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A lot of right wingers have tapped out here as Trumpism kept getting trumpier and trumpier. Personally I would rather they stick around rather than ah heck off(what? I cant type "b u g g e r - o f f" ?), I would have no problem sharing a beer and looking forward instead of whatever-past bickering there may be.

- Now we just have the russobots. :(
My point being, the picture is more likely to be that person. They were extremely angry about it and said that people trying to immigrate through/from Mexico should be killed.
 
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The hilarious thing is that you claim to value law and order while you cheer on a group illegally detaining migrants, illegally impersonating law enforcement and with a leader who broke the law for gun ownership by a felon. Seems you're more interested in who's breaking the law than the actual law.
I don't think that's true. He clearly doesn't even know the law, so he's basing it solely on what he wants the law to be.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I'm the one speaking from principle. There is nothing wrong with wanting borders that are secure and to vet people that are looking to set up life in this country. This has absolutely nothing to do with race or skin color, though you'll manufacture that part as needed for your narrative.
Funny thing I don't believe I've made a single accusation of racism against you in this matter. Naturally, you shouldn't take my word for it, you and everyone who cares to know do a search. I'm one speaking on principle against authoritarians. This immigration policy is an aspect of people of that ilk.

Find where I say in effect "Slow is a racist who wants to keep brown people out". Your actual motivations are obscure in origin but see what you support a criminal you call a hero. No, that should be plural as you back those who commit crimes and back them. You standard is entirely partisan, but ultimately that's irrelevant.
 
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SlowSpyder

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So you’re just making things up, gotcha.

Thank you for conceding my point. Someone clearly does have a problem with legal immigration and that person is Trump.



That has nothing to do with legal immigration and there is no reference as to whether their crossings are legal or not.

I didn't concede anything, I said that there can be and I'm sure there are very good logical reasons to limit immigration. The unemployment rate and economy are doing great, we cannot be the Democrat dream of a welfare state with wide open borders, it isn't realistic or sustainable. My buddy becoming a citizen is a skilled worker that loves this country. He is exactly what we need.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I didn't concede anything, I said that there can be and I'm sure there are very good logical reasons to limit immigration. The unemployment rate and economy are doing great, we cannot be the Democrat dream of a welfare state with wide open borders, it isn't realistic or sustainable.
Where is that racism claim again?
 

Hayabusa Rider

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What racism? They person that is becoming a citizen, the event I'm going to Tuesday, is very dark skinned in fact. You have no idea what you're talking about.
I'm the one speaking from principle. There is nothing wrong with wanting borders that are secure and to vet people that are looking to set up life in this country. This has absolutely nothing to do with race or skin color, though you'll manufacture that part as needed for your narrative.
 

HomerJS

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Wonder if that same militia will defend land owners along the border when Trump tries to confiscate their land?
 

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Trump is confiscating land? Do tell.
It's not like Trump's Wall will hover above the ground. He'll exercise eminent domain over land held by families since the early 1800's to give conservatives 1000 miles away a false sense of something. God knows what, but something.
 

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It's not like Trump's Wall will hover above the ground. He'll exercise eminent domain over land held by families since the early 1800's to give conservatives 1000 miles away a false sense of something. God knows what, but something.

So Trump won't be confiscating anything, but the government will take private land, pay far price for it, and use that land for in a social manner better for all of us. Isn't this what you socialist Democrats want?
 

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So Trump won't be confiscating anything, but the government will take private land, pay far price for it, and use that land for in a social manner better for all of us. Isn't this what you socialist Democrats want?
I love the immediate self-contradiction here. The government "won't be confiscating anything," you claim, but in the very next sentence you talk about taking land -- not asking for it, taking it. That's confiscation, and paying someone for their loss doesn't change that fact.

Tell me what happens if someone refuses to give up their land? Will Trump politely skip that segment of the wall and move on? No, of course not. He'll have any property owners thrown in prison if they refuse. If it wasn't confiscation, the wall wouldn't even be possible because it'd only take a few private owners to create significant gaps.
 

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I love the immediate self-contradiction here. The government "won't be confiscating anything," you claim, but in the very next sentence you talk about taking land -- not asking for it, taking it. That's confiscation, and paying someone for their loss doesn't change that fact.

Tell me what happens if someone refuses to give up their land? Will Trump politely skip that segment of the wall and move on? No, of course not. He'll have any property owners thrown in prison if they refuse. If it wasn't confiscation, the wall wouldn't even be possible because it'd only take a few private owners to create significant gaps.

The claim was that "Trump was confiscating land." As in Trump was taking land personally, he exaggerates or misrepresents things all the time.
 

Jhhnn

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So Trump won't be confiscating anything, but the government will take private land, pay far price for it, and use that land for in a social manner better for all of us. Isn't this what you socialist Democrats want?
The "better for all of us" part is bullshit, as is the characterization of refugees as "invaders". It's fucking shameful is what it is.

The pressure on our border is a symptom of a much deeper problem in Central America, very much a part of our sphere of influence. Fix that & the problem ceases to exist.

Nah. Fuck 'em. Cut aid. Impose sanctions. Beat 'em into submission. Fucking shit hole countries, anyway. Build the Wall as if that will really change anything at all.
 
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So Trump won't be confiscating anything, but the government will take private land, pay far price for it, and use that land for in a social manner better for all of us. Isn't this what you socialist Democrats want?
No, because we're not socialists. Do you know what capitalism was called before Marx coined that term in Das Kapital?

Liberalism
 
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The claim was that "Trump was confiscating land." As in Trump was taking land personally, he exaggerates or misrepresents things all the time.
It seems like you're playing semantic games here. It's Trump's wall, and if the government confiscates property to help him fulfill his plans, then it's Trump confiscating property using the means at his disposal.
 

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I didn't concede anything, I said that there can be and I'm sure there are very good logical reasons to limit immigration.
Oh so you don’t know what the reasons are but you’re sure they are good.

This is exactly the sort of irrational, emotion based reasoning I’m talking about.

The unemployment rate and economy are doing great, we cannot be the Democrat dream of a welfare state with wide open borders, it isn't realistic or sustainable. My buddy becoming a citizen is a skilled worker that loves this country. He is exactly what we need.
You might want to tell Trump that because his policies have made it harder for highly skilled immigrants to stay here.

https://www.businessinsider.com/h1b-visa-foreign-worker-says-trump-immigration-crackdown-doomed-american-dream-2019-3

Experts and industry leaders told INSIDER the Trump administration's H-1B crackdown is harming employers and the talent they try to hire, and isn't protecting American workers.
What a disaster this guy is on every level.
 

fskimospy

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The claim was that "Trump was confiscating land." As in Trump was taking land personally, he exaggerates or misrepresents things all the time.
Yes, Trump is enacting policies that will confiscate this land, so he’s the one doing it. Nobody ever said he was keeping it personally, you made that part up.

Conservatives used to be against the government confiscating people’s land. How times change.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Yes, Trump is enacting policies that will confiscate this land, so he’s the one doing it. Nobody ever said he was keeping it personally, you made that part up.

Conservatives used to be against the government confiscating people’s land. How times change.
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