of taking military action against Iraq.
With major decisions of war and peace still pending, 59 percent of Americans said they believed the president should give the United Nations more time. Sixty-three percent said Washington should not act without the support of its allies, and 56 percent said Mr. Bush should wait for United Nations approval.
Three-quarters of Americans see war as inevitable, and two-thirds approve of war as an option. But many people continue to be deeply ambivalent about war if faced with the prospect of high casualties or a lengthy occupation of Iraq that further damages the American economy. Twenty-nine percent of respondents in the poll, which was conducted Monday through Wednesday, disapprove of taking military action against Iraq.
With major decisions of war and peace still pending, 59 percent of Americans said they believed the president should give the United Nations more time. Sixty-three percent said Washington should not act without the support of its allies, and 56 percent said Mr. Bush should wait for United Nations approval.
Bush & Co. don't give a rat's @ss what moderates and pacifists think. He's wanted to invade Iraq ever since the infamous "Axis of Evil" term was thrown out in the previous SOTU address, and nothing since then has changed his mind otherwise. As someone said on CNN earlier, about the only way to derail the invasion is if Colin Powell were to resign in protest.
A funny comment I also heard though is that if the U.S. eventually invades Iraq without U.N. support (which appears fairly likely), then the first regime to be toppled will be Tony Blair.
Funny to see how all these pro-Bush warmongers trying so hard to trivialize the largest rally every seen in many of the countries and the largest in the US since Vietnam. Maybe if they step out of their little circle they knows how Bush and his personal war is so unpopular outside of the US. Even in the US, most people support the war only with the blessing from UN, which is less and less likely with Bush's lack of diplomatic savvy.
Whatever warmongers said, today is a historical day for people standing up for peace. Unless you can organize something larger, and show that you and there are people out there actually dare to stand out for what you believe in, STFU.
Whatever warmongers said, today is a historical day for people standing up for peace. Unless you can organize something larger, and show that you and there are people out there actually dare to stand out for what you believe in, STFU.