Milk thread:11-20-07 Milk prices up 75 cents since march and still climbing

dmcowen674

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11-15-2008 Milk still $2.97 1/s gal in California.

Milk down to $4 in New York City area after nearly $7 in Spring


8-10-2007

There is no shortage just like oil. Haven't heard anyone complaining there is no milk.

Just record prices.

Enjoy

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Looks like the milk shortage is getting worse by the week and prices skyrocketing so starting Milk with it's own thread.

Many farmers have said the higher prices for milk still won't help them produce more milk as there is not enough feed because of the corn crisis for ethanol.

I believe Milk rationing will begin when school starts in late August because milk production will drop a lot further between now and then.

We will most likely see $7 gallon milk prices too.

4-7-2007 Price of milk on the rise

Consumers may have to fork out some more change for a gallon of milk. In a recent Milk Market Administrator Report, the price for a gallon of milk has gone up 75 cents since March.

Laurie Solberg, director of WIC, a program that helps out women, infants and children says the increase will affect the people they help.

?We have a maximum set amount on out milk prices that the government allows us to spend and if milk prices increases above that, then they will not be able to get all the milk they qualify for it,? says Solberg.

Several factors play a role in the recent increase in price: the International Dairy Food Association says demand and short supply worldwide has caused a steady increase over the past six months, the price of feed for dairy cows, which has risen substantially and the domestic demand for dairy.
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4-1-2007 Milk prices bowl over consumers - Cereal-killing jump in cost linked to widespread demand for corn

Nate Rinfret has stopped eating cereal because he thinks the price of milk is too high.

Yet the Denver bartender may not realize how good he has it now - as national milk prices are forecast to rise 30 cents a gallon by this fall.

"It's ridiculous to pay $3.50 for a gallon of milk," said Rinfret, 31, as he purchased one at the Cherry Creek Safeway. "I feel bad for people with kids."

Blame it on the nation's hunger for corn.

With corn in high demand among ethanol fuel producers, corn prices have more than doubled from their average of $2 a bushel over the past decade.

The average retail price of whole milk could rise to $3.35 a gallon by October, up from $3.07 in January, said Ken Bailey, an agricultural economist at Penn State University who specializes in the dairy industry.
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Boy was this guy wrong. Prices went up 75 cents in March alone and not stopping.

Some "Specialist" he is. :roll:
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Some proof the milk shortage is by design too:

4-6-2007 Got milk? Not so much, any more

Hawaii dairy cows are producing 4 million pounds of milk a month or less, a fifth less than was the case a year ago, the Hawaii Department of Agriculture reports.

Production was 3.7 million pounds in February and 8.1 million pounds for the first two months of 2007 together. The February number is down 23 percent from the same month last year. The running total is down 20 percent.

Hawaii's cow herd, both dry and milking, is down to 3,700 head as a result of the closure of several dairy farms in recent years, especially on Oahu. The closure of the last dairy on Maui also was announced recently.

Most milk drunk in Hawaii now comes from California.

The output of the few remaining local dairies tends to be used for cream, ice cream and other high-end products that can cover the higher costs that local dairies face.
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More shortgage and price hikes by design:

4-5-2007 Dairy Farmers Feel Pinch As Feed, Fuel Costs Rise

Some Susquehanna Valley dairy farmers say times are tough, and they're hoping that state lawmakers can help.

Dairy farmers say the price of milk isn't keeping up with rising fuel and grain costs. They also said farmers who grow corn have found another market for their product -- ethanol producers. "With the move toward the use of biofuels and ethanol, there have been some unintended consequences. That is the food vs. fuel scenario," said Sen. Mike Folmer.

As more crops are sold for fuel, dairy farmers wonder how much more they are going to have to pay to feed their animals.

"Not all our feed comes from our farm. We purchase it. And those costs are going up due to ethanol production and biodiesel," said farmer Adam Hain.

"As processing plants go up, there's more demand for corn. And the corn may go even to a higher price," said Lebanon County Extension Director Winifred McGee. "We've gotten accustomed to relatively cheap food in the U.S., but in the future we may have to accept our food won't be quite as cheap."
 

slash196

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Yeah, milk prices are going through the roof.

Oh wait, I'm paying less for milk now than ever before. 2.69 a gallon is almost as good as it gets.
 

blackangst1

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I guess eventually it will go up, but WalMart still sells 2% at $2.69. The QT convenience store I fill up at often has a sale at $1.99.
 

KK

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Must be the global warming freaks killing off all the cows. :thumbsup:
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: KK
Must be the global warming freaks killing off all the cows. :thumbsup:

Maybe it's over population, too many people not enough cows?
 

KK

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: KK
Must be the global warming freaks killing off all the cows. :thumbsup:

Maybe it's over population, too many people not enough cows?

Well that sucks, the worlds going to come to an end. We are either going to suffocate or die from thirst, take your pick. :thumbsdown:
 

Jeff7

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I recall reading somewhere that prairie grass or switchgrass is a much more efficient method of producing ethanol than corn. Is there any truth to that? Are we not switching to that method because the corn industry doesn't want to cede a potentially insane source of income, at the expense of efficient land use?

It seems like an ideal plant to use - it's effectively "meant" to live in the flat land of the midwest, and it might not be as easily damaged as corn. Plus, if they're able to use the entire plant for ethanol production, rather than only the seeds of corn plants, that too seems more efficient.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: Jeff7
I recall reading somewhere that prarie grass or switchgrass is a much more efficient method of producing ethanol than corn. Is there any truth to that? Are we not switching to that method because the corn industry doesn't want to cede a potentially insane source of income, at the expense of efficient land use?

