Millionaire Ranks Hit New High

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Yes, Jesus words to the the rich young man were VERY clear.

If you go through the bible and limit everything that Jesus says to apply only to the person he's talking to, you won't have much left. You are ridding the Bible of any meaning by doing so. You should be ashamed. I can also guarantee you that you are rich compared to that guy. He probably had five sheep.

Everything in the Bible should be looked at in its proper context. Some of Jesus' statements are global and apply to everyone and some aren't.

And you get to pick and choose which means what. How convenient.

Well, no.

If Jesus' command to the rich young man to sell ALL his possessions and give them to the poor were global and apllied to ALL Christians, we would see evidence of it in other parts of Scripture.

On the contrary, Christians are to are to give according to each one?s ability and income as indicated by Acts 11:27-30 and 1 Corinthians 16:2.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Yes, Jesus words to the the rich young man were VERY clear.

If you go through the bible and limit everything that Jesus says to apply only to the person he's talking to, you won't have much left. You are ridding the Bible of any meaning by doing so. You should be ashamed. I can also guarantee you that you are rich compared to that guy. He probably had five sheep.

Everything in the Bible should be looked at in its proper context. Some of Jesus' statements are global and apply to everyone and some aren't.

And you get to pick and choose which means what. How convenient.

Well, no.

If Jesus' command to the rich young man to sell ALL his possessions and give them to the poor were global and apllied to ALL Christians, we would see evidence of it in other parts of Scripture.

On the contrary, Christians are to are to give according to each one?s ability and income as indicated by Acts 11:27-30 and 1 Corinthians 16:2.

Hey, nice way to make up for the total mess of different "orders" that's in the bible! I always wondered how you'd explain that.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Yes, Jesus words to the the rich young man were VERY clear.

If you go through the bible and limit everything that Jesus says to apply only to the person he's talking to, you won't have much left. You are ridding the Bible of any meaning by doing so. You should be ashamed. I can also guarantee you that you are rich compared to that guy. He probably had five sheep.

Everything in the Bible should be looked at in its proper context. Some of Jesus' statements are global and apply to everyone and some aren't.

And you get to pick and choose which means what. How convenient.

Well, no.

If Jesus' command to the rich young man to sell ALL his possessions and give them to the poor were global and apllied to ALL Christians, we would see evidence of it in other parts of Scripture.

On the contrary, Christians are to are to give according to each one?s ability and income as indicated by Acts 11:27-30 and 1 Corinthians 16:2.

Got it. It doesn't count if Jesus only says it once. He was pretty capricious that way.

Out of curiousity, how many times did Jesus have to say it before it applies to everyone?

:roll:

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Riprorin


I'm glad I live in the land of opportunity!

Indeed. Making money in this Country is fairly simple. Keeping it presents the challenge for me. Heh.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Riprorin
I'm glad I live in the land of opportunity!

Indeed. Making money in this Country is fairly simple. Keeping it presents the challenge for me. Heh.

What's with that land of opportunity thing btw?

 

[Riprorin]

Whether the statement is global or not depends on the context, not how many times he says it.

Again, if the command to the rich young man to sell all his possessions and give them to the poor were global, Acts 11:27-30 and 1 Corinthians 16:2 wouldn't instruct Christians to give according to each one?s ability and income.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Whether the statement is global or not depends on the context, not how many times he says it.

Again, if the command to the rich young man to sell all his possessions and give them to the poor were global, Acts 11:27-30 and 1 Corinthians 16:2 wouldn't instruct Christians to give according to each one?s ability and income.

"If you say so."

:roll:

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Whether the statement is global or not depends on the context, not how many times he says it.

Again, if the command to the rich young man to sell all his possessions and give them to the poor were global, Acts 11:27-30 and 1 Corinthians 16:2 wouldn't instruct Christians to give according to each one?s ability and income.

Maybe it's just based upon a pack of lies and made up stories? Ever consider that?

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Whether the statement is global or not depends on the context, not how many times he says it.

Again, if the command to the rich young man to sell all his possessions and give them to the poor were global, Acts 11:27-30 and 1 Corinthians 16:2 wouldn't instruct Christians to give according to each one?s ability and income.

"If you say so."

:roll:

You don't think that's logical?

 

[Forsythe]

I think riprorin's blocked me

 

[Riprorin]

I've considered it and I've rejected it.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Whether the statement is global or not depends on the context, not how many times he says it.

Again, if the command to the rich young man to sell all his possessions and give them to the poor were global, Acts 11:27-30 and 1 Corinthians 16:2 wouldn't instruct Christians to give according to each one?s ability and income.

"If you say so."

:roll:

You don't think that's logical?

I think it's a self-serving rationalization to soothe your conscience for hypocritcally rejecting any of Christ's teachings that inconvenience you. The Book of Life awaits you Rip. If you truly believe as you claim, that should scare the Hell into you.

 

[Riprorin]

Read John 3:16.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Read John 3:16.

Help me out. Is that of the ones that only applies to that rich guy, or does it apply to others too? I'm trying to get this situational faith figured out.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Read John 3:16.

Is there some way i can get a free bible? Don't wanna pay for one but i've never owned one. However, it's an important piece of litterature. Same for the quran.

