Millennials discover the reality of liberal government

[Texashiker]

Ah yes, it's the liberals fault, not the conservative corporation and businesses that have been shipping jobs overseas.

Remind me who signed GATT and NAFTA.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Remind me who signed GATT and NAFTA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement

Back row, left to right: Mexican President Carlos Salinas de Gortari, U.S. President George H. W. Bush, and Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, at the signing of the North American Free Trade Agreement in October 1992. In front are Mexican Secretary of Commerce and Industrial Development Jaime Serra Puche, United States Trade Representative Carla Hills, and Canadian Minister of International Trade Michael Wilson.

 

[Texashiker]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement

Kinda selective aren't you?

Before the negotiations were finalized, Bill Clinton came into office in the U.S. and Kim Campbell in Canada, and before the agreement became law, Jean Chrétien had taken office in Canada.

Clinton, a democrat, signed nafta and gatt.

 

[unokitty]

As much add I'd like believe this chart, I don't put much confidence in the opinion of 18-29 year old women.

When viewing statistics, a healthy scepticism is always appropriate. For this group, Pew Research indicates that 36% of the Millennials are still living at home.

Will their view change when they leave home?

Mine sure did. Will their view's change?

Time will tell...

Uno

A Pew Research Center analysis of government data published earlier this month found that 36% of the nation’s young adults ages 18 to 31 — the so-called Millennial generation — were living in their parents’ home in 2012.

 

[fskimospy]

When viewing statistics, a healthy scepticism is always appropriate. For this group, Pew Research indicates that 36% of the Millennials are still living at home.

Will their view change when they leave home?

Mine sure did. Will their view's change?

Time will tell...

Uno

Political science research shows that ideology generally stable over time. It is unlikely that most of their opinions will change.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Kinda selective aren't you?

Clinton, a democrat, signed nafta and gatt.

Let me guess, the NSA spying is NOT George Bush jr's doing, right? It's totally Obama.

NAFTA was the creation of the rethuglicans.

 

[Texashiker]

Let me guess, the NSA spying is NOT George Bush jr's doing, right? It's totally Obama.

NAFTA was the creation of the rethuglicans.

Obama promised to help the poor and middle class.

What did the middle class get? They are being forced to buy a product many of them can not afford.

Where is our affordable college education? If companies like exxon, apple, microsoft, facebook, caterpillar,,,, were forced to pay their fair share in taxes, everyone in this nation could receive a free college education.

I imagine if you taxed apple, microsoft, bill gates, warren buffet and exxon at 50%, that would be enough to pay for most of this nations higher education needs.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Erm ACA* is the biggest help those two groups have received in quite some time.

Unlike that help the Repubs gave when they made declaring bankruptcy far more difficult.

*A product they cant afford NOT to buy.

 

[werepossum]

That's not what I asked.

If America being a superpower doesn't benefit your average American why the clamour about being one?

Sorry, I did not make myself clear. I was not conceding that being a superpower conveys no advantage, merely pointing out that our version of being the world's sole superpower is designed not to benefit only America, but Western civilization and freedom in general. Contrast this with, say, Iran. If the world's sole superpower was Iran, how many small majority Christian nations do you think would exist? When World War II ended the world had two superpowers. One of those concentrated on gobbling up as many other nations as possible, both directly annexed and client states. The other reacted to that expansion by strengthening those nations at risk, generally without imposing our system of government. Admittedly some became democracies (or gained a dictator more in line with our interests) but the nations we helped stay free include democracies, kingdoms, emirates, and dictatorships. And seldom did our client states vote a straight line of American interests in the UN either.

If we aren't a superpower, someone else will be, and that someone else is unlikely to have our best interests at heart. Do you really want to live in a world where America's role is filled by Red China or a resurgent Russian Empire?

This is just babbling nonsense. You're tying yourself in knots trying to avoid admitting fault. Maybe you should have thought about that before trying to call someone else dishonest. Then again, no one has so many locks on their door as a burglar. Someone as fundamentally dishonest as yourself probably always sees that in others.