/poke

This is about milk, not ethonol lol
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
/poke

This is about milk, not ethonol lol
One affects the other. If corn's most efficient use is livestock feed, it should be devoted to that, and more efficient means of ethanol production, such as switchgrass, used instead. Result: more ethanol production and lower milk prices. It seems kind of relevant.

 

JD50

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I just wanted to give you guys an update, my wife just got home from the grocery store, and I was shocked at the price of milk and eggs. After all the talk of milk and egg rationing, I was expecting higher prices, but wow, I was really shocked at what I saw on the receipt. Milk was on sale, usually about $3.30 a gallon, but it was on sale 2 for $5.00 ($2.50 a gallon), eggs were on sale as well, even with everyone buying eggs for easter, they were still on sale.

Looks like Dave is FOS, I know, shocker right?
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Jeff7
I recall reading somewhere that prarie grass or switchgrass is a much more efficient method of producing ethanol than corn. Is there any truth to that? Are we not switching to that method because the corn industry doesn't want to cede a potentially insane source of income, at the expense of efficient land use?

/poke

This is about milk, not ethonol lol

Dave's paranoia aside, as another poster mentioned, one affects the other. While the biggest impact the switch to ethanol caused was to the price of gas, it has increased everything that depends on corn. It may only be a few cents, but overall, it does add up. We can't switch from corn to cellulosic ethanol soon enough.
 

Termagant

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Originally posted by: Jeff7
I recall reading somewhere that prairie grass or switchgrass is a much more efficient method of producing ethanol than corn. Is there any truth to that? Are we not switching to that method because the corn industry doesn't want to cede a potentially insane source of income, at the expense of efficient land use?

It seems like an ideal plant to use - it's effectively "meant" to live in the flat land of the midwest, and it might not be as easily damaged as corn. Plus, if they're able to use the entire plant for ethanol production, rather than only the seeds of corn plants, that too seems more efficient.

Switchgrass and some other grasses provide greater efficiency in producing ethanol, but they are deep root plants which draw much more nutrients from the soil after one generation than corn. So when you factor in the level of maintenance required for the fields it may not be much better than corn. Sugar cane looks to be the best choice, provided a climate can grow it.
 

ericlp

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Milk can go up to 20 bucks a gallon. I could care less. I prefer to drink water... Cleaner... No antibiotics or other weird things in water....
 

jman19

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Originally posted by: ericlp
Milk can go up to 20 bucks a gallon. I could care less. I prefer to drink water... Cleaner... No antibiotics or other weird things in water....

You could care less, which means you care to some degree, right? :roll:

You can get milk from cows that haven't been treated with antibiotics you know.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Originally posted by: ericlp
Milk can go up to 20 bucks a gallon. I could care less. I prefer to drink water... Cleaner... No antibiotics or other weird things in water....

Two adults and two kids . . . we run through 3 gallons a week . . . all skim . . . all bGH-free. I also buy a half gallon for my office fridge (so the kids have something to drink on the way home). I've paid as much as 2.79 for a half gallon at the grocery store (Harris Teeter, Food Lion). And that's from milk that's produced 25 miles from the store!

While Dave can be a little out there from time to time . . . OK who am I kidding . . . sometimes Dave is looney tunes. Regardless, Dave is spot on about milk inflation. It's a shame given that milk is one of the few drinks with calories that's actually good for kids (and adults).
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: ericlp
Milk can go up to 20 bucks a gallon. I could care less. I prefer to drink water... Cleaner... No antibiotics or other weird things in water....

Lead, aluminum, chlorine, bacteria, insecticides...

Mmm... water! :laugh:
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: ericlp
Milk can go up to 20 bucks a gallon. I could care less. I prefer to drink water... Cleaner... No antibiotics or other weird things in water....

Lead, aluminum, chlorine, bacteria, insecticides...

Mmm... water! :laugh:

You forgot fluoxetine, norfluoxetine, estrogens . . .

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1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Termagant
Originally posted by: Jeff7
I recall reading somewhere that prairie grass or switchgrass is a much more efficient method of producing ethanol than corn. Is there any truth to that? Are we not switching to that method because the corn industry doesn't want to cede a potentially insane source of income, at the expense of efficient land use?

It seems like an ideal plant to use - it's effectively "meant" to live in the flat land of the midwest, and it might not be as easily damaged as corn. Plus, if they're able to use the entire plant for ethanol production, rather than only the seeds of corn plants, that too seems more efficient.

Switchgrass and some other grasses provide greater efficiency in producing ethanol, but they are deep root plants which draw much more nutrients from the soil after one generation than corn. So when you factor in the level of maintenance required for the fields it may not be much better than corn. Sugar cane looks to be the best choice, provided a climate can grow it.

Gee guys, cows eat grass too, you suppose making ethanol out of grass is going to affect prices of something, somehow?

Land used to produce stock for ethanol is still land not producing food stuffs for humans and the animals humnas eat. When you start making ethanol out of grass, your going to be complaining about the high price of beef..... LOL, I mean the "higher" cost of beef
 

nageov3t

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YANEDT: yet another never-ending dave thread? :confused: what's the point? do you really anticipate a flood of milk-related postings?
 

jackschmittusa

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Price of milk at my neighborhood convince store = $!.99. Same price every day for at least 2 years. Big grocery stores went from $3.29 to $3.69 maybe a year ago, with the occasional sale price of $2.00.
 

Corbett

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DRIVE FOR FIVE!

errr....

Milk for five!

Darn republicans!

funny....I just paid $1.88 per gallon the other day. Oh well Dave. Keep dreaming. The sky is falling you know!
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Where do you people live that you can get a gallon of milk for 1.99? I know there are regional differences in milk prices but I find these other prices incredible. I don't remember the last time gasoline cost more than milk and I'm not that old. Today my wife paid 3.99 per gallon.