Military wants to shut down Burger King in Afghanistan?

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20100407/wl_csm/292986

No more Burger King on Afghanistan base? Soldiers grumble.

Kandahar Air Base, Afghanistan – The lines outside the burger and pizza joints dotting the “Boardwalk” at Kandahar Air Base remain defiantly long, despite recent reports that it may be shut down.

The air base in southern Afghanistan is NATO’s largest in the country and the main landing spot of the US troop surge. Its entertainment district – a square kilometer of fast food franchises, cafes, electronic stories, basketball courts, the occasional live rock concert, and a Thai massage parlor until it was shut down by authorities – serves some 25,000 military personnel and contractors on the outskirts of Kandahar.

“I think it’ll bring down morale,” says Sgt. Michael Masterton, a US soldier on leave from one of the frontline bases in Kandahar’s hinterland as he bites into a cheeseburger and fries at the Mamma Mia Pizzeria, an outpost of Italiana and red-and-white-checked tablecloths.

“For those of us who come down from the FOBs [forward operating bases] it gives us something to do.”

“Are people back home really upset over us being able to have a burger?” asks Col. Don Groves, head of operations at Kandahar Airport, shaking his head in disbelief. “Do they really consider that we have it easy in this war zone?

Essential goods?The Boardwalk came under scrutiny last year, when the top US commander in Afghanistan, the famously spartan Gen. Stanley McChrystal, dispatched a team here to investigate if it was essential for maintaining troop morale or if it was hampering shipments of fighting supplies such as Humvees and M-4 rifles.

The need for war materiel is set to grow in coming months, with some 5,000 additional troops and support staff due to arrive this summer to help carry out a major military campaign in Kandahar Province.

“This is a warzone, not an amusement park,” wrote Command Sgt. Maj. Michael Hall on a NATO blog posting in February.

“Supplying nonessential luxuries to big bases like Bagram and Kandahar makes it harder to get essential items to combat outposts and forward operating bases, where troops who are in the fight each day need resupply with ammunition, food and water.”

Fast food joints at risk include Burger King, Pizza Hut, and Dairy Queen, although burgers and such will still be available at military canteens.

Not just burgers The Boardwalk’s nightly patrons and workers, however, see additional benefits of the entertainment center.

With troops from so many countries, the Boardwalk is “a gathering place where you get to meet people from other nationalities,” says Donna Perry, a Canadian contractor who enjoys watching hockey games in the evening as she munches on pizza.

When it comes to food, though, she admits, there’s little cross-cultural experimentation. At the Canadian doughnut franchise where she works, Tim Horton’s, British soldiers overwhelmingly opt for the Toffee Coffee while the French flock to the French Vanilla flavorings, she says.

The Boardwalk offers a taste of local culture, too. Small shops, which will not be closed, sell Afghan memorabilia such as “war carpets” woven with fighter-jet and Kalashnikov patterns. “Business is good. The Boardwalk’s a very nice place,” says Wali Jan, a salesman at the Afghan Toys and Gift Shop.

An Indian employee at the metal container doubling as a Burger King temporarily stops taking orders when told the place might shut down. “I came all the way from India for this job,” he says, disconsolate. “I have no idea what I would do if the order came to shut us down.”

With its scent of greasy fries and burger meat, the Boardwalk may serve another vital purpose: covering up, when the winds are right, the smell of the nearby “Poo Pond” half a mile away where the base’s human waste is disposed.

“The smell, you become used to it quite quickly,” says one British soldier who did not want to give his name
 

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techs;29649927 “I think it’ll bring down morale said:
Of course it will, WTF is wrong with people? Closing down thai massage parlor's and shit, how do you expect the soldiers to perform?
 

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Of course it will, WTF is wrong with people? Closing down thai massage parlor's and shit, how do you expect the soldiers to perform?

Yeah, seriously, closig down the massage parlor was probably worse for soldiers moral than closing the Burger King, but you gotta give our guys and gals SOMETHING.
Somehow we managed to give our soldiers a cold Coke virtually everywhere our troops went in WW2. I think giving them a Whopper at a fixed military base would be pretty easy.
I wonder if they have the one dollar double cheeseburger over there?
 

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Yeah, seriously, closig down the massage parlor was probably worse for soldiers moral than closing the Burger King, but you gotta give our guys and gals SOMETHING.
Somehow we managed to give our soldiers a cold Coke virtually everywhere our troops went in WW2. I think giving them a Whopper at a fixed military base would be pretty easy.
I wonder if they have the one dollar double cheeseburger over there?

Its like they are doing it for no reason too
 

K1052

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Morale is just as important as ammunition. They closed down the blowjob shop so let them have their fast food.
 