Lol. Nice rage flameout.

Rage flame out? Not at all. Just tweaking you on your pomposity. Ever since I pointed out that you are fundamentally dishonest, your entire posting to me has been "I know you are, but what am I?" If I don't accept wikipedia as the definitive authority of the meaning of a word - over the freakin' dictionary, no less - then I must believe in a left wing conspiracy rather than accepting the bald fact that anyone who wishes to do so can make or edit wikipedia entries. Every thread, every issue, every time, whatever you must believe to make the far left viewpoint the only one with the slightest substance is what you profess. I have yet to see you credit anyone who disagrees with you with having any point of any validity. It's the far left 100%, and all those who disagree are merely too ignorant or too stupid to understand. There really is no better fit for you than Kim Jung-il.

LOL rage. Why on Earth would I be in a rage about the same kind of answers I can get from any kindergartener?

Kinda selective aren't you?

Clinton, a democrat, signed nafta and gatt.

Wasting your time dude. With his ilk, everything bad comes from the right and everything good comes from the left. If something bad comes from the left it's because the right broke it. If something good comes from the right it's because the left did it and it only looks like it comes from the right. It's the flip side of arguing for atheism on a religious forum.

 

[ivwshane]

Wasting your time dude. With his ilk, everything bad comes from the right and everything good comes from the left. If something bad comes from the left it's because the right broke it. If something good comes from the right it's because the left did it and it only looks like it comes from the right. It's the flip side of arguing for atheism on a religious forum.

Lol! That's rich coming from you, the guy who swears progressives are coming to get him.

 

[werepossum]

Lol! That's rich coming from you, the guy who swears progressives are coming to get him.

? I have never sworn that progressives are coming to get me. I do believe that progressives intend to do the things they say they want to do, some of which I support but most of which I oppose. And I wonder what progressives want to do that they cannot yet tell us.

 

[fskimospy]

Lol! That's rich coming from you, the guy who swears progressives are coming to get him.

It just comes down to the fact that he would rather attribute his errors to other people's dishonesty instead of acknowledge his own stupidity.

I mean the dictionary issue was probably the most egregious example, where he declared nefarious progressives were sneakily editing Wikipedia to make him wrong, but this thread is a great example too. When challenged on the idea that civil liberties fit on the left right scale he flew into a rage about how evil I am. Weird stuff.

 

[OverVolt]

Erm ACA* is the biggest help those two groups have received in quite some time.

Unlike that help the Repubs gave when they made declaring bankruptcy far more difficult.

*A product they cant afford NOT to buy.

Yea its really been helpful for the younger generations what with the carrying the old people in the risk pool.

 

[werepossum]

It just comes down to the fact that he would rather attribute his errors to other people's dishonesty instead of acknowledge his own stupidity.

I mean the dictionary issue was probably the most egregious example, where he declared nefarious progressives were sneakily editing Wikipedia to make him wrong, but this thread is a great example too. When challenged on the idea that civil liberties fit on the left right scale he flew into a rage about how evil I am. Weird stuff.

Actually I declared that an actual respected dictionary is a better judge of what words mean than is wikipedia, which literally anyone can edit. But since that didn't work for you, you warped it into something that you felt did.

Again, no rage, just pointing out your usual level of pomposity. It's amusing, not rage inciting. If you wish to feel that civil liberties are not affected by the left right scale, it's no skin off my nose. While I consider you reasonably smart and actually informed on many things, yours is not an opinion I highly value, either way's much the same to me. I am pretty sure you're the Internet ghost of Kim Jung-il though.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Yea its really been helpful for the younger generations what with the carrying the old people in the risk pool.

Um isn't that kind of the point of insurance?

 

[werepossum]

Um isn't that kind of the point of insurance?

To an extent, certainly. If we're all to be in the same pool, it makes some sense. Seems quite overdone though. One needs a lot more income when young to start a family, buy a house, get established in life, build some security. If we drain money from the young to support people in their earning prime, either most in this generation must go without some of these things or government must step in to provide them. Surely we can all agree that government taking away wealth with one hand while giving it back with the other is a very inefficient system.