 

[Riprorin]

John 3: 11 - 21

11I tell you the truth, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. 12I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? 13No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven?the Son of Man.[d] 14Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.

16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. 19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."

What do you think?

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
John 3: 11 - 21

11I tell you the truth, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. 12I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? 13No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven?the Son of Man.[d] 14Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.

16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. 19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."

What do you think?

Haha, that last part would make great anti-bush material.
You have to remember, you'd have to believe that some woman, actually got screwed by an arch-angel. And a buttload of other stuff, before you can start taking that story seriously.

Goodnight

 

[Riprorin]

Here's something for you to consider. There are numerous hidden messages in the Bible.

Here's one:

Genesis Chapter 5 gives a genealogy of 10 people, from Adam to Noah.

Here are the 10 names in order, and their translation from Hebrew to English:

Adam => Man
Seth => Appointed
Enosh => Mortal
Kenan => Sorrow;
Mahalalel => The Blessed God
Jared => Shall come down
Enoch => Teaching
Methuselah => His death shall bring
Lamech => The Despairing
Noah => Rest, or Comfort

Putting it all together:

"Man (is) appointed mortal sorrow; (but) the Blessed God shall come down teaching (that) His death shall bring (the) despairing rest."

Keep in mind that this was written about 1000 years before Christ.

Interesting, eh?

 

[kogase]

Rip, why have you not responded to my post?

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: kogase
Rip, why have you not responded to my post?

Rip, Jesus said it would be hard for "a rich man". Not "that rich man". He seems to be referring to rich men in general.

Yes, I believe that he is.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: kogase
Rip, why have you not responded to my post?

Rip, Jesus said it would be hard for "a rich man". Not "that rich man". He seems to be referring to rich men in general.

Yes, I believe that he is.

So, therefore, his philosophy regarding rich people in general. It will be difficult for a rich man to get into heaven, because most rich men would not be wont to give up their earthly possesions. Therefore it would seem he believes all rich men should do what he instructed this one rich man to do.

Your mentioning of the passage that instructs for every man to give according to his income is irrelevant. The passage we were talking about from the begining was regarding rich men only. That involves only one end of the income spectrum (the deep end).

And, of course, every man to give according to his income would seem to be congruous with the heavy taxation of the rich and light taxation of the poor. Something you seem to be staunchly against.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Interesting, eh?

Ummm... sure, but you are duling yourself if you think Jesus was sending a secret message that it is okay to be rich. You need to give up your wealth to walk with the Lord. He said it himself.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: kogase
Rip, why have you not responded to my post?

Rip, Jesus said it would be hard for "a rich man". Not "that rich man". He seems to be referring to rich men in general.

Yes, I believe that he is.

So, therefore, his philosophy regarding rich people in general. It will be difficult for a rich man to get into heaven, because most rich men would not be wont to give up their earthly possesions. Therefore it would seem he believes all rich men should do what he instructed this one rich man to do.

Your mentioning of the passage that instructs for every man to give according to his income is irrelevant. The passage we were talking about from the begining was regarding rich men only. That involves only one end of the income spectrum (the deep end).

And, of course, every man to give according to his income would seem to be congruous with the heavy taxation of the rich and light taxation of the poor. Something you seem to be staunchly against.

Not all rich people worship money. For some, the problem is arogrance and pride. I know rich people who claim that they are "self-made". That's basically putting yourself above God.

If you look at Acts 11:27-30 and 1 Corinthians 16:2, they relate to voluntary giving and not government taxation.

You need to look to the US Constituiton for instruction on what the government is justifiably allowed to take from its citizens.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Not all rich people worship money. For some, the problem is arogrance and pride. I know rich people who claim that they are "self-made". That's basically putting yourself above God.

Uh oh, a generalization... take it up with Jesus, he said it, not me.

If you look at Acts 11:27-30 and 1 Corinthians 16:2, they relate to voluntary giving and not government taxation.

You need to look to the US Constituiton for instruction on what the government is justifiably allowed to take from its citizens.

I said nothing of the US Constitution. Let me rephrase that then. It seems to me that the Bible is stating that it is morally correct for the rich to give more than the poor.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Interesting, eh?

Ummm... sure, but you are duling yourself if you think Jesus was sending a secret message that it is okay to be rich. You need to give up your wealth to walk with the Lord. He said it himself.

Actually this is related to this comment and not Jesus' discussion with the rich young man.

Maybe it's just based upon a pack of lies and made up stories? Ever consider that?

Here's something for you to consider. There are numerous hidden messages in the Bible.

Here's one:

Genesis Chapter 5 gives a genealogy of 10 people, from Adam to Noah.

Here are the 10 names in order, and their translation from Hebrew to English:

Adam => Man
Seth => Appointed
Enosh => Mortal
Kenan => Sorrow;
Mahalalel => The Blessed God
Jared => Shall come down
Enoch => Teaching
Methuselah => His death shall bring
Lamech => The Despairing
Noah => Rest, or Comfort

Putting it all together:

"Man (is) appointed mortal sorrow; (but) the Blessed God shall come down teaching (that) His death shall bring (the) despairing rest."

Keep in mind that this was written about 1000 years before Christ.

Interesting, eh?

Kogase, how do you explain this?