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Morale is just as important as ammunition. They closed down the blowjob shop so let them have their fast food.
I have a great idea! Combine the two. You can get a blowjob at the drive thru window! And for only a buck!
 

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Morale is just as important as ammunition. They closed down the blowjob shop so let them have their fast food.

Make a deal, you can close down our BK if you give us another massage parlor
 

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Essential goods?The Boardwalk came under scrutiny last year, when the top US commander in Afghanistan, the famously spartan Gen. Stanley McChrystal, dispatched a team here to investigate if it was essential for maintaining troop morale or if it was hampering shipments of fighting supplies such as Humvees and M-4 rifles.

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“Supplying nonessential luxuries to big bases like Bagram and Kandahar makes it harder to get essential items to combat outposts and forward operating bases, where troops who are in the fight each day need resupply with ammunition, food and water.”
I'd be curious to see this quantified. It sounds like this guy might just be a dick who forgot what it's like to be deployed.
 

meltdown75

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Canadian dollar is higher though right? I think 3.99 us is what it is here everyday, which still makes it cheaper i suppose
in the end it is for sure. with tax i think it comes to $4.60 or something. 15% tax FTL
 

K1052

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I'd be curious to see this quantified. It sounds like this guy might just be a dick who forgot what it's like to be deployed.

No that's just McChrystal's style., He's one of those officers that doesn't care for anything remotely "frivolous". Though I suspect he's been smart enough to let this go in the name of keeping up morale as long as it doesn't attract a lot of attention.
 

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They'll bring back these "non-essential" items once they see the spikes in suicides. 6 months is a long time to be staring at dirt and eating chow. Some of our guys are even over there for full 365 rotations!

This isn't just for Kandahar, but the entire region.

Hmm no booze, no poon (even if your married to her!), no fast food... lets see how they can screw our deployed personnel more. I even hear they're taking away the first run movie theater they have over there.

Yes we're at war, but if it takes one extra C140 flight loaded with "non-essentials" to remind our soldiers what they're fighting for, then so be it I say!
 
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I'd be curious to see this quantified. It sounds like this guy might just be a dick who forgot what it's like to be deployed.

Ya I find what he's saying very hard to believe.

The bottleneck certainly isnt into the airbases, which is why all the foo-foo shit like BK's are there. The real bottleneck is getting supplies from these air bases up to all the small FOB's around the country, which, most of the time, is only doable via truck convoy.
 

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Personally, I like it. I never saw a Burger King or anything else in Iraq, until my last week in the country. When we came into Al Asad (or as it was called Camp Cupcake) right before we came home. Did I get one? Sure, a double whopper with cheese. And it was amazing after eating MRE's forever. The fact is though, at the bigger bases, the chow hall is very good. There is a lot of variety, desserts, cokes, etc. And at the bigger bases is only where BK and such are. There was even "Surf N' Turf" night every Wednesday. With shrimp, crab, lobster and steak. Ill take that over a whopper any day. Trust me, they chow halls are just fine.

I leave this month for Afghan, and I dont want any fast food joints there. Mainly because I see fobbits getting fat over them, and dont think they should get paid the same as me for staying on a large base, but whatever.

I can see it being a moral booster for people who come in from COBs or FOBs, because they dont get good chow all the time. But the people who stay at a large base, I have zero compassion for about this.
 

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Personally, I like it. I never saw a Burger King or anything else in Iraq, until my last week in the country. When we came into Al Asad (or as it was called Camp Cupcake) right before we came home. Did I get one? Sure, a double whopper with cheese. And it was amazing after eating MRE's forever. The fact is though, at the bigger bases, the chow hall is very good. There is a lot of variety, desserts, cokes, etc. And at the bigger bases is only where BK and such are. There was even "Surf N' Turf" night every Wednesday. With shrimp, crab, lobster and steak. Ill take that over a whopper any day. Trust me, they chow halls are just fine.

I leave this month for Afghan, and I dont want any fast food joints there. Mainly because I see fobbits getting fat over them, and dont think they should get paid the same as me for staying on a large base, but whatever.

I can see it being a moral booster for people who come in from COBs or FOBs, because they dont get good chow all the time. But the people who stay at a large base, I have zero compassion for about this.

This was my thinking exactly.
 

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What about the people that like that stuff more then the steak, shrimp, crab and lobster?
 

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What about the people that like that stuff more then the steak, shrimp, crab and lobster?

Being on a military base isn't about getting what you prefer. I can understand the morale boost for soldiers returning from FOBs, etc. but I think the brass is arguing against using military resources to supply a non-essential good for civilian contractors and base personnel (the most likely primary users of the BK). I can understand this argument. However, I can see it the other way as well.