 

[Veliko]

Sorry, I did not make myself clear. I was not conceding that being a superpower conveys no advantage, merely pointing out that our version of being the world's sole superpower is designed not to benefit only America, but Western civilization and freedom in general. Contrast this with, say, Iran. If the world's sole superpower was Iran, how many small majority Christian nations do you think would exist? When World War II ended the world had two superpowers. One of those concentrated on gobbling up as many other nations as possible, both directly annexed and client states. The other reacted to that expansion by strengthening those nations at risk, generally without imposing our system of government. Admittedly some became democracies (or gained a dictator more in line with our interests) but the nations we helped stay free include democracies, kingdoms, emirates, and dictatorships. And seldom did our client states vote a straight line of American interests in the UN either.

If we aren't a superpower, someone else will be, and that someone else is unlikely to have our best interests at heart. Do you really want to live in a world where America's role is filled by Red China or a resurgent Russian Empire?

Why don't you actually try answering the question I asked:

If America being a superpower doesn't benefit your average American why the clamour about being one?

 

[hans030390]

Where is our affordable college education? If companies like exxon, apple, microsoft, facebook, caterpillar,,,, were forced to pay their fair share in taxes, everyone in this nation could receive a free college education.

I imagine if you taxed apple, microsoft, bill gates, warren buffet and exxon at 50%, that would be enough to pay for most of this nations higher education needs.

"Liberalism is destroying America! Implement Liberal policies!"

Paraphrasing, of course, but you are a very confusing and confused individual. Perhaps you should take some responsibility, be wise, and sit out for a while and gather your thoughts before speaking out against the very thing you say is bad.

I am specifically ignoring discussing the topic points because this is something you really, really need to come to terms with.

 

[werepossum]

Why don't you actually try answering the question I asked:

If America being a superpower doesn't benefit your average American why the clamour about being one?

Um - because I don't speak moron?

Sorry to be so snarky, but you are asking me to concede a well-understood truth and then justify its underpinnings. Might as well ask "If automobiles are not useful why want one?" The problem is your premise, not your question, but your premise renders your question pointless.

 

[fskimospy]

Um - because I don't speak moron?

Sorry to be so snarky, but you are asking me to concede a well-understood truth and then justify its underpinnings. Might as well ask "If automobiles are not useful why want one?" The problem is your premise, not your question, but your premise renders your question pointless.

I am quite sure that large numbers of people would dispute your "well understood truth" that the costs of empire are less than the benefits.

I happen to agree that the benefits of empire exceed the costs, but this is most certainly not a point beyond contention.

 

[werepossum]

I am quite sure that large numbers of people would dispute your "well understood truth" that the costs of empire are less than the benefits.

I happen to agree that the benefits of empire exceed the costs, but this is most certainly not a point beyond contention.

Agreed, that's debatable, but his premise was that there was no benefit.

 

[zinfamous]

Hope, change, and record numbers living at home with their parents.

Uno

ummm you might want to look at the age percentages of those living at home, and then look at the education level.

Then look at it again.

Shouldn't be too difficult.

 

[MagickMan]

Let me guess, the NSA spying is NOT George Bush jr's doing, right? It's totally Obama.

NAFTA was the creation of the rethuglicans.

It's equal parts stupid, Obama is Dubya 2.0. NAFTA was BI-PARTISAN, get that through your revisionist head, dweeb. :whiste:

 

[MagickMan]

Erm ACA* is the biggest help those two groups have received in quite some time.

Unlike that help the Repubs gave when they made declaring bankruptcy far more difficult.

*A product they cant afford NOT to buy.

Bullshit. The deductibles are too high for the policies to have hardly any benefit at all. Try again.

 

[fskimospy]

Bullshit. The deductibles are too high for the policies to have hardly any benefit at all. Try again.

What are you basing this on?